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[Piratis]

... their wrong acts?

Personally I never felt like defending the actions of the coup or EOKA-B and I never excused the crimes against innocent TCs. Some time ago I watched a documentary about how Alexander the great destroyed Persepolis. Again, I didn't feel like defending that barbarian act of our history. In general, If I history shows that GCs or Greeks have done something wrong, I simply accept this fact.

On the other hand, I have seen very very very few Turks or TCs admitting any of their current or past crimes and mistakes. They are denying them or trying to excuse them. And I am not talking just about Cyprus, but about Armenians, Kurds and all the others that suffered under the Turks at times.

Why is that?

Are the Turks feeling that if they admit any of their crimes that would lead to concessions from their side?

Are they just educated in that way, never to admit that they did anything wrong?

Are they just trying to provoke others by refusing their crimes against them?

Why do you think most Turks and TCs act in that way?

[kafenes]

Piratis wrote:

Why do you think most Turks and TCs act in that way?

Piratis, I don't think you should include TCs. The ideas and beliefs of the few we have here on the forum don't even represent a fraction of Turkish Cypriot mentality. The average TC would love to open up and voice there true opinion but unfortunately they are too scared. I feel sorry for them for living a life in fear.

[Piratis]

Kafenes, are you saying that TCs are afraid to anynimously express their opinion online?

I would agree with you if in order to say their opinion it was required from them to revel their identity. But since this is not required I don't think that their true voice is restricted in any way. I believe that what we hear in this forum does in fact represent the majority of TCs.

[Get Real!]

Piratis,

Everyone knows that the protagonists of the inter-communal violence, whereby a mere 500 people died from each side over a period 15 odd years, were a very small number of trouble makers from both sides (EOKA + TMT) so there is no excuse whatsoever for anyone to use those events to justify atrocities of a mass scale as conducted by Turkey in July 1974, and the internationally condemned Turkish violations against Cyprus that continue to this day.

Today the Turkish Cypriots once again find themselves in the awkward position of siding with the enemy of Cyprus; the first time being when they foolishly sided with the British during the struggle against British colonialism. The Turkish Cypriots could have remained neutral but chose to follow Ankara’s disastrous orders once again!

The Turkish Cypriot debacle goes back even further in the early 1920’s when they had the choice of moving to Turkey and preserving their Turkish nationality under the Treaty of Lausanne and many did. Those that stayed behind in Cyprus willfully signed away their Turkish nationality and became British Cypriots in an effort by the British to put an end to this problematic minority once and for all.

Today we are in a position to know that unfortunately the Turkish Cypriot’s signature proved unworthy of the paper it was written on.

Regards, GR.

[zan]

Piratis wrote:

Why do you think most Turks and TCs act in that way?

Piratis, I don't think you should include TCs. The ideas and beliefs of the few we have here on the forum don't even represent a fraction of Turkish Cypriot mentality. The average TC would love to open up and voice there true opinion but unfortunately they are too scared. I feel sorry for them for living a life in fear.

How many voted YES to the Annan Plan....Against Turkey and against Denktas???????????Oh ye! LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kafenes]

And how many would dare vote no??????????? Not too many!!!!!!!!!
And you will tell me, how would anyone know who voted what???? If my life was depending on it, I would not risk to find out how would anyone know.

[zan]

And how many would dare vote no??????????? Not too many!!!!!!!!!
And you will tell me, how would anyone know who voted what???? If my life was depending on it, I would not risk to find out how would anyone know.

I think I must be getting tired because this does not make sense to me. Sorry mate I might have got you wrong but the point was that Turkey and Denktas wanted a no vote but the TCs went agianst that and voted yes. By your reconing the majority should have voted no because of fear from Turkey........?

[kafenes]

zan wrote:

but the point was that Turkey and Denktas wanted a no vote but the TCs went agianst that and voted yes.

Is that a point??? Did they try and encourage people to vote no??? or did they come up with this wanting 'no' after the voting.

By your reconing the majority should have voted no because of fear from Turkey........?

No, you understood well what I meant.

[Piratis]

Turkey wanted a "no" vote from TC? Are you dreaming? Turkey even replaced Denctash with Talat to get a "yes" vote from TCs. The leader of TCs had been the "president" of the pseudo state, and when Turkey decided the leader became the "prime minister" so TCs would be encouraged to vote "yes" in the Annan partition plan.

[wolf]

... their wrong acts?

Personally I never felt like defending the actions of the coup or EOKA-B and I never excused the crimes against innocent TCs. Some time ago I watched a documentary about how Alexander the great destroyed Persepolis. Again, I didn't feel like defending that barbarian act of our history. In general, If I history shows that GCs or Greeks have done something wrong, I simply accept this fact.

On the other hand, I have seen very very very few Turks or TCs admitting any of their current or past crimes and mistakes. They are denying them or trying to excuse them. And I am not talking just about Cyprus, but about Armenians, Kurds and all the others that suffered under the Turks at times.

Why is that?

Are the Turks feeling that if they admit any of their crimes that would lead to concessions from their side?

Are they just educated in that way, never to admit that they did anything wrong?

Are they just trying to provoke others by refusing their crimes against them?

Why do you think most Turks and TCs act in that way?

Re piratis you should ask this Q to the Turks not TC`s. Why don`t you go on the Turkey`s forum sides and talk to them