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[Diogenes]

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

I believe that the Church should stay OUT of our political affairs. They caused, and cause, nothing but problems. Remeber, for example, Archbishop's Christodoulos close connection with the Junta dictatorship (and everything that it entailed for Cyprus).

The Church is a biased institution, and after all it does NOT express the opinion of every Greek (whether from Greece or Cyprus).

What do you think?

[cypezokyli]

i agree

[Nikephoros]

Most of the Greeks in general (from Cyprus, Greece, etc) are among the most culturally corrupted people in the world. Unfortunately, they lost connection with their TRUE history, heritage and identity. A fake, foreign, given religion (Christianity), was imposed on them, and changed their mentality and character.
Just think of this: Most Greeks celebrate the Three Hierarchs Day on Jan. 30th (who, by the way they were all Anti-Greek), but don't celebrate, honor the Thermopylae Day in Sept. 18th. Most of them have NO clue when it occurred. That's a shame...Keep in mind, that that's the same Church that officially condemned the Revolution against the Turks in the 1821 !!

From the Do You Hate Greece thread.

So now in addition to dealing with Neo-Cypriots, Turks, Turkish Cypriots, we also have to deal with lunatic pagan Greeks. Buckle down.

I am sure only he can tell us ignorants about our real hidden pagan history. Enemies of the Greek people unite; welcome to Cyprus Forum!

[GorillaGal]

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

I believe that the Church should stay OUT of our political affairs. They caused, and cause, nothing but problems. Remeber, for example, Archbishop's Christodoulos close connection with the Junta dictatorship (and everything that it entailed for Cyprus).

The Church is a biased institution, and after all it does NOT express the opinion of every Greek (whether from Greece or Cyprus).

What do you think?

i totally agree with seperation of church and state. but the state also does not express the opinion of every greek either....

[miltiades]

It should most definitely stay out of politics as well as refrain from issuing moral guidance based on 14th century standards. Listening to a Cypriot radio recently some bearded benevolent idiot referred to people not married in church as sinners. What bullocks. I married in a registry office and five years later I had a quick Church wedding only because the priest would not baptize my first born child unless I was first married . On discovering that my wife was not baptized he insisted that she too would have to be christened , so 2 christenings and a wedding on the same day , cost me , all those years back 100 quid.

[Sotos]

oops! I saw the title "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE" and I voted YES meaning yes to the separation but then I saw the poll question

[humanist]

Definetely not ............ and a large portion of the land the church owns in the north ought to be earmarked to re-house turkish speaking cypriots currently occurying refugee properties, in a future solution. And I support that not all Turkish speaking cypriots would want to return to their villages in the south, many have suffered in the hands of Greek speaking cypriots.

[Diogenes]

Thank you all for you replies so far...

- Dear Nikephoros, i am neither a lunatic nor a pagan. I do NOT have a religion, and i do NOT believe in a god or gods, but it is more than certain
to me that paganism is way more interesting religion than christianity, and polytheism is a more reasonable alternative than monotheism for those who want to believe. Paganism is also less "psychotic", and most importantly, it is
a Greek religion, where christianity is NOT. Also, just look what the Greeks produced as pagans, and what they produced as christians.

- Dear GorillaGal , you point is very on target. I agree, "the state does NOT express the opinion of every greek either". The thing, though, is that the philosophy, policies, laws, character, priorities, etc, of a state could change. It's up to us. The state itself supports institutions, and laws, that allow us to do that (elections, courts, debates, SCIENCE, etc), where the church does NOT.

- Dear Miltiades, I am sorry to hear about your story. But why did you do a christian wedding, since you didn't want one? Why did you played along with their SICK ideolohy who as you said treats "people not married in church as sinners" ? And what's the need, really, in baptizing the children? Did you know that "baby-baptism" is not even part of the Bible? Where did the church get that from, and why do they do it? Isn't the most SICK thing in the world to think that every innocent little baby is born as a sinner? In my opinion, "baby-baptism" is a CRIME...
I also totally agree with you. The church's policies and ethics are still based on standards from the Middle Ages. That's what happens when you demonize science and not keeping up with the rest of the world. Imagine, many christians even today still believe that the earth was created 5,000 years ago, even though geologists, and geoscientists, established that this is ridiculous.

- Dear Sotos, no worries. Thanks for clarifying...



Now, here is another question to all of you:

Why should the church even be allowed to participate in state affairs, considering the fact that they do NOT pay taxes (or serve in the army)?
All members of the state pay taxes, serve in the army, etc, but they don't. Why should they, then, have a say in affairs that they are not involved?
Or why should they have a say in education, for example, since they themselves oppose to a main body of scientific knowledge which comes contrary to their dogmas (eg. no evidence of a creator, prayer does not work, evolution is a fact,etc)?

What do you think?

[humanist]

Dear Diogenes ..... I'll sign any petition posing the same questions to the RoC government.

[Piratis]

The answer to your questions is that Church can affect several 1000s of people and therefore no political party wants the church against them.

Beyond that I believe it is up to each citizen to demand his own rights. In school I used to have constant fights with the religion teachers, but I was alone in a class of 30 to do that. Not an easy task.