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[iceman]

Sandallar,Atlılar & Muarataga village massacres happened on 14 August 1974..(After the second phase stated)

[TOTIS MILIOTIS]

The Greek Cypriot Communist party published the confessions of a Greek Cypriot on 20 July 1998. The Greek Cypriot, Nikos Yenya, who lives in London told "Haravgi" that as a soldier he was based at Kyrenia in the north and when they were running away from the Turkish army in 1974, his unit went through the Turkish Cypriot villages of Sandallar and Murataga. Yenya said :

"We went through Sandallari and Marata, what I have seen there was so horrific that I will never forget it as long as I live.

ACTUALLY I WAS PERSONALLY IN A FIELD ABOUT 2KM OUT OF SANDALARIS ,THE TURKKISH VILLAGE THAT DAY.

IT WAS NIGHT AFTER 2200HRS WHEN THEY SEND ME TO THE FIRST HOUSE OF GREEK VILLAGE NEARBY TO BRING FRESH WATER .

GETTING OUT OF THIS GREEK HOUSE I HEART THE NOICE A TRUCK COMING FROM SANDALARIS/ALOA TOWARDS FAMAGUSTA WITH VERY STRONG LIGHTS . I HIDE MYSELF BECAUSE I DID NOT NOW WHETHER THE TRUCK WAS A GREEK OR TURKISH (WE DID NOT HAVE INFO - I WAS TO YOUNG TO KNOW WHERE TURKISH TROOPS WERE MOVING)

THE TRUCK PASSED FEW METERS FARAWAY FROM ME AND THEN I SAW THE GREEK FLAG ON IT. THE TRUCK WAS FULL OF CIVILIANS ACCOMPANIED BY GREEK SOLDIERS.

I DO NOT REMEMBER FOR SURE BUT IT WAS THE 2ND OR 3RD DAY AFTER THE INVASION TOOK PLACE

ABOVE IS THE REAL STORY ABOUT THE TIME THE CRIME EFFECTED IN ALOA AND SANDALARIS

BRGDS

[bigOz]

The Greek Cypriot Communist party published the confessions of a Greek Cypriot on 20 July 1998. The Greek Cypriot, Nikos Yenya, who lives in London told "Haravgi" that as a soldier he was based at Kyrenia in the north and when they were running away from the Turkish army in 1974, his unit went through the Turkish Cypriot villages of Sandallar and Murataga. Yenya said :

"We went through Sandallari and Marata, what I have seen there was so horrific that I will never forget it as long as I live.

ACTUALLY I WAS PERSONALLY IN A FIELD ABOUT 2KM OUT OF SANDALARIS ,THE TURKKISH VILLAGE THAT DAY.

IT WAS NIGHT AFTER 2200HRS WHEN THEY SEND ME TO THE FIRST HOUSE OF GREEK VILLAGE NEARBY TO BRING FRESH WATER .

GETTING OUT OF THIS GREEK HOUSE I HEART THE NOICE A TRUCK COMING FROM SANDALARIS/ALOA TOWARDS FAMAGUSTA WITH VERY STRONG LIGHTS . I HIDE MYSELF BECAUSE I DID NOT NOW WHETHER THE TRUCK WAS A GREEK OR TURKISH (WE DID NOT HAVE INFO - I WAS TO YOUNG TO KNOW WHERE TURKISH TROOPS WERE MOVING)

THE TRUCK PASSED FEW METERS FARAWAY FROM ME AND THEN I SAW THE GREEK FLAG ON IT. THE TRUCK WAS FULL OF CIVILIANS ACCOMPANIED BY GREEK SOLDIERS.

I DO NOT REMEMBER FOR SURE BUT IT WAS THE 2ND OR 3RD DAY AFTER THE INVASION TOOK PLACE

ABOVE IS THE REAL STORY ABOUT THE TIME THE CRIME EFFECTED IN ALOA AND SANDALARIS

BRGDS

Thanks for the information; so you have now confirmed that, Get Real's earlier contention about EOKA not having the chance to commit these crimes because they had no time (running away from the invasion) WAS False!

[TOTIS MILIOTIS]

Thanks for the information; so you have now confirmed that, Get Real's earlier contention about EOKA not having the chance to commit these crimes because they had no time (running away from the invasion) WAS False!




I do not know whether this incident was incurred by EOKA B members or just soldiers. As is very well known the only defend plan which either EOKA B or afterwords Greek Cypriots army had that time was the plan created by Grivas long time ago and therefore under the panic in Greek side that period nobody knows (from us the civilians) who gave such orders.

The only thing now i thing about is the post above of a TC saying that the incident occurred on 14 Aug 1974 -maybe he is right- During the period 20 July 74 until 14 Aug 74 there were many rumus in the Greek side about attrosities of Turkish army in North , rapes, killings of civilians etc - Many were telling us that some of Turks landed in Cyprus were not organised soldiers but persons freed from jails in Anatolia and that these people were making the attrocities during the first part of the invasion.

What i can suggest is that a low rank Greek Cypriot army officer , reacting to the above rumus or trough (personally i do not know) ordered the execusion of people in these certain TCs vilages. Actually i knew some of them pesonally before the invasion.

[MR-from-NG]

The Greek Cypriot Communist party published the confessions of a Greek Cypriot on 20 July 1998. The Greek Cypriot, Nikos Yenya, who lives in London told "Haravgi" that as a soldier he was based at Kyrenia in the north and when they were running away from the Turkish army in 1974, his unit went through the Turkish Cypriot villages of Sandallar and Murataga. Yenya said :

"We went through Sandallari and Marata, what I have seen there was so horrific that I will never forget it as long as I live.

ACTUALLY I WAS PERSONALLY IN A FIELD ABOUT 2KM OUT OF SANDALARIS ,THE TURKKISH VILLAGE THAT DAY.

IT WAS NIGHT AFTER 2200HRS WHEN THEY SEND ME TO THE FIRST HOUSE OF GREEK VILLAGE NEARBY TO BRING FRESH WATER .

GETTING OUT OF THIS GREEK HOUSE I HEART THE NOICE A TRUCK COMING FROM SANDALARIS/ALOA TOWARDS FAMAGUSTA WITH VERY STRONG LIGHTS . I HIDE MYSELF BECAUSE I DID NOT NOW WHETHER THE TRUCK WAS A GREEK OR TURKISH (WE DID NOT HAVE INFO - I WAS TO YOUNG TO KNOW WHERE TURKISH TROOPS WERE MOVING)

THE TRUCK PASSED FEW METERS FARAWAY FROM ME AND THEN I SAW THE GREEK FLAG ON IT. THE TRUCK WAS FULL OF CIVILIANS ACCOMPANIED BY GREEK SOLDIERS.

I DO NOT REMEMBER FOR SURE BUT IT WAS THE 2ND OR 3RD DAY AFTER THE INVASION TOOK PLACE

ABOVE IS THE REAL STORY ABOUT THE TIME THE CRIME EFFECTED IN ALOA AND SANDALARIS

BRGDS

Thanks for the information; so you have now confirmed that, Get Real's earlier contention about EOKA not having the chance to commit these crimes because they had no time (running away from the invasion) WAS False!

Cornered them once again bigOz. In a court of law these guys would stand no chance with your interrogation tactics. Keep up the good work.

[Kifeas]

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Piratis you're the absolute queen of propaganda so I don't know why the TCs are bothering you...

Perhaps you could elaborate a little here and enlighten the observers , my self included , as how you have arrived at the above conclusion that Piratis is a propagandist. Have not always agreed with Piratis but I do not for a second consider him to be a propagandist. He has continually challenged the existence of the "TRNC" and so does the entire world. My dear friend , and I mean that, the sheer propaganda surrounding the myth that Turkey invaded in order to put and end to the massacre of the T/C community is being perpetuated by the VPs and Zans of this world who know perfectly well that some 7 years prior to Turkey invading , they were no casualties , and those whose demise is attributed to intercommunal conflict is debatable since no evidence whats so ever exists to show that their deaths were as a result of conflict.

Mr Miltiades - putting aside personal attacks and insults for a minute, let us all think rationally before jumping to conclusions about who is saying what and who is brainwashed by bad propaganda etc. I would like all sensible GCs to give me an honest opinion on this and not just an answer fro the sake of an argument, or with a "mine is bigger than yours" attitude.

Below is what GC paper Haravgi wrote - I am sure anyone can find the original copy in the ir office archives:

The Greek Cypriot Communist party published the confessions of a Greek Cypriot on 20 July 1998. The Greek Cypriot, Nikos Yenya, who lives in London told "Haravgi" that as a soldier he was based at Kyrenia in the north and when they were running away from the Turkish army in 1974, his unit went through the Turkish Cypriot villages of Sandallar and Murataga. Yenya said :

"We went through Sandallari and Marata, what I have seen there was so horrific that I will never forget it as long as I live. The EOKA -B members were opening big ditches with bulldozers and burying the Turkish Cypriots that they have killed, amongst the murdered were children women and old people (The reason was, all the men were sent to concentration camps in Limassol thus survived the massacres).... One of the EOKA man said WE HAVE DONE OUR JOB"

The above took place within 48 hours of the Turkish invasion. The men were taken away long before - allegedly before the invasion started, but I'll try to get more data on that for you. No one knows exactly when the killings took place - they could well have been before the invasion and EOKA knowing Turkish forces have landed on the island decided to hide the evidence - similar to why Jews were buried during WW2.

EOKA by than had killed thoussands of Grteek Cypriots and even buried some of them in mass graves. From the offset it was evident this was aGreek mainland backed coup, supporting EOKA, whose motto had always been ENOSIS - union with Greece.

Now put yourseles in TCs place around the time just before the Turkish invasion and answer this question please:
Do you seriously believe that an EOKA governed Cyprus, members of which did not hesitate to shoot their own, would have left alone any Turkish Cypriot occupants of any enclave in Cyprus after they finished dealing with their own?

Especially when the same group made it clear in the recent past that to achieve ENOSIS, it was necessary to cleanse the island of any Turkish inhabitants. Did they not made it obvious by the massacres they committed when they had the chance 1963-1967?

The only thing that stopped the Turks from constantly getting buried in mass graves was the change in the political views of Makarios and his new found prefernece to a free Cyprus Republic. Once Makarios was thrown overboard by the ENOSIS seekers and Turkish musrderers, which one of you genuinely believe EOKA led power in the South run by the hardest EOKA members would have left the Turks alone?

If only you are satisfied that I am completely wrong in the two bold questions above, please tell me why so and continue arguing on this matter. Otherwise, please stop adding insult to injury by discussing whether Turks got killed before, during or after the invasion! DOES IT REALLY MATTER? You cannot blame the Turkey for not wanting to put it to test and see if there would be any Turks left alive afterwards - it would have been too late for anything...

What is even more upsetting in this forum; everytime I call EOKA members "animals", I get responses clearly showing some get offended! It is as if there is a veil of permanent denial of their past present GC supporters. This is what is making TCs not trust the GCs at the end of the day. I am not talking about everyone of course...

Before any further baseless accusations of the Turkish forces being the source of no solutionin Cyprus, I sugest people answer my two questions above or zip it on this subject - it will not really get us anywhere!

Do not worry bigOz! We all know the game! Whenever one wants to justify an illegality and a crime, the easiest thing to do is to find or even invent excuses, including efforts to vilify and blame the victim. To this end, we are not surprised that Turkey and the TC leadership have taken this well known path. The truth of the matter though remains that since 1974, the RoC has in several occasions invited turkey to go together to the international court of justice (ICJ) in Hague, and each prove their case! The truth of the matter remains that Turkey refused to take such a step, citing the lame excuse that it doesn’t recognize the RoC (even though the entire world, the UN and the EU do,) and therefore it cannot accept to stand in trial next to “something” that it doesn’t recognize because this would have meant an indirect recognition. For those that are not aware of the ICJ and the way it functions, there must be a mutual consent by the parties in a dispute to appear in front of it, for a judgment to be made by the court. As a result of the above, we are left only with the UN Security Council and UN General Assembly resolutions to mark the illegality of Turkey’s invasion in 1974 and occupation since then, and the ECtHR decisions to mark the violation of the GC’s human rights.

bigOz, no matter how many millions of propaganda sites your side puts across the web, no matter how many posts you and others make in the forums, and no matter how many books and articles you publish; if Turkey had a case, it would have chosen to take the challenge and accept to go and prove it in the ICJ, long time ago!

[Get Real!]

The Greek Cypriot Communist party published the confessions of a Greek Cypriot on 20 July 1998. The Greek Cypriot, Nikos Yenya, who lives in London told "Haravgi" that as a soldier he was based at Kyrenia in the north and when they were running away from the Turkish army in 1974, his unit went through the Turkish Cypriot villages of Sandallar and Murataga. Yenya said :

"We went through Sandallari and Marata, what I have seen there was so horrific that I will never forget it as long as I live.

ACTUALLY I WAS PERSONALLY IN A FIELD ABOUT 2KM OUT OF SANDALARIS ,THE TURKKISH VILLAGE THAT DAY.

IT WAS NIGHT AFTER 2200HRS WHEN THEY SEND ME TO THE FIRST HOUSE OF GREEK VILLAGE NEARBY TO BRING FRESH WATER .

GETTING OUT OF THIS GREEK HOUSE I HEART THE NOICE A TRUCK COMING FROM SANDALARIS/ALOA TOWARDS FAMAGUSTA WITH VERY STRONG LIGHTS . I HIDE MYSELF BECAUSE I DID NOT NOW WHETHER THE TRUCK WAS A GREEK OR TURKISH (WE DID NOT HAVE INFO - I WAS TO YOUNG TO KNOW WHERE TURKISH TROOPS WERE MOVING)

THE TRUCK PASSED FEW METERS FARAWAY FROM ME AND THEN I SAW THE GREEK FLAG ON IT. THE TRUCK WAS FULL OF CIVILIANS ACCOMPANIED BY GREEK SOLDIERS.

I DO NOT REMEMBER FOR SURE BUT IT WAS THE 2ND OR 3RD DAY AFTER THE INVASION TOOK PLACE

ABOVE IS THE REAL STORY ABOUT THE TIME THE CRIME EFFECTED IN ALOA AND SANDALARIS

BRGDS

Thanks for the information; so you have now confirmed that, Get Real's earlier contention about EOKA not having the chance to commit these crimes because they had no time (running away from the invasion) WAS False!

Sorry mate but I’m not convinced. You haven’t addressed the issues I raised and I’m not going to repeat myself. Find another sucker to sell your story to.

As for Totis' story, what makes you so sure that it is related to your story? Are you assuming again?

Your constant reliance on assumptions makes your posts feeble and not worth bothering with.

[bigOz]

:?:

Piratis you're the absolute queen of propaganda so I don't know why the TCs are bothering you...

Perhaps you could elaborate a little here and enlighten the observers , my self included , as how you have arrived at the above conclusion that Piratis is a propagandist. Have not always agreed with Piratis but I do not for a second consider him to be a propagandist. He has continually challenged the existence of the "TRNC" and so does the entire world. My dear friend , and I mean that, the sheer propaganda surrounding the myth that Turkey invaded in order to put and end to the massacre of the T/C community is being perpetuated by the VPs and Zans of this world who know perfectly well that some 7 years prior to Turkey invading , they were no casualties , and those whose demise is attributed to intercommunal conflict is debatable since no evidence whats so ever exists to show that their deaths were as a result of conflict.

Mr Miltiades - putting aside personal attacks and insults for a minute, let us all think rationally before jumping to conclusions about who is saying what and who is brainwashed by bad propaganda etc. I would like all sensible GCs to give me an honest opinion on this and not just an answer fro the sake of an argument, or with a "mine is bigger than yours" attitude.

Below is what GC paper Haravgi wrote - I am sure anyone can find the original copy in the ir office archives:

The Greek Cypriot Communist party published the confessions of a Greek Cypriot on 20 July 1998. The Greek Cypriot, Nikos Yenya, who lives in London told "Haravgi" that as a soldier he was based at Kyrenia in the north and when they were running away from the Turkish army in 1974, his unit went through the Turkish Cypriot villages of Sandallar and Murataga. Yenya said :

"We went through Sandallari and Marata, what I have seen there was so horrific that I will never forget it as long as I live. The EOKA -B members were opening big ditches with bulldozers and burying the Turkish Cypriots that they have killed, amongst the murdered were children women and old people (The reason was, all the men were sent to concentration camps in Limassol thus survived the massacres).... One of the EOKA man said WE HAVE DONE OUR JOB"

The above took place within 48 hours of the Turkish invasion. The men were taken away long before - allegedly before the invasion started, but I'll try to get more data on that for you. No one knows exactly when the killings took place - they could well have been before the invasion and EOKA knowing Turkish forces have landed on the island decided to hide the evidence - similar to why Jews were buried during WW2.

EOKA by than had killed thoussands of Grteek Cypriots and even buried some of them in mass graves. From the offset it was evident this was aGreek mainland backed coup, supporting EOKA, whose motto had always been ENOSIS - union with Greece.

Now put yourseles in TCs place around the time just before the Turkish invasion and answer this question please:
Do you seriously believe that an EOKA governed Cyprus, members of which did not hesitate to shoot their own, would have left alone any Turkish Cypriot occupants of any enclave in Cyprus after they finished dealing with their own?

Especially when the same group made it clear in the recent past that to achieve ENOSIS, it was necessary to cleanse the island of any Turkish inhabitants. Did they not made it obvious by the massacres they committed when they had the chance 1963-1967?

The only thing that stopped the Turks from constantly getting buried in mass graves was the change in the political views of Makarios and his new found prefernece to a free Cyprus Republic. Once Makarios was thrown overboard by the ENOSIS seekers and Turkish musrderers, which one of you genuinely believe EOKA led power in the South run by the hardest EOKA members would have left the Turks alone?

If only you are satisfied that I am completely wrong in the two bold questions above, please tell me why so and continue arguing on this matter. Otherwise, please stop adding insult to injury by discussing whether Turks got killed before, during or after the invasion! DOES IT REALLY MATTER? You cannot blame the Turkey for not wanting to put it to test and see if there would be any Turks left alive afterwards - it would have been too late for anything...

What is even more upsetting in this forum; everytime I call EOKA members "animals", I get responses clearly showing some get offended! It is as if there is a veil of permanent denial of their past present GC supporters. This is what is making TCs not trust the GCs at the end of the day. I am not talking about everyone of course...

Before any further baseless accusations of the Turkish forces being the source of no solutionin Cyprus, I sugest people answer my two questions above or zip it on this subject - it will not really get us anywhere!

Do not worry bigOz! We all know the game! Whenever one wants to justify an illegality and a crime, the easiest thing to do is to find or even invent excuses, including efforts to vilify and blame the victim. To this end, we are not surprised that Turkey and the TC leadership have taken this well known path. The truth of the matter though remains that since 1974, the RoC has in several occasions invited turkey to go together to the international court of justice (ICJ) in Hague, and each prove their case! The truth of the matter remains that Turkey refused to take such a step, citing the lame excuse that it doesn’t recognize the RoC (even though the entire world, the UN and the EU do,) and therefore it cannot accept to stand in trial next to “something” that it doesn’t recognize because this would have meant an indirect recognition. For those that are not aware of the ICJ and the way it functions, there must be a mutual consent by the parties in a dispute to appear in front of it, for a judgment to be made by the court. As a result of the above, we are left only with the UN Security Council and UN General Assembly resolutions to mark the illegality of Turkey’s invasion in 1974 and occupation since then, and the ECtHR decisions to mark the violation of the GC’s human rights.

bigOz, no matter how many millions of propaganda sites your side puts across the web, no matter how many posts you and others make in the forums, and no matter how many books and articles you publish; if Turkey had a case, it would have chosen to take the challenge and accept to go and prove it in the ICJ, long time ago!

You did not answer the questions!!!

[Rain]

I lived the events of 1974, too many things can be said regarding that period of time that the Cypriots had suffered. I hope and pray that it never happens again. However I must say to all that when Mr Samson completed his cleansing with his greek opponents his EOKA B was going to carry out the last part of the Akridas plan which was to put a complete end to the presence of any Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus so that he could be able to declare Enosis with Greece.
The Turkish Army had to intervene to stop the massacre of the Turkish people. Perhaps it could have been different if Britain cooperated as a guarantor to the Constitution of the Republic but as we all know that the partition of the Island benefited Britain much more than been united.
I still think that we must not argue for the past,only look for the future that no more mothers cry and no children are left without parents.

[Jerry]

You can exchange horror stories about what each side did to the other until the cows come home. Both sides have commited them and both sides have been victims, it gets you nowhere, and digging them up to justify the illegal occupation of north Cyprus will not help to solve the problem. How far do you want to go back BigOz 1570?