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[miltiades]

if by NC you mean the northern now occupied part of Cyprus, I have not gone there and I do not indent to go there until it is liberated from its foreign invaders.

Beyond that, the very existence of that pseudo state, which was illegally created by ethnically cleansing the majority of the native population and replacing them with foreigners, is something way more than "bad behavior". It is a crime against 100s of thousands of people and against every international law.

PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is this propaganda for God sake . is it not a fact that 200 thousand Cypriots were forced to abandon their ancestral homes ? Or may be the 120 thousand or so settlers is just a figment of imagination . Perhaps the 40 or so thousand of foreign troops is also a myth.
What constitutes propaganda is the promotion of ideas whose purpose is to mislead peoples' thinking into accepting a preconceived notion on a position. The referral to the "TRNC" as a pseudo state is in line with the UN position as well the perception of Europe and all other nations. Cyprus is the home of us all , the occupied part is also the home for us all .

If it is propaganda then kindly elaborate.

Is that the same UN that put forward the Annan Plan which you resoundingly rejected? and the one that does absoulutely nothing to force Turkish soliders out of the TRNC?

Dont be daft , there is only one UN didnt you know. The AP was rejected because of numerous reasons .

[Kifeas]

Piratis; its not the size that matters. Whether the "lie" is a small one or the exageration is a "big" one ,why does that matter. You dont give up on your arguments. You are a GC patriot, I have no problem with that, But your costant wittering has got to end. You think you are logical allow others to disagree with you.
Are we going to agree that the debacle of 1974 was the miscalculation of a section of GCs (Eoka B) and the Hellenic Junta. Had they succeeded after the overthrow of President Makarios the III, what do you think would have been the fate of the TCs. Another Cretan experience, maybe. You cannot deny that there are still some who given the opportunity would love to carry out Enosis, but as perhaps you pointed out yourself, being in the Eu it would be a useless exercise. You will never know had the Junta behaved, there might have been a mutually agreed settlement. But then we will never know, will we.

So you are saying that: only on the mere basis of hypothesis and assumptions, and before any international diplomatic or other type of initiatives and actions took place, such as the discussion of the matter in the UN SC and the adoption of resolutions calling for the withdrawal of the Greek officers that overthrew Makarios, and even though the Greek Junta agreed on the 18th of July 1974 to do so, and before any one single TC was affected; that Turkey was justified and excused to declare a war and invade Cyprus, kill thousands of people, usurp 37% of Cyprus, ethnically cleanse 200,000 GCs from the north, and usurp their properties and homes in order to distribute them at will to anyone it wished to, violating in this way thousand’s of peoples fundamental human rights, international law and the UN Charter that prohibits military intervention into another sovereign UN member country without UN SC approval and authorization? Isn’t it this what you are saying? That Turkey had a “right” and is justified to have done all the above, just on the mere basis of hypothesis and assumptions!

If this is the case, why then is your “motherland” refusing to come forward to the ICJ in Hague, to have a final verdict and a ruling, as it was asked so many times in the past by the RoC, and close this issue of who is right and who is wrong, once and for ever? If you have such a "good case," what is your “motherland” being afraid of?

I tell you the reason! Your motherland is afraid of the very simple fact that it will lose its case and will make a mockery of itself, and all this rubbish propaganda that some of your fellow TCs post here will go down the drain, because it will be proved how fake, foolish and unreasonable it is! This is the reason!

[Viewpoint]

if by NC you mean the northern now occupied part of Cyprus, I have not gone there and I do not indent to go there until it is liberated from its foreign invaders.

Beyond that, the very existence of that pseudo state, which was illegally created by ethnically cleansing the majority of the native population and replacing them with foreigners, is something way more than "bad behavior". It is a crime against 100s of thousands of people and against every international law.

PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is this propaganda for God sake . is it not a fact that 200 thousand Cypriots were forced to abandon their ancestral homes ? Or may be the 120 thousand or so settlers is just a figment of imagination . Perhaps the 40 or so thousand of foreign troops is also a myth.
What constitutes propaganda is the promotion of ideas whose purpose is to mislead peoples' thinking into accepting a preconceived notion on a position. The referral to the "TRNC" as a pseudo state is in line with the UN position as well the perception of Europe and all other nations. Cyprus is the home of us all , the occupied part is also the home for us all .

If it is propaganda then kindly elaborate.

Is that the same UN that put forward the Annan Plan which you resoundingly rejected? and the one that does absoulutely nothing to force Turkish soliders out of the TRNC?

Dont be daft , there is only one UN didnt you know. The AP was rejected because of numerous reasons .

The point I was trying to get accross was the fact the UN are the ones you support when it suits your cause but are the first ones to slam them when they put the AP forward as a comprehensive solution.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis; its not the size that matters. Whether the "lie" is a small one or the exageration is a "big" one ,why does that matter. You dont give up on your arguments. You are a GC patriot, I have no problem with that, But your costant wittering has got to end. You think you are logical allow others to disagree with you.
Are we going to agree that the debacle of 1974 was the miscalculation of a section of GCs (Eoka B) and the Hellenic Junta. Had they succeeded after the overthrow of President Makarios the III, what do you think would have been the fate of the TCs. Another Cretan experience, maybe. You cannot deny that there are still some who given the opportunity would love to carry out Enosis, but as perhaps you pointed out yourself, being in the Eu it would be a useless exercise. You will never know had the Junta behaved, there might have been a mutually agreed settlement. But then we will never know, will we.

So you are saying that: only on the mere basis of hypothesis and assumptions, and before any international diplomatic or other type of initiatives and actions took place, such as the discussion of the matter in the UN SC and the adoption of resolutions calling for the withdrawal of the Greek officers that overthrew Makarios, and even though the Greek Junta agreed on the 18th of July 1974 to do so, and before any one single TC was affected; that Turkey was justified and excused to declare a war and invade Cyprus, kill thousands of people, usurp 37% of Cyprus, ethnically cleanse 200,000 GCs from the north, and usurp their properties and homes in order to distribute them at will to anyone it wished to, violating in this way thousand’s of peoples fundamental human rights, international law and the UN Charter that prohibits military intervention into another sovereign UN member country without UN SC approval and authorization? Isn’t it this what you are saying? That Turkey had a “right” and is justified to have done all the above, just on the mere basis of hypothesis and assumptions!

If this is the case, why then is your “motherland” refusing to come forward to the ICJ in Hague, to have a final verdict and a ruling, as it was asked so many times in the past by the RoC, and close this issue of who is right and who is wrong, once and for ever? If you have such a "good case," what is your “motherland” being afraid of?

I tell you the reason! Your motherland is afraid of the very simple fact that it will lose its case and will make a mockery of itself, and all this rubbish propaganda that some of your fellow TCs post here will go down the drain, because it will be proved how fake, foolish and unreasonable it is! This is the reason!

You answer this then was life for all Cypriots ship shape from 1963 onwards? it may have been for GCs but I can assure you it was living hell for TCs who were under constant threat by the numerical majority. Rhe coup and what followed was the last drop which prompted Turkey to use her guarantor right to step in and restore order, which to this day she has been unable to do due to GC inisistence of pursuing policies which will ensure TC capitulation.

[Kifeas]

Piratis; its not the size that matters. Whether the "lie" is a small one or the exageration is a "big" one ,why does that matter. You dont give up on your arguments. You are a GC patriot, I have no problem with that, But your costant wittering has got to end. You think you are logical allow others to disagree with you.
Are we going to agree that the debacle of 1974 was the miscalculation of a section of GCs (Eoka B) and the Hellenic Junta. Had they succeeded after the overthrow of President Makarios the III, what do you think would have been the fate of the TCs. Another Cretan experience, maybe. You cannot deny that there are still some who given the opportunity would love to carry out Enosis, but as perhaps you pointed out yourself, being in the Eu it would be a useless exercise. You will never know had the Junta behaved, there might have been a mutually agreed settlement. But then we will never know, will we.

So you are saying that: only on the mere basis of hypothesis and assumptions, and before any international diplomatic or other type of initiatives and actions took place, such as the discussion of the matter in the UN SC and the adoption of resolutions calling for the withdrawal of the Greek officers that overthrew Makarios, and even though the Greek Junta agreed on the 18th of July 1974 to do so, and before any one single TC was affected; that Turkey was justified and excused to declare a war and invade Cyprus, kill thousands of people, usurp 37% of Cyprus, ethnically cleanse 200,000 GCs from the north, and usurp their properties and homes in order to distribute them at will to anyone it wished to, violating in this way thousand’s of peoples fundamental human rights, international law and the UN Charter that prohibits military intervention into another sovereign UN member country without UN SC approval and authorization? Isn’t it this what you are saying? That Turkey had a “right” and is justified to have done all the above, just on the mere basis of hypothesis and assumptions!

If this is the case, why then is your “motherland” refusing to come forward to the ICJ in Hague, to have a final verdict and a ruling, as it was asked so many times in the past by the RoC, and close this issue of who is right and who is wrong, once and for ever? If you have such a "good case," what is your “motherland” being afraid of?

I tell you the reason! Your motherland is afraid of the very simple fact that it will lose its case and will make a mockery of itself, and all this rubbish propaganda that some of your fellow TCs post here will go down the drain, because it will be proved how fake, foolish and unreasonable it is! This is the reason!

You answer this then was life for all Cypriots ship shape from 1963 onwards? it may have been for GCs but I can assure you it was living hell for TCs who were under constant threat by the numerical majority. Rhe coup and what followed was the last drop which prompted Turkey to use her guarantor right to step in and restore order, which to this day she has been unable to do due to GC inisistence of pursuing policies which will ensure TC capitulation.

VP, because there will be a trial in the forum, keep your above claim to offer it as a defending material to your side's attorney, in the same way that I will keep my reply to be offered there!

[miltiades]

if by NC you mean the northern now occupied part of Cyprus, I have not gone there and I do not indent to go there until it is liberated from its foreign invaders.

Beyond that, the very existence of that pseudo state, which was illegally created by ethnically cleansing the majority of the native population and replacing them with foreigners, is something way more than "bad behavior". It is a crime against 100s of thousands of people and against every international law.

PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is this propaganda for God sake . is it not a fact that 200 thousand Cypriots were forced to abandon their ancestral homes ? Or may be the 120 thousand or so settlers is just a figment of imagination . Perhaps the 40 or so thousand of foreign troops is also a myth.
What constitutes propaganda is the promotion of ideas whose purpose is to mislead peoples' thinking into accepting a preconceived notion on a position. The referral to the "TRNC" as a pseudo state is in line with the UN position as well the perception of Europe and all other nations. Cyprus is the home of us all , the occupied part is also the home for us all .

If it is propaganda then kindly elaborate.

Is that the same UN that put forward the Annan Plan which you resoundingly rejected? and the one that does absoulutely nothing to force Turkish soliders out of the TRNC?

Dont be daft , there is only one UN didnt you know. The AP was rejected because of numerous reasons .

The point I was trying to get accross was the fact the UN are the ones you support when it suits your cause but are the first ones to slam them when they put the AP forward as a comprehensive solution.

VP , will you understand that the AP was put to the people and the people exercised their democratic right and rejected a plan that was prepared under instructions by the Turkish government. I do not want to start the AP discussions again we covered that many times in the past. Ask your self why I amongst others rejected the plan and yet you have seen me post on numerous occasions my ambition to see a T/C elected as the president of all Cyprus . Why , because it will herald the beginning of a new era for our country , an era where the best politician becomes the leader of his party and subsequently upon his party winning the election he , the T/V becomes the president of Cyprus. (Brown , a Scot is about to become the British PM. )

I opposed the AP on the grounds that it was dividing our nation for ever into Greek and Turkish Cyprus . Remember the absurdity covering our police stations with half flying the Turkish flag and half the Greek , how about the road ownership , how about the Turkish troops withdrawing time table with not a single guarantee that it would eventually happen.

Can you also try and understand the distinct difference between UN resolutions and , as in the case of the AP , a UN sponsored plan to be voted for or against. A resolution is a definitive statement that does nor required the nation to whom this resolution was addressed to , to either accept or reject. The UN has issued many resolutions in relation to many countries .Those countries such as Israel , or Turkey have chosen to ignore , not to reject in a referendum .