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[MR-from-NG]

Piratis's posts are like porn movies, you've seen one you've seen all. Bloody monotonous and boring. I don't bother reading them anymore.

[zan]

Zan, whenever we had a debate either you ended up lying (http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=11183) or you tried avoiding it in various ways.

The reason is that I have no problem with the truth. I have no problem to accept the mistakes/crimes of our side because they are only a fraction of your mistakes and crimes and therefore can not be used as an excuse by you to commit even more crimes against us. On the other hand you know that the only way to excuse your insistence on crimes and illegalities today is if you lie and exaggerate events out of proportion. Unfortunately for you it is very easy to corner you and to expose your lies and exaggerations, and thats why you prefer to avoid the debate when you get cornered.

Piratis
You have no concept of the real world so what you see before you is always a lie in that twisted mind of yours. I used to think that you were lying but now I know that you just don't understand and that is why you are so valuable to your leaders. You pick bits of history but you just cannot connect them up together to make one coherent story that brings us to where we are today. Do yourself a favor and tear down all those post-its and reminders on the wall around your computer and start again. They all say he same thing anyway. You are stuck now on one item in which you have convinced yourself that I lied when I quite clearly showed you that the attack was imminent after those two villages were attacked. Greece’s Clerides told Makarios at he time that his actions would bring about an intervention by Turkey but the blind old murderer did not listen. You need to stop looking at those numbers and look at the words of what was being said at the time and then you might pull your head out of your arse and see what other people are saying. You are just making yourself look even more stupid than people already think you are by seeing things that are simply not there. I said that two villages were attacked and they were. I said that the intervention would happen because of that and all the other things that your henchmen were doing, and it did. They were persuaded the first time not to intervene and they did not but when your crooked leader completely lost the plot, nothing could stop them and the USA found that they could not say anything with he chaos that was caused.

[Piratis]

Zan, you are pathetic. I can't believe you are still lying. Can you tell me which TC villages were attacked in 1974 BEFORE the Turkish invasion which were the cause of the invasion as you claim? it is really simple Zan, 2 names and the dates. Can you?

The fact is Zan that the intercommunal conflict where both sides were to blame and both sides had an about equal number of victims was over by 1968 - 6 whole years before the invasion.

In 1974 there was a coup in Cyprus but no TC was harmed until after the invasion had started. The turks invaded and started to kill GCs by the thousands and raping under age girls. After this happened, some GCs as an act of revenge killed a couple of 100 of TCs.

These are the historical facts dear Zan. Sure, you can blame GCs for their crimes during the intercommunal conflict but you should blame TCs for their crimes during that period as well. And the Turkish invasion of 1974 had nothing to do with "saving TCs" and everything to do with occupying 1/3rd of Cyprus as it was the plan of Turkey and the TC leadership for decades.

[miltiades]

if by NC you mean the northern now occupied part of Cyprus, I have not gone there and I do not indent to go there until it is liberated from its foreign invaders.

Beyond that, the very existence of that pseudo state, which was illegally created by ethnically cleansing the majority of the native population and replacing them with foreigners, is something way more than "bad behavior". It is a crime against 100s of thousands of people and against every international law.

PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is this propaganda for God sake . is it not a fact that 200 thousand Cypriots were forced to abandon their ancestral homes ? Or may be the 120 thousand or so settlers is just a figment of imagination . Perhaps the 40 or so thousand of foreign troops is also a myth.
What constitutes propaganda is the promotion of ideas whose purpose is to mislead peoples' thinking into accepting a preconceived notion on a position. The referral to the "TRNC" as a pseudo state is in line with the UN position as well the perception of Europe and all other nations. Cyprus is the home of us all , the occupied part is also the home for us all .

If it is propaganda then kindly elaborate.

[Viewpoint]

if by NC you mean the northern now occupied part of Cyprus, I have not gone there and I do not indent to go there until it is liberated from its foreign invaders.

Beyond that, the very existence of that pseudo state, which was illegally created by ethnically cleansing the majority of the native population and replacing them with foreigners, is something way more than "bad behavior". It is a crime against 100s of thousands of people and against every international law.

PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why is this propaganda for God sake . is it not a fact that 200 thousand Cypriots were forced to abandon their ancestral homes ? Or may be the 120 thousand or so settlers is just a figment of imagination . Perhaps the 40 or so thousand of foreign troops is also a myth.
What constitutes propaganda is the promotion of ideas whose purpose is to mislead peoples' thinking into accepting a preconceived notion on a position. The referral to the "TRNC" as a pseudo state is in line with the UN position as well the perception of Europe and all other nations. Cyprus is the home of us all , the occupied part is also the home for us all .

If it is propaganda then kindly elaborate.

Is that the same UN that put forward the Annan Plan which you resoundingly rejected? and the one that does absoulutely nothing to force Turkish soliders out of the TRNC?

[denizaksulu]

Piratis; its not the size that matters. Whether the "lie" is a small one or the exageration is a "big" one ,why does that matter. You dont give up on your arguments. You are a GC patriot, I have no problem with that, But your costant wittering has got to end. You think you are logical allow others to disagree with you.
Are we going to agree that the debacle of 1974 was the miscalculation of a section of GCs (Eoka B) and the Hellenic Junta. Had they succeeded after the overthrow of President Makarios the III, what do you think would have been the fate of the TCs. Another Cretan experience, maybe. You cannot deny that there are still some who given the opportunity would love to carry out Enosis, but as perhaps you pointed out yourself, being in the Eu it would be a useless exercise. You will never know had the Junta behaved, there might have been a mutually agreed settlement. But then we will never know, will we.

[Strahd]

I think I just ask very simple Q. Reading all the replays and bit disopointed.First of all piratis you got no right to respond because you never been to TRNC or maybe you did but don`t want to say it I don`t know.If you want to add something please say never been there and never want to go simple as that and I think turkish_cypriot is right you just doing propaganda... Anyway I hope one day you come to NC and can see that everything is not the way you think in your mind.Please don`t take this as a negative way I just ask how GC feels when they come to North Cyprus. Thanks again

wolf

I will tell you how I feel, I feel like you would feel if you visit your home and find someone else living in it declaring that now it is his and you have no rights on your property...

how's that?

[Strahd]

Another Cretan experience...

Cretan Turks (Τουρκοκρητικοί) or Cretan Muslims (Girit Müslümanları) cover Muslims who arrived in Turkey after or slightly before the start of the Greek rule in Crete in 1908 and especially in the framework of the 1923 agreement for the Exchange of Greek and Turkish Populations and have settled on the coastline stretching from the Çanakkale to İskenderun. Today, only elderly women may be found to be fluent in Cretan Greek and only estimates can be made regarding their number. They often name the language as Cretan (Kritika (Κρητικά) or Giritçe) instead of Greek. The Cretan Turks are Sunni (Hanafi) with a highly influential Bektashi minority that helped shape the folk Islam and religious tolerance of the entire community.

[Piratis]

, But your costant wittering has got to end. You think you are logical allow others to disagree with you.

You can not just "disagree", you have to also prove my logic wrong.

Are we going to agree that the debacle of 1974 was the miscalculation of a section of GCs (Eoka B) and the Hellenic Junta. Had they succeeded after the overthrow of President Makarios the III, what do you think would have been the fate of the TCs. Another Cretan experience, maybe. You cannot deny that there are still some who given the opportunity would love to carry out Enosis, but as perhaps you pointed out yourself, being in the Eu it would be a useless exercise. You will never know had the Junta behaved, there might have been a mutually agreed settlement. But then we will never know, will we.

Nobody is trying to excuse the coup. Coups are actions against democracy. Coups happened many times in Turkey as well.

But now tell me how a coup that happens in a country can be an excuse for a third county to invade it and ethnically cleanse 1/3rd of its population? It is like telling me that if a coup happens in Turkey now, Russia will have the right to invade Turkey and occupy 1/3rd of it.

Turkey as a guarantor power had one and only right: to restore the constitution and the agreements. Not to perform ethnic cleansing and occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus.

So, are we going to agree that Turkey used the coup as an excuse to put into action the plans they always had for Cyprus and occupy the northern part of our country?

[denizaksulu]

Well done TC. The Ministry of Misinformation (sotos ans Piratis) need to be brought to heel. For years they (GCs) have been spreading their poison. Their misistry is to poison all cypriots against each other so their is no peace deal. Tweeldledee and tweedledum dont realise that they are shooting themselves in the foot. I think that that hypocrite Tpop has put them on a salary to propagate their venom.