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[Piratis]

Makarios was accepted to talk as president of Cyprus at the United Nations on the 19th of July 1974. So in fact he was the legal president of Cyprus and he was recognized as such by the whole world.

Turkey simply didn't give a damn about international law and all they cared about was the usual things that Turks ever cared about: How to rape, kill, ethnically cleanse and steal the land of others.

[alexISS]

alexISS

Yes it's obvious that the "Grey Wolves" (of who there is no Greek equivalent) are understanding but threatened people.

er ...... (Greek:Χρυσή Αυγή English:Golden Dawn)?

er.... Equivalent? Hrysi Avgi only had a couple of hundred members and it was dissoluted a few months ago anyway, so, no, there is no "Grey Wolves" equivalent

[zan]

Makarios was accepted to talk as president of Cyprus at the United Nations on the 19th of July 1974. So in fact he was the legal president of Cyprus and he was recognized as such by the whole world.

Turkey simply didn't give a damn about international law and all they cared about was the usual things that Turks ever cared about: How to rape, kill, ethnically cleanse and steal the land of others.

Without a legitimate government without the TCs that he tried to murder. I believe there were talks though that he still tried to mastermind in spite of all his previous cock ups. Are we to suffer for all his sins.

[Jerry]

observer, Turkey had the right to intervene only to restore constitutional order, and not for anything else. What they did was a full scale invasion and ethnic cleansing. Therefore not only they didn't fulfill their obligation as a guarantor power, but on the contrary they violated that treaty, and they continue to violate it for the last 32 years. What Turkey did and does in Cyprus is clearly not their right which is why their occupation of Cyprus is illegal, as is the pseudo state they declared.

And which government were they to hand the country back to???????

When Turkish troops landed in Cyprus Turkey had the choice of insisting that the 1960 constitution was restored, she had the upper hand, the junta had collapsed and Clerides would have had no option but to restore the government as envisaged by the Zurich agreement. But no she continuously broke the cease fire and then conquered more than one third of the island. Turkey achieved her long standing ambition, partition and a military presence in Cyprus. If you believe anything else Zan then you are a bloody fool and don't give us this crap about being victimised by GCs in the 60s, you the TCs were as much to blame for the inter communal strife as the GCs. Denky and his nationalist mates were quite happy to provoke the GCs at your expense so that the "poor victims" needed to be "rescued" by Turkey. Yes you probably did suffer more than the GCs before "rescue" but that's the whole point you are a minority, outnumbered by 4 to 1. When you stop swaggering around trying to be equal (as a community and not individually) to the GCs and you stop hiding behind Turkey's skirt then we might just have a chance of solving the Cyprus Problem otherwise you will be swallowed up by Turkey and the community that is so important to you will disappear.

[alexISS]

http://www.erabrussels.be/information/e ... e_pace.htm

You are requoting this piece why? Do you consider it an official EU site or something? Just because someone wrote something it is official? The fact is that Greece entered the EU a whole 25 years before Turkey even started the negotiations... again, under QUITE different standards.

Along with this Greece was rated as being tyhe most racist country in the world with second place going to..........yes you guessed it, France. I have posted these both before and if you want egg on your face ask again.

I would like to see the source of that

When the government of Costas Simitis took over the presidency on January 1st, Greece had just ended a year as the fastest-growing economy in the EU. The coming year promises a replay. In 2001 – to general surprise – Greece earned its way into the euro zone. It is as a self-confident core member that the Greek government will put on the style in Athens on April 16th when present and new EU members formally sign the enlargement deal negotiated at the Copenhagen summit last month.

Turkey's economy is a mess but, you should know, that's NOT the only reason Turkey is not wanted in the EU. A country governed by a bunch of poorly educated military generals is not the ideal EU candidate. Not recognizing an EU member does not help either.
Greece had a high growth rate but it was not in a 3rd world status (like Turkey is) before that growth started

Turkey the fastest growing economy just outside the EU.

ok, see you in 30 years when your economy becomes acceptable... if you can keep the current growth rate

The most important thing to remember about the "Macedonian conflict" is that the Greek position has changed dramatically over the past decade. Official Greek government policy was that Macedonia did not exist. When Greece took over Aegean Macedonia in 1913, they killed, tortured and ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of Macedonians. They changed the names of people, villages, and landmarks from Macedonian to Greek in their attempts to eradicate the Macedonian name.


Macedonians are Greek

Again, quoting from a FYROMian propaganda site does not increase your credibility. If by "Macedonians" you mean the FYROMians, of course they are not Greek, they are Slavs, speaking a slav dialect and have nothing to do with ancient macedonians who were a Greek people

EDIT: I just saw that Piratis replied to your "Macedonian issue" already, but hey, it doesn't hurt if you read it again, maybe this time it'll stick
But still you haven't elaborated on the "Cretan issue" you mentioned, please do

[zan]

observer, Turkey had the right to intervene only to restore constitutional order, and not for anything else. What they did was a full scale invasion and ethnic cleansing. Therefore not only they didn't fulfill their obligation as a guarantor power, but on the contrary they violated that treaty, and they continue to violate it for the last 32 years. What Turkey did and does in Cyprus is clearly not their right which is why their occupation of Cyprus is illegal, as is the pseudo state they declared.

And which government were they to hand the country back to???????

When Turkish troops landed in Cyprus Turkey had the choice of insisting that the 1960 constitution was restored, she had the upper hand, the junta had collapsed and Clerides would have had no option but to restore the government as envisaged by the Zurich agreement. But no she continuously broke the cease fire and then conquered more than one third of the island. Turkey achieved her long standing ambition, partition and a military presence in Cyprus. If you believe anything else Zan then you are a bloody fool and don't give us this crap about being victimised by GCs in the 60s, you the TCs were as much to blame for the inter communal strife as the GCs. Denky and his nationalist mates were quite happy to provoke the GCs at your expense so that the "poor victims" needed to be "rescued" by Turkey. Yes you probably did suffer more than the GCs before "rescue" but that's the whole point you are a minority, outnumbered by 4 to 1. When you stop swaggering around trying to be equal (as a community and not individually) to the GCs and you stop hiding behind Turkey's skirt then we might just have a chance of solving the Cyprus Problem otherwise you will be swallowed up by Turkey and the community that is so important to you will disappear.

Makarios tries to outsmart the world with his little island mentality and tries to wipe us out and you call that inter-communal conflict. Makarios' army against a civilian public. He then loses control to a Greek lead junta and has failure after failure as far as the TCs are concerned and you expect us to just say "please try again". The UN stood and watched as GCs killed my people. The UK and did the same and we were supposed to just hand it back to a non-existent government to try again.


When Turkey moved a second time and took the rest of what we have today it was because talks had broken down again. You really need to get in the moment to understand what was going on before spouting off irrelevant rubbish.

[alexISS]

And I'm sure that, if Turkey's "intervention" had resulted in, say, a temporary appointment of a Turkish Cypriot as president followed by a presidential election 3 or 4 months later, the tons of UN resolution that characterise Turkey an "occupying force" wouldn't exist, and of course we wouldn't be talking of a Cyprus problem either

[Murataga]

Wow...... bunch of hyenas giving each other a good time I see.

Firstly, some facts about Turkey`s EU process ( for those suggesting that Turkey has been begging for 40 years). Turkey has been a European Union (then the EEC, European Economic Community) Associate Member since 1964. Formal application to join the European Community—the organization that has since developed into the European Union—was made on April 14th, 1987 but the decision to consider Turkey's application was deferred until 1993, because the European Community was in the process of becoming the European Union. She was officially recognized as a candidate for membership on December 12th, 1999 (technically 6 years after their application) at the Helsinki summit of the European Council. On 31 December 1995 the customs union between Turkey and the European Union came into effect. There are estimated to be close to 5 million Turks already living in Europe (almost half the population Greece) and I am not even going to start with cultural and social affiliations such as UEFA, scientific programs such as Erasmus and etc…. Last but not least, it is very important to highlight that there does not exist a country in the history of the EU accession process that has become a candidate and not made full EU member .

Have no worries about Turkey. If you read their history you’ll find out that the troubles you wish to reflect upon are an afternoon walk in the park for them. True there is some skepticism about Turkey`s EU membership process after Sarkozy`s election. I`m not going to go into detail on this. However, there are two facts that can not be disputed: (1) Sarkozy is the president not the immortal and everlasting King of France (2) The EU can not and will not afford to loose Turkey either as a member or not. Turkey, which has already achieved a cumulative growth rate of 35 percent in the last four years, will soon become the sixth largest economy of Europe. The pace and depth of reform in Turkey complements this huge economic growth. They have a young population, that, combined with the size of the country, and its growth rates, constitutes a major dynamism and a good opportunity for the EU. They have the most powerful Army in the region (ranking second largest after U.S. in NATO and the strongest in the Muslim world) which constitutes a vital alliance in a region of major instability. They are very competitive in science and research (chapter 25 on Science and Research in the EU negotiation process is already closed). They add a considerable weight to EU multi-culturalism efforts and might help to prevent potential scenarios involving a clash of civilizations (not to mention that they are the only country on the face of the planet that combines secularity and democracy with Islam ). With the Russians stepping on the throat of Europe on energy, Europe needs access to the virgin resources of the Caucasuses and the richest oil fields on the face of the planet in the Middle East through Turkey. Major aspect of being a super-power in this world is the rate of dominance over energy resources. The EU has not an ounce of weight on the politics or the future of neither the Middle East or the Caucasuses. Turkey is a major partner for EU`s access to these regions in terms of geopolicy, cultural ties and military and economic alliance. In short EU needs Turkey on her side (either in the EU or not) to be a global power in the future.

As far as the Sharia law goes…. what can I say, keep on dreaming. AKP is not an implication. To the contrary it is the perfect evidence why Turkey will not slip into Islamic fundamentalism. AKP used to be Fazilet. Fazilet was right-wing religious and their vote was about 4%. In 2001 reformists in Fazilet parted and formed AKP. AKP declared allegiance to democratic and secular regime and their votes boosted. There are still some doubts pertaining to some of their people due to their past in Fazilet and that is what the whole fuss was about during last month, so don`t get your hopes up. Sharia is as likely as Papadopoulos joining the TMT because it is not the military that protects the regime it is the people.

[Piratis]

Makarios tries to outsmart the world

Sure sure, only the very smart Turks were not outsmart, so that why we should believe the Turkish lies, right zan?

[Piratis]

Murataga, remember the Ottoman empire? Turkey can have all the armies they want, but unfortunately for you when it is decided they will go down faster than anything before. And personally I believe splitting Turkey in 2-3 pieces would be best for everybody, including the residents of Turkey, the great powers and the other people in the region.