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[zan]

Zan forgot to highlight the most important thing Dr. Birgen worked for a brief time in the Turkish Cypriot administration.

Oh well! Then it must all be lies then. Shame I and my family were around to see it as it happened ey!.



Try reading the news papers of the time Sotos. Make sure that there is someone in the house with you so you do get too scared.....

[Sotos]

Why don't you post from the newspapers then and you post what somebody that got paid to write propaganda wrote?

[zan]

Why don't you post from the newspapers then and you post what somebody that got paid to write propaganda wrote?

Have done many a time. Where have you been....?

I still got the same old shit though. things like...."The USA paid for it to be printed" and "The UK owned the ink" and "They want Turkey as their best friend" and shit along those lines. Then along comes guys like you that have not even researched the contents of my post and call it propaganda. What is a girl to do??????????

[Sotos]

And do you have a collection of all newspapers of the time zan? I think you just kept the few ones that suited you or more probably the Turkish gaverment kept them and then gave it to all of you to reproduce them. If I asked you what was written in another page of the same newspaper or in another date you wouldn't have a clue. Am I right?

[zan]

Yopu are right Sotos but this is more right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Try this Ghandi
After the Deluge: A Turkish Cypriot=s View in 1976

While many Turkish Cypriots in the mid-1970s may have wanted a federation, and quite a few more probably have drifted to that view since then, it must be recalled that a large number, and probably a majority, welcomed the Turkish intervention and the protection of a distinct and largely homogeneous Turkish Cyprus. Their arguments are well summarized in these AResearch Notes@ by Latife Birgen, a life-long resident and British-trained scientist. Dr. Birgen worked for a brief time in the Turkish Cypriot administration.


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THE CYPRUS PROBLEM

by Dr. L. Birgen

The study of a problem would not be complete without establishing the correlation between cause and effect. In seeking a solution of the Cyprus question, one should consider the events leading up to it in the light of recent history.

Just after the Second World War the Greek Orthodox Church in Cyprus under Archbishop Makarios used its vast resources to unleash a campaign, not in order to get independence but to unite Cyprus with Greece. The Church then followed up this political agitation with setting up and financing the terrorist organization, Eoka, in order to achieve its aim.

Now, a look at the map should convince anybody of the total irrelevance of Cyprus to Greece. Cyprus under Greece would be a distant, a very distant, province of that country. As with geography decrying such a notion, so with history, for never has Cyprus belonged to Greece.

The Turkish Community has always resolutely opposed the Enosis movement. That Greek Cypriots have shown no regard for Turkish rights, is immediately obvious when one considers that in the name of Enosis they have thought nothing of trying to cut, at a stroke, the Turkish proportion down to half a per cent of the population. It would be grossly unjust to the Turkish Community, the identity of which would be submerged under the sheer weight of numbers with the addition of the population of Greece. For the Turkish Cypriots the picture is that of a Greece stretching its long octopus-like arms in order to grab Cyprus as well. Nor have the Turkish Cypriots forgotten the fate of Turks in the Greek islands like Crete.
After years of sufferings and murders inflicted on the island by Eoka, Makarios seemed to settle tor independence. Turkish Cypriots too favoured independence, but had great misgivings about the genuineness of the Archbishop's change of heart. After lengthy negotiations both sides agreed and signed for an independent Cyprus with a constitution providing checks and balances to ensure power-sharing between the two communities. To guard against upsetting the constitution or any unilateral change of the Status quo, the Treaty of Guarantee empowered the guarator powers Turkey, Greece and England in the first instance to consult among themselves and then to act jointly or separately in the exercise of that power. Had the Greeks implemented the agreement faithfully, Cyprus would now be basking in the sunshine of independence. But the period 1963-1974 witnessed the Greek side dismantling the building blocks of the constitution, the cornerstone of independence.

Soon after the establishment of the Cyprus Republic the Greek Cypriots sought to control the Turkish municipalities and establish domination over the Turkish Cypriots, which of course was neither in the letter nor the spirit of the Treaty. This attempt culminated in the widespread Greek onslaught on Turks in 1963. One of the first to be attacked was a Turkish home in Nicosia, where the Greeks brutally murdered a Turkish Army doctor's wife and three little children, and dumped them in a bath-tub. Many civilian Turks, men, women, children, were slaughtered all over the island. Hundreds of Turks were abducted while crossing the Greek areas to go to their businesses, and they were never seen again. Not one Greek was punished for these dastardly and heinous murders by the Greek Cypriot Administration masquerading as the Government of Cyprus. Unprepared for all this, the Turks felt the need to withdraw to enclaves where they would be more secure. Those who still had to cross Greek-held territory just had to take their lives in their hands. Before setting out they would take tearful leave of their families just like those going on a perilous journey.

Makarios usurped all power in spite of the bi-communal nature of the constitution. He presented himself on the world stage as a smiling priest-statesman, the constitutional head of Cyprus, while at home he persecuted the Turks and divested them of their constitutional and human rights. The injustices done to the Turks for the following eleven years or so were myriad. Many of them either abandoned their homes and properties, or were driven out of them, and had to take refuge in the refugee camps in the Turkish enclave of Nicosia. There were some twenty-four thousand of them. Their plight and cries of anguish went unheeded. When some of them from Ormorphita, a suburb of Nicosia, wanted to take the risk of going back to their looted homes the response from the Greek side transmitted through the local Greek Press was historic, "what is taken after bloodshed is not given back." Ironically, the blood in question was that of the defenceless Turkish Cypriot residents of Ormorphita. It was to remain a ghost town for eleven years until liberated by the Turkish Peace Force in August, 1974.

Besides physical and political persecution the Turks also suffered economic persecution. For example, near Kyrenia the Greeks grabbed the commercial fruit and vegetable garden of a Turkish peasant and cut down the trees to set up a military barrack there, turning it into a parched and barren land. In contrast the Greek-owned gardens around remained green and untouched. The Turkish owner got not a penny of compensation. Again, when the new Kyrenia-Nicosia road was being built, parts of the fields through which the road passed were unceremoniously confiscated. The Turkish peasants who lost chunks of their fields and livelihoods in this way got no compensation at all, while their Greek counterparts were promptly and fully compensated. It was useless for the Turks to protest, as they could get no redress.Bir take noteIn his own country the Turkish Cypriot was less than a foreigner: the Turk had far fewer rights, like those of life, limb, property. It was the active national policy of the Makarios's Administration to deprive Turks of their lands by any means, fair or foul. It is an indication of the Greek sense of justice and compatriotship that some unscrupulous foreigners were even encouraged to (harass Turkish villagers living in Greek-held areas in order to buy off their lands. Any foreigner who succeeded in that would win immediate favour with the Makarios regime. The Turks, who have always been largely an agricultural Community living off the land, have traditionally owned a high proportion of land in Cyprus, and this was a sty in the eye for the Greeks claiming Cyprus to be Greek. Any Greek who wanted to sell his land or house to a Turk would incur the wrath of the Greek Authorities. Such a transaction would not be sanctioned by the Greek-run Land Registration Department, which would refuse to issue a deed of title, an odd behaviour indeed by those proclaiming to be the Government of Cyprus.Ring any bells with what is happening today. Do not forget this was written in 1967

All these happened during the regime of Archbishop Makarios. Many Turks who could not stand the conditions of life sold up what little they had, at what little price they could get, and emigrated. To the Greek Administration, this was, after all, the point of the exercise.

Even the money given to Cyprus by international bodies was kept exclusively for Greeks. As the Turkish Community got weaker and weaker through various restrictive measures and pressures, the Greek side felt that Enosis was within their grasp. Two prominent schools of political thought emerged among the Greeks. The one was for immediate Enosis. But Makarios, who belonged to the second school, had a better idea. He calculated that the Turkish element in Cyprus should be eroded away in time and Enosis could be achieved stealthily step by step. Rather than declare immediate Enosis and provoke a violent Turkish reaction he would first pressurize the Turkish Community into poverty and powerlessness, while at the same time he would present the Greek administration to the world as the constitutional Government of Cyprus. In order to help his international image he would pretend at negotiating with the Turkish Community ostensibly to restore their constitutional rights. He accordingly dilly-dallied over points, ensuring that these negotiations dragged on for eleven years and came to nothing! TPap TPap TPap!!!!

While the Greek community enriched themselves at the expense of the Turks, the Turkish community, forced into a ghetto-like existence, was getting desperate, and would soon be, Makarios hoped, too weak to oppose Enosis. But the Enosis-now boys were getting impatient. They were none too impressed by Makarios's step-by-step approach to Enosis: it was there for the taking. They were convinced Turkey would not intervene; a few noises by Greece would suffice to keep her off! They demanded immediate action. So they fell out with Makarios, not over the aim of Enosis but its timing and tactic. The Enosis boys together with the Greek army in Cyprus staged a coup. What have been the attitudes of the parent powers throughout the chequered history of the Cyprus Republic? From 1963 onwards, when Makarios trampled upon the constitution, which was based on close cooperation and partnership between the two communities, the guarantor powers unfortunately did not step in to restore the constitution. Greece of course was delighted with the turn of events, for, with the Turkish Community pushed aside, the way to Enosis was now wide open. Britain lodged a verbal protest, but was reassured by 'His Beatitude' that the status of the British bases was not affected in any way. After the coup in 1974 Britain protested again only to be reassured by the new upstart Greek Leaders in Cyprus that nothing had really changed; it was just a little internal difficulty! The British bases were certainly not affected. But, as far as the Turkish Community was concerned, something HAD changed. Whereas before the coup there was still hope that the slide to Enosis might yet be arrested and Cyprus' independence be salvaged. With the coup the point of no return had almost been reached. Yes, that was the real change. Britain was not prepared to use force. But if nothing was done now the independence of Cyprus, or whatever was left of it, would be gone for ever. So Turkey acted. But for Turkey's intervention Cyprus would now be, to all intents and purposes, an appendage of Greece. The future of the Turkish Community would be bleak; it would be doomed. Turkey honoured her pledge to the Turkish Cypriots to come to their aid if need be. She did this with great sacrifices of blood and money, even at the risk of straining her alliances, which she once valued without question.

The Greek propaganda machine has craftily portrayed Turkey as the would-be colonizer of Cyprus. In fact Turkey has no territorial ambitions. Turkey's motive is two-fold. Firstly, she was duty-bound to defend the Turkish Community and the independence of Cyprus. Secondly, she views the current revival of Greece's 'Great Idea' with grave concern because with Greece annexing Cyprus, the Greek encirclement of Turkey would be complete. . . . What Turkey now wants in Cyprus is the establishment of a bi-zonal federation, which would make each community strong in its own zone, so that never again will it be necessary to mount such a costly operation in order to safeguard the independence of Cyprus.

If Makarios was genuinely for independence, then why did he persecute and oppress the Turkish Cypriot Community? The right thing for him to do would have been to make common cause with the Turkish Community, a natural ally for him against Enosis. Nor can Greece shake off her responsibility in the Enosis troubles merely by a change of government. But, the lion's share for the blame must surely be attached to Makarios, for if he had not unilaterally abrogated the constitution, no matter how much Greece covetted Cyprus, so long as the two communities shared effective power, the Cyprus tragedy could not have taken place.

All the Cypriots suffered in this tragedy. In 1974 the world heard how whole Turkish villages, Maratha, Aloa and Sandallaris were massacred -- men, women and children. They were then all buried in a rubbish dump and bulldozed over. Their putrefying bodies were later dug out in the presence of U.N. troops and world press. In yet another Turkish village all adult males were arrested by the Greeks, taken to a quiet spot, offered cigarettes, and then machine-gunned in cold blood. Only one young man escaped, feigning death, and made his way to a British base, giving the exact locality of the massacre. The Greek authorities did not allow the U.N. to investigate. But such killings had been going on since 1963. The fact that many of the Turkish Cypriots were scattered all over the island afforded the Greeks the temptation to exterminate them by raids, ambushes, and kidnappings. Many perished in this way. It was nothing short of genocide.
Their majority rights do not entitle the Greeks to exterminate the Turks. No doubt that they would try to do it again if given half a chance. So the Turkish Cypriot stand on the future of Cyprus must be conditioned by the needs and mechanics of survival. They are not going to give hostages to fortune. The Turks in the south, who had enjoyed neither security of life nor property, were transferred en-masse to the north as a result of an agreement reached in the third round of Vienna talks, so they are now safely settled in the Turkish zone with the rest of the Turkish Cypriot Community. This in itself is a stabilizing factor in the situation. The bitter experiences have driven the Turkish Cypriot Community to the inevitable conclusion that they can only survive in a defensible and economically viable area of their own, as the Turkish wing of a bi-zonal Federal Republic of Cyprus. In the new Cyprus the two communities shall liive in their respective zones according to their own customs and traditions, respecting each other and not trying to exterminate nor dominate one another, but both cooperating to run the island on an equal footing.

In the past Makarios succeeded in exploiting Britain's interest in the British bases in Cyprus and the existence of the Greek lobby in the American Congress in securing British and American support for Greek Cypriots in the Cyprus dispute. It is believed that the inherent vulnerability and weakness of the British bases in the island will be a constant source of temptation for him to exploit in his intrigues against Turks, hence a de-stabilizing factor in the Cyprus situation. In the new order to be worked out in Cyprus, it should be spelt out that no one community can go to world organizations claiming that it alone represents and speaks for Cyprus.
A strong Turkish Community is the best guarantee internally, but the only effective guarantee for Cyprus' independence is the Turkish guarantee.

Nicosia -- February 13, 1976.


http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/birgen,% ... 201976.htm

[Get Real!]

Zan, the general rule of thumb is that if something’s too good to be true then chances are…it’s not!

But, don't let me dicourage you my persistant friend... we still love you...

[EPSILON]

After lengthy negotiations both sides agreed and signed for an independent Cyprus with a constitution providing checks and balances to ensure power-sharing between the two communities

Dear Ladies,

Above is the new version of Cyprus problem . The indepedent solution given after agreement of the GCs and Tcs,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


Are you going to change the basic things?


Who was counting TCs before 1956? Who was TC before that year?

Did they had any idea about Turkey or Cyprus indepedence? Did they play any role in he history of Cyprus after Otomans left the Island?

Was Cyprus under British occupation? Is anybody deny this? NOT EVEN HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN.

If country was occupied was its people right to fight for freedom? Who can deny this? Did TCs fight for freedom? Not of course only employed by British to fight the EOKA freedom fighters. (Please do not mix up EOKA AND EOKA B)

Where were TCs during the British occupation ?

Did they have any relation with Turkey? Did they have any problem with GCs?

From where you are getting all these lies , who is convisted you that Turkey was ready to pay even one Dollar for TCs before 1960?

[zan]

[Piratis]

Try this Ghandi

I believe he already tried the propaganda produced by the "Turkish Cypriot Administration" employees. Maybe he should try something different for a change?

[zan]

Try this Ghandi

I believe he already tried the propaganda produced by the "Turkish Cypriot Administration" employees. Maybe he should try something different for a change?

A variation on " It is against what the GCs believe so it must be untrue"!!!!!!