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Postby zan » Mon May 14, 2007 10:00 am

zan wrote:http://www.north-cyprus-properties.com/press/akritas-plan.asp



Everything you need to know about the Akritas plan

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By Loucas Charalambous - Cyprus Mail
April 17, 2005
THE MOST important document there is about the Cyprus problem is the ‘Akritas’ plan. It is incontrovertible testimony as to how the Cyprus problem was created in the form it has had for the last 42 years. Nobody should be allowed to talk about the Cyprus problem if he has not read the ‘Akritas’ plan.

Of course, most Greek Cypriots are completely in the dark about the history of their country’s troubles, something which constantly pushes them into making new mistakes. I would bet my life that among the hundreds of clueless and uneducated characters who appear in the media every day as journalists – supposedly to inform the public – you will not find 10 who would have read this document, which is the key to understanding the Cyprus problem. This bitter truth alone explains why we Greek Cypriots are rooted to a primitive level of politics.

In reality, the Cyprus problem was brought into being by this idiotic and nationally catastrophic plan. A plan, which, in Demetris Christofias’ phraseology, would have been describe as treasonous. It is a glowing monument of political stupidity and irresponsibility. The very same man who had signed the Treaty of Establishment for this state and his ministers, as soon as this state came into being, began plotting its dissolution. And for this purpose they set up an illegal organisation. Only in the minds of a Makarios, a Papadopoulos, a Yiorkadjis, a Kyprianou and a Lyssarides could such paranoid politics have found fertile ground.

The gist of this insane plan is included in the following few lines:

Stage 1: Create of the impression among international public opinion, that the Cyprus issue had not been solved correctly and condemn of the Treaty of Guarantee, “the first target of our attack”.

Stage 2: Seek amendment of negative elements of the agreements by all means. “We can even justify unilateral action.”

Stage 3: “Following the above action, the Treaty of Guarantee (right of interventions) is rendered legally and substantively unenforceable”.

Stage 4: “With Cyprus freed (from the treaties of Alliance and Guarantee) the people would be enabled to express and implement their desire.”

Stage 5: “Lawful confrontation by the forces of the state (police and friendly military troops) of any intervention from within or from outside because then we would be completely independent.”

This plan was not put together by people who had escaped from a mental hospital, as some may think. Its writers made it obvious that they knew very well they were playing with fire. The only parts of the document which are written in block capitals are those informing the recipients that leaking of it was tantamount to “high treason” and urging members of the organisation of their obligation to “destroy by fire”, once it had been read. They were obviously concerned that the Turks might have got wind of it.

This was the great plan, with which Mr Papadopoulos – the deputy chief of Akritas – and his fellow-fighters destroyed the Cyprus Republic, which, as he discovered 40 years later, by his own admission, was a “blessed solution”, even better than joining the EU. The achievement of Papadopoulos’ and his organisation’s national activities was truly impressive.

Within a few days, they had created the enclave between Nicosia and Kyrenia, in which they compressed a large number of the Turkish Cypriots. They laid the foundations of partition. Ten years later, the enclave was used by the Turkish invasion force as a bridgehead for its landing in Cyprus and, expanded by the troops, it evolved in the ‘Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus’.

And now that readers know who had written, in Greek, the pro-Turkish Akritas plan, they should – to use Papadopoulos’ immortal words – “judge for themselves if this helped the Hellenism of Cyprus or our case…”



And the world can see where you are coming from. Do you know where I am coming from is the question. Come on wise guy give us your thoughts on how barbaric you think the Turks are and how much love you show for us. We are listening and cannot wait to unite.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon May 14, 2007 10:06 am

the only thing they can clearly see is the fact no country apart from israel is profiting from ethnic cleansing and let me tell you turkey ain't israel...
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Postby zan » Mon May 14, 2007 10:21 am

pitsilos wrote:the only thing they can clearly see is the fact no country apart from israel is profiting from ethnic cleansing and let me tell you turkey ain't israel...


Sour grapes because it was not successful for your murdering hordes that tried to kill me and mine. You made the problem and now are trying to cover it up, along with more crimes on a daily basis, against our humanity and well being, by accusing us of profiteering. What have you been doing for over 40 years on an island that belongs to both of us. You shut the door in our faces and make all the money you can on property and tourism and now you want even more without a care for the TC people. As your leader Kifeas said. Those who want more than their fare share could end up with nothing.
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Postby pitsilos » Mon May 14, 2007 10:31 am

as far as profiteering i ani't no porky. i suggest you call him and ask him as to why you missed out. he erected a border and then 30 odd years later he opens it. and you ask me questions :lol:

ps...for a country that despices pigs you sure as hell elected one for 30 years. :lol:
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Postby zan » Mon May 14, 2007 10:34 am

pitsilos wrote:as far as profiteering i ani't no porky. i suggest you call him and ask him as to why you missed out. he erected a border and then 30 odd years later he opens it. and you ask me questions :lol:

ps...for a country that despices pigs you sure as hell elected one for 30 years. :lol:


As per usual as soon as you start to lose the plot you resort to insults. I invite you to give it all you've got. Don't listen to Kifeas when he PMs you to stop, talk dirty to me baby.........
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Postby pitsilos » Mon May 14, 2007 10:40 am

hahah i love you too zan...you are a funny guy...whats the matter can't handle the truth? :lol: and you need to change the subject.

I said porky established borders FACT
I said porky opens borders 30 odd years later FACT.

to your questioning as to why the tcs missed out...and you come back with bullshit...man you are a slippery little sucker...well you try anyway... :lol:
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Postby zan » Mon May 14, 2007 5:20 pm

pitsilos wrote:hahah i love you too zan...you are a funny guy...whats the matter can't handle the truth? :lol: and you need to change the subject.

I said porky established borders FACT
I said porky opens borders 30 odd years later FACT.

to your questioning as to why the tcs missed out...and you come back with bullshit...man you are a slippery little sucker...well you try anyway... :lol:


If you made your questions a little clearer maybe you will get better answers because I have to confess that sometimes I have no idea what the hell you are asking.

As for your pig of a leader Makarios..


He signs constitution
He goes back on his slimey word...Fact
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Postby Ghandi » Tue May 15, 2007 3:14 am

Thanks guys

It seems that depending on wether you consider yourselg a GC,TC OR C etc gives you your historical perspective.

The Greeks being hanged and decapicated on JUly 9,1821 is something i had not heard of.If this actually happened is it part of why GC always hated TC ?

No TC were touched in the coup of 1974 but rather a few villages were killed in 3 or 4 villages while many more GC were killed by the "invasion" by Turkey.

My reasearch at this stage has involved talking to TC,reading posts on this sight,newspapers from both sides,reading some books by GC Yianis Papadakis ( Echoes from the dead zone ) and tony angastiniotis.Zan mentions the Arkitas plan and that the GC have done things and tried to cover them up.

To be honest at this stage although if i had evidence that no Turks were killed till after the coup Zan seems to have alittle more Intellectual Integrity then most of the GC on this thread.

I have met many TC and there nature seems to be more peacful then the GC.The GC seem to be rude and are hard to communicate with it could be whats known as brainwashing the ones especially on the sight.

I guess i need more facts and evidence to change were i am leaning.Tony and Yiannis accept ceratain things happened do you people ?

Also in evidence about the killing of GC and the non killing of Tc would greatly help my efforts to understand.

I undestand that my dates are a little off but did Enosis or Eoka B make it harder for TC and this came to a head in 1974 ?
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Postby miltiades » Tue May 15, 2007 4:07 am

zan wrote:
pitsilos wrote:the only thing they can clearly see is the fact no country apart from israel is profiting from ethnic cleansing and let me tell you turkey ain't israel...


Sour grapes because it was not successful for your murdering hordes that tried to kill me and mine. You made the problem and now are trying to cover it up, along with more crimes on a daily basis, against our humanity and well being, by accusing us of profiteering. What have you been doing for over 40 years on an island that belongs to both of us. You shut the door in our faces and make all the money you can on property and tourism and now you want even more without a care for the TC people. As your leader Kifeas said. Those who want more than their fare share could end up with nothing.


So much so that 7 years prior to Turkey invading , none were killed . Some massacre !!
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Postby askimwos » Tue May 15, 2007 7:37 am

zan wrote:
pitsilos wrote:the only thing they can clearly see is the fact no country apart from israel is profiting from ethnic cleansing and let me tell you turkey ain't israel...


Sour grapes because it was not successful for your murdering hordes that tried to kill me and mine. You made the problem and now are trying to cover it up, along with more crimes on a daily basis, against our humanity and well being, by accusing us of profiteering. What have you been doing for over 40 years on an island that belongs to both of us. You shut the door in our faces and make all the money you can on property and tourism and now you want even more without a care for the TC people. As your leader Kifeas said. Those who want more than their fare share could end up with nothing.


Zan, do you actually belive what you are saying? I am a bit puzzled because I though you were a smart individual. We shut the door!!!
Well, I thought that Turkey chose to shut the doors for 30+ years or is it the GCs that partitioned the island? I do not want to get into the legal/illegal argument as you want be bothered again.
However, claiming that the GCs are benefiting at the exoense of TCs because of the turkish invation and occupation is the least oximoron!
Let me see what we have here:
- Turkey invades after the coup
- Chooses to stay instead of reinstalling the constitution
- TCs find themselves with twice the amount of land that they had
- The international community reacts and calls this illegal thus imposing some sort of isolation for the occuppied parts.
- TCs coontinue to support the occupation and
- Turkey still refuses to do what they ought to have done and decides to continue the occupation
- TCs find out the hard way that what they were promised did not materialise
- GCs on the other hand work hard, house the 200,000 refugees, heal the wounds of the invation as best the could and progress economically
- Zan decides that because of all the above it was GCs that benefited from the invation and accuses the RoC for the misfortunes of TCs

Hmmm...

Now is Zan right?
Maybe, as TCs were taken for a ride by Turkey. It is a bit strange that the GCs that suffered all that loss in terms of human lives and natural resourses and had to live in tents as late as 1978-79 have managed that well. On the other hand the TCs that were "saved" by their motherland and got twice as much as some people say have shown limited economic growth despite the generous handouts by Turkey.

After all the above an outsider only has to wonder why the hell GCs want a united island and whether they are not negotiating partition? Well, maybe because they love this island? Or what about considering TCs as their compatriots? Or maybe wanting to have the right to return or retire to their ancestral villages?
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