Some stupid morons in this forum, just like in any other, automatically believe that being a newbie disqualifies a person from being qualified in speaking out on political issues. There is always the wolf-pack behaviour by those who feel threatened by a new idea or arrival, but to me that is no deterrent neither does it matter to my life. At the end of the day everyone will believe what they do and life goes on...
What can I say? for a newbie you’ve broken all the rules in a single day!
I really don't think you're ready for Cyprus Problem discussions and if there's any other Turkish Cypriot member who thinks otherwise I'd be happy to hear them out.
Who died and made you God? Stop ranting about the other person being a newbie when you do not have a clue who / what they are or how much they know about Cyprus problem! I am sorry if I had to use strong language at times but it was not unprovoked. If you care to read replies to my posts you wwill realise others started it first - I always reply in kind! You personallyu called the contents of my post a s rubbish but not proved anything as so - and asking zan to see for "Christ's and Allah's sake" will not help either because they are the root of all the problems we are are facing today. Ask the Greek Orthodox priest during the mass on next sunday and he'll explain...
I am open to criticism and if I am corrected I would accept it - but within reason. I will not accept the line of argument that TRNC resources are lies and the Greek Government of Cyprus is an honest source of information. Please read below and try to understand why many GCs are ignorant of many facts due to lies and false info they've been fed over the years.
In 1948, King Paul of Greece declared that Cyprus desired union with Greece. In 1951 the Orthodox Church of Cyprus presented a referendum according to which around 97% of the Greek Cypriot population (and also many Turkish Cypriots!) wanted the union.
AND SUDENTLY SOME OF YOU PUSH THE BOTTOM AND CHANGED GREEKS OF CYPRUS TO SIMPLE CYPRIOTS COMING FROM MONGOLIA
3000YEARS ENDED WITH ABOVE RESULT (CLEARLY I AM NOT SUPPORTING UNION WITH GREECE -I JUST USE THIS TO SHOW WHAT CYPRIOTS WERE FEELING ABOUT THEIR NATIONALITY) AND THEN SOME NEO-CYPRIOTS WITHIN 20 YEARS TRYING TO CHANGE THE BASE OF PEOPLE ETHNISITY IN CYPRUS. BRITISH YOU ARE VERY GOOD IN SUCH TARGETS BUT FINALLY IS MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND A BRITSH IN LONDON THAN A PURE CYPRIOT IN CYPRUS
What complete and utter nonsense! Again the rantings of a racist fanatic fool - another Nicos Samson in the making perhaps. Which one of the above is correct? The man is shooting his mouth without showing any proof for his claims.
- Prove that Turkish Cypriots ever supported Union with Greece!
- Show where in our arguments I claimed Cypriots came from Mongolia!
- He falsely claims he does not want union with Greece - more lies!
- He claims not to be racist but even speaks with the BNP tone when
falsely claiming it is difficult to find a British in London.
Those idiots who come to this moron's aid, stop criticising using empty words and say which one of the above statements I made is wrong / why!
The Greeks were the first of Cyprus’ inhabitants and have maintained the greatest influence on the island, both in terms of language and culture. Assyrians, Persians, Romans, Byzantines, Venetians, Ottomans and the British were among the many civilisations to occupy the island at various points in its history but Greece has had the most enduring presence.
It was in the late Bronze Age that Mycenaean Achaeans came to Cyprus, establishing the roots of Greek civilization, now more than 3,000 years old.
The Greeks were not the first Cyprus inhabitants and this was made abundantly clear in my post yesterday. Claiming they are, is nothing more than a stupid racist fanatical remark! Mycenaean, if youlook up any dictionary you will find out that some Mycenaeans traded with the island and settled there. That does not mean, they were the first inhabitants. Who were the Mycenaeans trading with if there was no other civilisation present on the island? What a complete nonsensical rant!
The Hellenistic period where Greeks actually ruled over the islan follows Hitites and others. d The presences were as below - either accept what's below or prove it wrong! No point calling it "rubbish"...
Assyrian Period (709 BC - 669 BC)
Persian Period (525 BC - 333 BC)
Hellenistic Period (333 BC - 58 BC)
bigOz, almost nothing of what you have posted stands a chance in front of reality! I mean, there are GCs like Miliotis and Nikiphorakis that talk nonsense, but you have surpassed them by far! I even doubt whether in fact yourself beilives what you have posted, for you cannot be such a fool!
Kifaes! You are a bigger fool and a hypocrite for referring to my replies as not being able to stand a chance in reality. You and some others are nothing but a bunch of ill informed spoiled Greek Cypriots due to bad education! As I said before, show me which one of these are unreal (don't make stupid comments but just answer yes or no!):
1. Cyprus has enjoyed its longest period of peace (33 years) over the past 100 years. In other words their presence has effectively stopped the inter-communal fighting and death of many innocent.
2. It brought down the Greek JUNTA and brough democracy back to Greece!
3. Turkish army never attacked or slaughtered any Greek civilians, women, or children during this period - unlike the Greek mainland army helping general Grivas (EOKA), destroy many Turkish villages and slaughter their inhabitants between 1963-67 and the same again in 1974.
4. Unlike the invading Greek mainland army did to Makarios in 1974, they did not bombard the Turkish Cypriot presidential palace when a left wing government came to power (CTP).
5. Turkish army is restricted to their barracks as a peace keeping force, and do not occupy or run North of the island. Those Greek Cypriots crossing to the North must have witnessed that the Turkish Cypriots are governing themselves, without soldiers patrolling the streets everyday.
The last point (6) has alkready been discussed above...
As for DTs comments:
the fact that there is a 82% majority of Greek Cypriots still on the island....If we were Egyptians I'd be arguing against you ruining statues of Mubarak right now.
Forget about the population division on the whole of the island! 98% of the population in North Cyprus (TRNC) are Turkish Cypriots, and they have good reason not to give up their hard earned freedom to GCs after 33 years! EU or no EU, economic embargo or not who gives a f**k? TRNC is smaller than the smallest province of Turkey - and no economic burden on her either when it comes to supporting TRNC economically...
Why do you think I am mad when I talk to you about the volume of property left behind by Turks in the South? Is that another lie they taught you at school? Just take a long drive from Limassol to Paphos and visit the dozens of villages on both sides of the road that used to belong to TCs - including the vast vineyards and lands around them. My family is from Paphos and Alektora and owned hundreds of donums of vineyards, banan groves, almont groves etc. in the same area. As achild I used to help pick and pack grapes for Lanitis who bought it next to nothing from us and exported them to UK. I had relatives in many of those villages. If you want a list of them I am sure you'll find it in the annals of the land registry on your side.
Which EU countries are these who see 40,000 Turkish non-EU troops on EU land as Noddy's friendly Circus army? Here to spend Joy and Love to the island?
You are twisting my words - I did not claim EU countries see the Turkish army as "a friendly army". They have come to accept that they are not exactly a "forign invading army". Many EU reps have visited the North and did interviews / spot check etc with th eresident population. THeir findings proved that the TCs welcomed the Turkish army and were not under any kind of opression or threat by them. As I said before, even the GCs that cross the border must be aware of that. People seem to be confusing the once occupying Greek army's behaviour with hat of the Turkish one.
Not 1 TC was killed in anger after 63. Amy TC's that died in 74 were after the invasion
now it's my turn: ARE YOU TOTALLY INSANE? Which school did you learn that one from? Are you really unaware of the mass graves existing to this day containing the bodies of children, women and the elderly inhabitants after their husbands were taken away as prisoners of war by the revolting EOKA - discovered by the UN after the invasion? Are you toitally ignorant of the existance of mass graves in many TC villages occupoants of which were brutally murdered and put in mass graves during 1963-1967. Are you really unaware of thousands of TC men missing eversince 1963 and not heard of to this day? WHAT FRIGGIN PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON? Why don't you ask your mother-in- law if I am right or not?
As for the pregnant women who claim to have been raped by The invading Turkish army - who is to say they were not raped by the Greek army who were fighting the GCs at the time. In any case, they got off lightly; after the discovery of mass graves many Greek POWs faced the firing squad! Many Turkish women got raped before being killed by the EOKA in the past - so what are you trying to tell me? It is OK for Greeks to do it but it becomes a major crime when some members of the Turkish army does it? Both are wrong and not subject of our current argument!
As for Asia minor, the natives of the land are clear: "The earliest civilizations of Anatolia, emerging at the dawn of agriculture in Neolithic villages on the Konya plain (in central Turkey); through the Hittite Empire, the apex of civilization in the late Bronze Age (1400–1180 B.C.); to the emergence of Phrygia, Lydia, and Persia, heirs to the Hittite traditions in the early Iron Age (1100–500 B.C.)."
Alexander the Great conquered the area and so did other empires. That brings me to what the clown of CF Pitsilos had said
he forgot to mention the indeginous population of rome was turks prior to been snatch by the romans Laughing
actuall fact the whole wide world started from turkey...populated by turks and then by the greatest miscarriages of justice the whole wide world was taken away from the turks and became as we know today many nations.
It is this Greek ideology thinking everything must be Greek and no others existed, that drives me mad! It is OK if a Greek emperor conquers a land and it becomes "Greek" then. But if Huns, Selchuks, or Ottomans conquer lands, they become invaders and the places still remain to be called Greek land! What kind of cheuvenistic, stupid line of thought is that?
Finally cypezokyli and Kifeas, if I told you whom I used my vaseline on, although true tou will probably find it very offensive so I shall not indulge you for now. Why get so upset, when another party refrains from a civilised discussion, uses the word "fucked" and I reply in kind? You Greeks are real cry-babies and you'll never change! If you cannot take my argument "seriously", then I suggest you ignore them! But if you dry and rubbish what are facts you will always get a response.
As for an earlier question, I am 50, spent most of my academic life in UK, looked at the Cyprus problem from Europen's eyes and ignored the biased education in both Turkish and Greek Cyprus. Any ideas here are mine and the vast knowledege I have on the history of Cyprus from 1950s to 1974. Witnessed and experienced all the wars out there and amazed at the amount of mis-informed individuals in this forum. I always fought for a free united Cyprus with Greeks and Turks living as Cyprus citizens, participated in Cypriot organisations in London to that effect. That did not include distorting or denying the true events that has brought Cyprus to what it is now. However, I am very happy to see the true ID and line of thinking behind many GCs in this forum and I am fast converting into a TRNC supporter, beginning to believe a united Cyprus can never be!
