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[BirKibrisli]

And let me gratefully borrow a few words from my Paphian brother,miltiades,and address you in your language,Totis Miliotis...

RE, I AM KIPREOS..

IMASTEN KIPREI,OXI KARASAKALIS...

Now, which part of that don't you understand?

[bigOz]

Mr Militades, I am sorry to say you are a veryt ill informed man! To start with your false allegation that Cyprus is a Greek island and everyone else are invaders or foreigners let me prove you wrong for once and all, so that you may give your senseless claims a rest. Below shows the occupants of the island from very early ages:
c.8,500 - 8,000 BCHunter Gatherers

7,000 - 5,300 BC The first settlers: the Khirokitians

4,000 - 2,500 BC Chalcolitic (Copper) Age: stone crucifix pendants are carved

2,700 - 1,600 BC Cypriot Bronze Ages, Early and Middle: cattle, horses, and bronze making are introduced as well as highly indi- vidual pottery style

1,600 - 1,050 BC The Late Bronze Age: period of sophisticated literate city states such as Enkomi-Alasia and Kition

1,500 - 1,450 BC Hittite rule in Cyprus

1,450 - 1,000 BC Beginning of the Egyptian domination of the island

1,200 - 1,000 BC Establishment of the city states of Salamis (capital at the time), Soli, Marion, Paphos, Kurium, and Kyrenia; arrival of Greek colonies

1,000 - 850 BC Iron Age - Cypro-Geometric Period. The coming of Iron, the Dorians and a Dark Age also known as Cypro-Geometric I and II

850 - 750 BC Iron Age - Cypro-Geometric Period. The Phoenician-led Renaissance and Assyrian rule on the island.

750 - 475 BC Iron Age - Cypro-Archaic Period. Time of the city-kingdoms despite the island being ruled by a succession of foreign countries for much of the period (Assyrians, from 709 BC; Egyptians, from c.570 BC; and Persians, from 545 BC).

568 - 525 BC Egyptian domination

525 - 333 BC Iron Age - Cypro-Classical Period sees the Persian occupation and the rule of the island and the duel between the city kingdoms of Kition and Salamis.

333 - 58 BC Hellenistic rule: the heirs of the Alexander the Great rule the island

58 BC - 395 AD Roman Empire ruling Cyprus: 350 years of quiet provincial prosperity

395 - 649 AD Island becomes a part of the Byzantine Empire when Cyprus is gradually converted from paganism to Orthodox Christianity (Early Byzantine period)

649 - 965 AD A second Dark Age: the island is caught on the frontier between the two warring empires of Byzantium and Islam

965 - 1191 Return of the island to Byzantium (Late Byzantine period)

1191 - 1192 Rule of the island by Richard I (the Lionheart), of England and later by the Knights Templars

1192 - 1489 Rule of the island by the Frankish Lusignan Dynasty

1489 - 1570 Venetian domination of Cyprus

1571 - 1878 Conquest of the island by the Ottoman Empire

1878 - 1925 In accordance with a defence-alliance between Britain and the Ottoman Empire, the administration of Cyprus passes to Britain

1925 - 1960 Cyprus is annexed by Britain when Ottoman Empire enters into the World War I on the side of Germany; subsequently the island becomes a Crown Colony and under the British rule

1960 Foundation of the Republic of Cyprus (by the Turkish and Greek-Cypriot communities)

Now, going back to your baseless comments, perhaps you can answer these:

What makes the Greek invasion of the island by the Greeks more legitimate than others by Hitites, Egyptians, Romans, Ottomans etc?

Any documentation expenses involving Turkish Cypriots' Citizenship is well covered by the generous EU econimic aid the Greek Cypriot government representing Cyprus.

None of the land in the North is stolen anymore than the land Turkish Cypriots left behind in the South. The private property occupied in the North is equivalent to that left behind in the South!

Turkish army is not "a foreign invading army" as now accepted by most EU countries who have had the chance to face the facts. Turkish Cypriots do not see them as an invading or intruding force, but as a source of protection that has stopped the animals of EOKA slaughtering innocent women and children. Thery will be here until your kind of Greek Cypriot mentality becomes extinct - and I do not believe you speak for the majority of Greek Cypriots so I wish you would stop referring to your own ideas A "We..." all the time!

What has this Turkish army you hate so much done to you or Cyprus?

1. Cyprus has enjoyed its longest period of peace (33 years) over the past 100 years. In other words their presence has effectively stopped the inter-communal fighting and death of many innocent.

2. It brought down the Greek JUNTA and brough democracy back to Greece!

3. Turkish army never attacked or slaughtered any Greek civilians, women, or children during this period - unlike the Greek mainland army helping general Grivas (EOKA), destroy many Turkish villages and slaughter their inhabitants between 1963-67 and the same again in 1974.

4. Unlike the invading Greek mainland army did to Makarios in 1974, they did not bombard the Turkish Cypriot presidential palace when a left wing government came to power (CTP).

5. Turkish army is restricted to their barracks as a peace keeping force, and do not occupy or run North of the island. Those Greek Cypriots crossing to the North must have witnessed that the Turkish Cypriots are governing themselves, without soldiers patrolling the streets everyday.

6. By your definition, Cyprus must belong to mainland Turkey, because the HITITES (see above list) who were the occupants of Anatolia at the time, were the first rulers of the island - long before any invading Egyptians, Greeks or Romans set foot on it. 80 miles from Turkish mainland, more than 800 miles from Greece - what gives you the right to claim that Cyprus is Greek?

In your other posts you give avery biased and narrow account of population proportions without looking into history again. Ottomans ruled Cyprus for 350 years, during which time nothing "pure" was left! So this "pure" Greek majority you keep referring to (which sounds like Hitler's claim for an Aryan race) that has occupied Cyprus, do they include all the mainland Greeks who came to settle in Cyprus between 1963 and 1974? Do they include thousands of mainland Greek soldiers brought to Cyprus to reinforce the National Guard and offered citizenship by Makarios?

Have you considered the vloume of Turkish Cypriots who left Cyprus for Turkey 1920 onwards, after the British annexation of the island. Have you considered hundreds of thousands of Turkish Cypriots living in UK, Australia, Germany, Holland, U.S.A. - forced to sell and move out of their lands after persistent EOKA aatcks between 1963-1974 and the ensuing economic frustation? Noiw you try and ecriticize the influx of some 20,000 mainland Turks - who now number around 40,000 with their offspring. After 30 years they are just as Cypriot as you and I are - especially their children who were born here.

You lack of knowledge amazed me when you claimed in another post that yoiu are a Greek citizen of Cyprus. Allow me to give you some free advice befor you embarrass yourself any further. The distionary meaning of a citizen is "a native or naturalized member of a state or other political community". This makes you a CYPRUS citizen and nothing more. The same applies for the Turkish Cypriots currently living in the North.

Anyone who is not happy with hearing Greeks speak Greek or Turks speak Turkish in the island is welcome to move and live in Greece or Turkey (and many do) - nothing wrong with that! But the chances of ANY Greek Cypriot majority ruling over a Turkish Cypriot minority during our lifetime is as good as you or me taking a trip around the World tomorrow in a Space Shuttle!

[pitsilos]

bigoZ you are one big confused individual starting with the person you are referring to

[cypezokyli]

great !!!
totis miliotis found his mirror image

[pitsilos]

[bigOz]

bigoZ you are one big confused individual starting with the person you are referring to

There is nothing confusing about what I wrote! I am not a mirror image of any national fanatic either.

The fact that I always did and still support a free Cyprus for Cypriots only does not mean I have to overlook the recent events of history and the ongoing double standarts of the current Cypriot government. Neither does it mean I would accept any solutions based on one ethnic minority ruling over another because of their larger population.

If you care to read what I wrote in a post lat week in the "You are so sure you are Greeks and Turks are you" thread, you would realise what my political views are. The above response was a combined one to another outburst Mr Totis started there, one of which was:

Yes my friend , i am wat i am, i sign my post with my real name, i never delete my posts like others and i will never again allow any of you or else to through me out of my house - never - i was very young then !!!

If you prefer to say to UN :yes i can accept th invators to change my id to change my culture and you can give me a solution is your problem

I am saying to UN that I am Greek majority in the Island and they have to consider this when they are suggesting solutions- other ideas are "GEOPOLITICS" which , as you said I do not understand

We all wish to live together in one country as one nation but not before many Greek Cypriots who think like Totis come down from their high horses and face the truth about Cyprus history. And that requires a long cultural and educational process.

Any solutions imposed now will come tumbling down soon as a single extreemist maniac fires the first bullet. And then what? Cyprus is an EU country and Turkey can no longer invade to protect Turkish Cypriots... At this time, I cannot look my children in the eye and promise such an uncertain future as such. First let us clean our own houses of all the dangerous fanatics who may cause inter-communal friction/fighting, teach our children the true Cyprus history as well as healthy political views, then we can all consider living together as one nation.

[pitsilos]

you seem to be a little over extended my friend...i still reckon you are one helluva individual...oh and i rest my case

[bigOz]

you seem to be a little over extended my friend...i still reckon you are one helluva individual...oh and i rest my case

I'll take that as a compliment!

Errm... Which case is it that you are resting?

[pitsilos]

your confusion

[Get Real!]

Below shows the occupants of the island from very early ages: c.8,500 - 8,000 BCHunter Gatherers

Always quote your source from the Internet because as I suspected after reading through your message there was an obvious undermining of the Greek Mycenaean arrival and subsequent important influence on the island which occurred at around 1500BC…

You probably got your information from this TC website:

http://www.simogendevelopment.com/North ... story.html

Any page that has a heading like “North Cyprus History” cannot possibly be taken seriously as there is no such thing as “North Cyprus” when talking about the island’s history so be VERY careful were you quote from. In fact even today there is legally no such place let alone in the past

Now, going back to your baseless comments, perhaps you can answer these:

The second mistake you make is that you're being condescending even though you're a newbie and don't yet know who is who. There's at least 100 people in here that can easily embarrass you when it comes to the history of Cyprus because that's all these maniacs have been doing all day and all night for years...

What makes the Greek invasion of the island by the Greeks more legitimate than others by Hitites, Egyptians, Romans, Ottomans etc?

There was no Greek "invasion" as such. The first Greeks to arrive on the island were Mycenaeans (people from the southern part of Greece called “Sparti”) at around 1500BC with the aim of trading their goods. Some of these Greeks stayed and lived on the island and in time their influence was successful enough to shape language, religion, and the culture of Cyprus to this day. The "legitimacy" issue you bring up is more an issue of longevity of influence which the Greeks win hands down.

Any documentation expenses involving Turkish Cypriots' Citizenship is well covered by the generous EU econimic aid the Greek Cypriot government representing Cyprus.

This doesn't make any sense.

None of the land in the North is stolen anymore than the land Turkish Cypriots left behind in the South. The private property occupied in the North is equivalent to that left behind in the South!

Here you are making an assumption without having done any homework...

Land Ownership in Cyprus by Ethnic Group:

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State/Church Land

Source: Department of Lands and Surveys
(Refer to Annex 14 in Volume II of the "Memorandum by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus" submitted to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons, 27 February 1987)

Turkish army is not "a foreign invading army" as now accepted by most EU countries who have had the chance to face the facts.

What counts are the official UN resolutions which you’ll find here…

http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/UN ... -list.html

…and not what your “gut feelings” may be.

Turkish Cypriots do not see them as an invading or intruding force, but as a source of protection that has stopped the animals of EOKA slaughtering innocent women and children. Thery will be here until your kind of Greek Cypriot mentality becomes extinct - and I do not believe you speak for the majority of Greek Cypriots so I wish you would stop referring to your own ideas A "We..." all the time!

I wonder if you’re equally worried about TMT “animals” to use your description which among many Greek Cypriots also saw fit to murder their own kind for not following Ankara’s orders of segregation…

TMT attacks against Turkish Cypriots, May-July, 1958
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- 22.5.58: Murder attempt against Ahmet Sadi, Director of the Turkish Office of the Pancyprian Workers Federation. In order to save his life, Sadi left Cyprus soon after and settled in England.

- 24.5.48: Murder of Fazil Onder, Chief Editor of the weekly newspaper "Inkilapci".

- 29.5.58: Murder of Ahmet Yahya, committee member of the progressive Turkish Cypriot Athletic-Cultural Centre.

- 5.6.58: Murder attempt against Hasan Ali, member of a Construction Workers Committee of the Pancyprian Labour Federation.

- 30.6.58: Murder of Ahmet Ibrahim, a barber from Limassol, because he had friendly relations with Greek-Cypriots and expressed himself in favour of Greek-Turkish cooperation.

- 3.7.58: Murder attempt against Arif Hulusi Barudi. He was working in a business owned by a Greek Cypriot. Before the attempt he had received a threatening letter demanding that he leave his job.

What has this Turkish army you hate so much done to you or Cyprus?

I got Napalmed out of my home and country.

Have you considered the vloume of Turkish Cypriots who left Cyprus for Turkey 1920 onwards, after the British annexation of the island.

I’m glad you brought this issue up because those that left Cyprus in the 1920’s refused to give up their Turkish Nationality but those that stayed signed it away under the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne:

ARTICLE 2I .
Turkish nationals ordinarily resident in Cyprus on the 5th November, 1914, will acquire British nationality subject to the conditions laid down in the local law, and will thereupon lose their Turkish nationality. They will, however, have the right to opt for Turkish nationality within two years from the coming into force of the present Treaty, provided that they leave Cyprus within twelve months after having so opted.
Turkish nationals ordinarily resident in Cyprus on the coming into force of the present Treaty who, at that date, have acquired or are in process of acquiring British nationality in consequence of a request made in accordance with the local law, will also thereupon lose their Turkish nationality.
It is understood that the Government of Cyprus will be entitled to refuse British nationality to inhabitants of the island who, being Turkish nationals, had formerly acquired another nationality without the consent of the Turkish Government.

You lack of knowledge amazed me when you claimed in another post that yoiu are a Greek citizen of Cyprus. Allow me to give you some free advice befor you embarrass yourself any further.

While I agree that technically there is nothing Greek about the indigenous Cypriot except for the many imported customs, language, etc, I wouldn’t brag on if I were you about other people embarrassing themselves because you also demonstrate a poor knowledge of Cyprus history quite likely from all the junk sites you’ve been reading.

Regards, GR.