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Kikapolous where do I start with your pathetic response which reveals more about your GC orientated drivel than anything else, lets start with;

It is this sort of denials "my imaginary relatives" is what makes me speak out louder than the previous posts, because you hate to hear the truth. You just can't imagine, another Partitionist would ever "spill the beans". Did you have them all take an oath of secrecy VP.? Do you only reveal secrets to each other, after you all do the "secret hand shake". My imaginary relatives. This proves all along, that you do not tell the truth, and when others do, you find it very difficult to believe. Well believe it.

Do I have the right to not believe what you say? you have repeatedly doubted me and constantly called me a liar, is this purely your right? Your story about your cousins is so transparent that its a joke, you are trying to paint all TCs with the same land grab greedy brush when you know absoşutely nothing about us, just meeting 1 or 2 TCs does not mean we are all the same. Th rest of the above post only shows how your brain works and how you can make things up as you go along people can see right through, "secret hand shakes" "spilling beans" really how idiotic. Proves yet again that you know shit all about the TC community.

Only 15 years in Cyprus. So all those "learned from the past" statements, are nothing but a fairy tale you have been feeding us. I can't say I'm surprised. It was one of the reasons, as to why I asked the question in the first place.

15 years compared to your 2 weeks makes me somewhat of an expert.

As far as selling Greek Cypriot land goes, who the hell said you can sell anyone's land, that you claim it's against the TC's land in the South.

The TRNC, the same one you claim is non exsistent and cannot do anything.

Did the GC agree to exchange his land with a TC, for the land in the South.

He should knock on the door of the "RoC" and ask a few choice questions.

I never heard so much rubbish in my life.

Didnt you hear about the man who claims to be a TCs and visited GC south Cyprus after 42 years and is not an expert on the GC views and demands and is trying to sell it to us the TCs who he knows nothing about and live on the island.

Are you sure they are buying medicine, or is it all those BMW's that are selling like "hot cakes" VP.

People can buy what they want...TCs will not be held randsom or manipulated by GCs, the longer the GCs delay a solution the less land will be available to return, reality of life.

Don't you think it is the responsibility of Turkey, to make sure you have everything you need, since they are occupying the North, without having to sell GC land,

They support our economy enough and have done more for us than our so called "compatriots" who to this day deny us even a postal address.

all awhile, the TC land is still remaining intact in the persons name, who has sold GC land, to buy his BMW. Has the TC gave up his rights to his land in the South, for the return in selling the GC land in the North. I really do not think so. This is called "double dipping".

If the GCs are stupid enough to let TCs double dip then thats their problem. I have not heard of any TCs living in the north selling land in the south which they give upto the TRNC when exchanging for land in the north and if they have done so then the GCs are more stupid than I ever thought.

Your parents are from Cyprus.

You were born in the UK.

If your parents still consider themselves as citizens of the RoC, then that makes you a Cypriot, regardless where you were born.

If your parents no longer consider themselves citizens of the RoC, and only citizens of an illegal de facto "TRNC" and you are the same way, then you are no longer a Cypriot of the RoC, but a "Bastardized TRNC Cypriot".

You do not have any roots in the "TRNC" VP, if the above is the case, therefore I consider you only as a "Bastardized TRNC Cypriot".

After we have a 1 country 2 states, then you can be a "Real" Cypriot again.

So? I am not claiming to be a citizen of the "RoC". How can you be a bastard of something that doesnt exsist, you appear to be contradicting yourself for the sake of supporting your witch hunt mentality.

I really feel sorry for you.

No offence taken or intended.

[Kikapu]

Kikapolous where do I start with your pathetic response which reveals more about your GC orientated drivel than anything else, lets start with;

It is this sort of denials "my imaginary relatives" is what makes me speak out louder than the previous posts, because you hate to hear the truth. You just can't imagine, another Partitionist would ever "spill the beans". Did you have them all take an oath of secrecy VP.? Do you only reveal secrets to each other, after you all do the "secret hand shake". My imaginary relatives. This proves all along, that you do not tell the truth, and when others do, you find it very difficult to believe. Well believe it.

Do I have the right to not believe what you say? you have repeatedly doubted me and constantly called me a liar, is this purely your right? Your story about your cousins is so transparent that its a joke, you are trying to paint all TCs with the same land grab greedy brush when you know absoşutely nothing about us, just meeting 1 or 2 TCs does not mean we are all the same. Th rest of the above post only shows how your brain works and how you can make things up as you go along people can see right through, "secret hand shakes" "spilling beans" really how idiotic. Proves yet again that you know shit all about the TC community.

Only 15 years in Cyprus. So all those "learned from the past" statements, are nothing but a fairy tale you have been feeding us. I can't say I'm surprised. It was one of the reasons, as to why I asked the question in the first place.

15 years compared to your 2 weeks makes me somewhat of an expert.

As far as selling Greek Cypriot land goes, who the hell said you can sell anyone's land, that you claim it's against the TC's land in the South.

The TRNC, the same one you claim is non exsistent and cannot do anything.

Did the GC agree to exchange his land with a TC, for the land in the South.

He should knock on the door of the "RoC" and ask a few choice questions.

I never heard so much rubbish in my life.

Didnt you hear about the man who claims to be a TCs and visited GC south Cyprus after 42 years and is not an expert on the GC views and demands and is trying to sell it to us the TCs who he knows nothing about and live on the island.

Are you sure they are buying medicine, or is it all those BMW's that are selling like "hot cakes" VP.

People can buy what they want...TCs will not be held randsom or manipulated by GCs, the longer the GCs delay a solution the less land will be available to return, reality of life.

Don't you think it is the responsibility of Turkey, to make sure you have everything you need, since they are occupying the North, without having to sell GC land,

They support our economy enough and have done more for us than our so called "compatriots" who to this day deny us even a postal address.

all awhile, the TC land is still remaining intact in the persons name, who has sold GC land, to buy his BMW. Has the TC gave up his rights to his land in the South, for the return in selling the GC land in the North. I really do not think so. This is called "double dipping".

If the GCs are stupid enough to let TCs double dip then thats their problem. I have not heard of any TCs living in the north selling land in the south which they give upto the TRNC when exchanging for land in the north and if they have done so then the GCs are more stupid than I ever thought.

Your parents are from Cyprus.

You were born in the UK.

If your parents still consider themselves as citizens of the RoC, then that makes you a Cypriot, regardless where you were born.

If your parents no longer consider themselves citizens of the RoC, and only citizens of an illegal de facto "TRNC" and you are the same way, then you are no longer a Cypriot of the RoC, but a "Bastardized TRNC Cypriot".

You do not have any roots in the "TRNC" VP, if the above is the case, therefore I consider you only as a "Bastardized TRNC Cypriot".

After we have a 1 country 2 states, then you can be a "Real" Cypriot again.

So? I am not claiming to be a citizen of the "RoC". How can you be a bastard of something that doesnt exsist, you appear to be contradicting yourself for the sake of supporting your witch hunt mentality.

I really feel sorry for you.

No offence taken or intended.

Thanks for your "answers" VP.!!

So the TC's are selling GC land, while their land stans still in the RoC. Thanks for confirming that for us.

The only reason the TC's can't sell their lands in the South, is because they can't, otherwise they would. But they remain the owners all the same, so they are "double dipping".

"Thanks" for the "non answer" on the "Bastardised TRNC Cypriot" question.

So the GC's are stupid, for not going and getting their land in the "TRNC".???

I was in Cyprus for my first 9 years and extra 2 weeks recently. I have outlived you in the country of Cyprus, so let's put that to rest, as to who is more Cypriot between the two of us. "TRNC" does not count.

I'm only painting the Partitionist with the same brush. Unfortunately, when you guys create a "corrupt atmosphere", the innocent TC's get caught in your evil webs.

My cousin's husband is very real. I'm surprised you have not asked me top arrange to meet with him yet.!!

Is it perhaps you know it is the truth and you don't want to take a chance really embarrassing yourselves.

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Kikapu

Thanks for your "answers" VP.!!

No problem.

So the TC's are selling GC land, while their land stans still in the RoC. Thanks for confirming that for us.

No one is denying this but what I am saying and am 100% against is TC double dipping as far as I am aware no TC who is resident in the North may sell their property in the south so the double dipping angle you are trying to push does not hold water. The likelihood of a solution is very remote so therefore the GC "RoC" will inherit those lands by default and TCs who have exchanged land in the south for land in the north will over time sell, develop and do whatever they wish, the longer GCs delay any moves to find a solution the less land there will be to return. This is very simple even you shoudl be able to understand that time is not really working in the GCs favor when it somes to their number 1 priority which as we all know is land.

The only reason the TC's can't sell their lands in the South, is because they can't, otherwise they would. But they remain the owners all the same, so they are "double dipping".

I agree they should not be able to sell their land in the south but their land equivelent should also not be held hostage by a GC "RoC" to force a solution upon TCs they do not want. If a solution should ever come along which is very unlikely then the GCs should ask for proof that they did not in fact exchange their land for something in the north.

"Thanks" for the "non answer" on the "Bastardised TRNC Cypriot" question.

Stupid questions do not deserve a response.

So the GC's are stupid, for not going and getting their land in the "TRNC".???

Yes, I have said GC should apply to the property commission which some clever GCs are doing right now and are getting paid compensation. Is the GC resolving this outstanding issue via channels opened to him more clever or the GCs who still believe the GC "RoC" that everyone will go home???

I was in Cyprus for my first 9 years and extra 2 weeks recently. I have outlived you in the country of Cyprus, so let's put that to rest, as to who is more Cypriot between the two of us. "TRNC" does not count.

If you say so but we will let others decide. I have no problems with being Turkish Cypriot and I do not feel I have to prove anything to anyone.

I'm only painting the Partitionist with the same brush. Unfortunately, when you guys create a "corrupt atmosphere", the innocent TC's get caught in your evil webs.

You try to demonize the word partionist, well if you have not noticed the divisions in the heart of Europe itself, last country to divide willingly was Serbia and now Montenegro, its not that dirty, disgusting or corrupt.

My cousin's husband is very real. I'm surprised you have not asked me top arrange to meet with him yet.!!

Not going entering into that goose chase, how can you meet someone whos not real.

Is it perhaps you know it is the truth and you don't want to take a chance really embarrassing yourselves.

The truth according to a man who has not even seen or interatced with his claimed own community for 42 years please spare us all, as we have clearly established your views are biased, one sided and heavily GC orientated.

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RoC Law clearly prevents TCs resident in the TRNC from selling their land in the south. Whats the problem?

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RoC Law clearly prevents TCs resident in the TRNC from selling their land in the south. Whats the problem?

Yet Kikapolous accuses TCs of double dipping.

[zan]

It's funny you say that Zan because those of us living and breathing Cyprus pretty much think the same for all you GC/TC quacks living anywhere else but Cyprus!

One main difference betwen Kiks and me though. I have family that have moved back and or never left that I speak to. The only family he has, he has abondoned.

The main difference between me and you Zan, is that I accept all Cypriots, with their faults and all, unlike you, who has a Racist views towards majority of Cypriots, and not willing to accept any responsibility at all.This is soooo funny.
ALL Cypriots, except for the ones in the TRNC/KKTC. If you could see just one foot in front of you I would accept what you say but you are so full of shit that it is comming out of your eyes. The only people that you see as Cypriots are in the south and that is the only people you have seen in 42 years.

I know the Nazi ATCA collects information on me, but just which family did I abandoned. You got to tell those Fascist ATCA, that they have gotten their shit all wrong. I'm not going to correct them anymore, so you tell those Nazis to get their facts correct.
Still think that you are so important that not only VP was lying in wait for you but know ATCA is plotting your downfall. The only reason I bother with you is for target practise so I think you should stop looking over your shoulder you paranoid self important madman..........Or should you..........

You always preach to me, to take VP's word for what he says, because he lives "on the ground", therefore he knows what's going on. We don't even know how long VP has been living in Cyprus, so why should I take his word, even if he did tell the truth, over the cousin's husband, another partitionist, who was born in Cyprus, lives in Cyprus, and knows and tells the truth on what is going on in Cyprus, who told me every little detail, that you have the nerve to question it. Why doesn't your family and VP tell us, all the things, that my cousins husband said.
This part is so confused it does not really make sense but I will pretend it does and give you a response.
"Even if VP is telling the truth" you are not prepared to take his word for it over your cousins husband. What you mean the man that you say is a thief and you hated his guts. You are telling us that you would take anybodies word regardless but you will not take VPs even if he is telling the truth....As I said..Mixed up or what?
So now lets go on to your cousins husband telling he truth and "every little detail". Sorry but I don't remember details in your fictisious story. What you said in that mixed up lie of yours was that the man was greedy but still refused the offer of more money in the south. You accused him of greed and dishonesty and now all of a sudden he is telling the truth. More truth than VP that could be telling the truth. What a crock of shit. I do not question it..I downright refuse to believe it!

Yes, I know it would be embarrassing to let everyone know that all the GC land is being bought and sold, therefore having a settlement is not in their foreseeable future.
Go ask what the GCs had in mind for the TCs future when they said OXI to the Annan Plan. You really are a pathetic man Kikapyros. The suffering of over forty years is not enough for you to say enough for my people and maybe understand the situation. You want to inflict more pain and anguish on, what you claim, your people. You want unification then I say good on you but you cannot see a better way to achieve it then to send your own to hell. There is only one place that can be hell and that is in your mind because that is where the hate is and self loathing is the worst kind of hell. Enjoy.[/quote]

[T_C]

T_C,

The reason as to why you find the above comments difficult to understand or even to accept, is because you have been living in the UK for a long time, and been spending your time with too many Turkish Speaking people to formulate the way you think, which is, only GC's can do wrong and not the TC's. You have a "clean" heart, so of course you can not believe, that your own race can do anything bad. You need few more years to learn, what tricks the "Evil Adults" play on your innocent mind.

I want you or anybody else, to tell me, that what I said above, is not true, rather that just making accusations.

You are just way too innocent my good friend. That is the only reason why you cannot accept the above comments.

You are wrong there Kikapu. I do not think the Turks can do no wrong and all GCs are bad. Not at all!

But the GC's tell TC's all the time about "Turkish propaganda" blah blah blah...but do they EVER EVER EVER EVER consider that their side has lied in the same way? NO! It doesn't even run through their minds nor does it through yours!!!!!!!
Some GCs are truly ignorant and have denied just about everything that they're accused of and try to make everything thats their fault as some minor incident. Thats what I can't stand! And the double standards.... I might be innocent but I ain't stupid Kikapu. I have stuck up for both sides before and have NEVER said Turks are great but GCs are bad, but I am tired of turning a blind eye to the hypocracy against TCs I see on this forum...

Do you think you would still have these views if you lived in Cyprus all those years you've been away? NO WAY mate!

Majority of TCs want a solution. But not one where we give our country up to be ruled by the people who we've had problems living/agreeing with...The 40 years this shit has been going on should be testament to this!!!!

There will be no other settlement. Anything else is just a lie from the RoC government to get people to continute fighting their battle...all this "balance of power" rubbish . I bet before Cyprus joined the EU you were all saying the same thing "now that we're in the EU there'll be a settlement".

There will not! You don't believe me but 40 years of division and most of you still aren't accepting reality!

I'm so tired of repeating myself...

[zan]

And they want you to be tired T_C. That alone should give you the strength to say it again and again. Kikapyros seems to think that VP is the only one he has to fight with his ridiculous accusations. That is about as much as his brain can hold and when he realises that there are thousands more just like him his head will explode. It will not be a big bang of any significance though so do not worry.....

[T_C]

And they want you to be tired T_C. That alone should give you the strength to say it again and again. Kikapyros seems to think that VP is the only one he has to fight with his ridiculous accusations. That is about as much as his brain can hold and when he realises that there are thousands more just like him his head will explode. It will not be a big bang of any significance though so do not worry.....

I know mate! I mean 40 years of division and he expects people to hate TRNC and anyone that doesn't is not Cypriot??? This is a typical GC point of view. Kikapu has been reading too many of Piratis' posts...