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[bigOz]

Congratulations zan an excellent post, you have voiced what 90% of TCs think well done. These so called do gooders need to wake up and realize that without safety valves and provisions we will not change a thing, they should try putting these issues forward and then measure the love of their so called compatriots, get down to the nitty gritty and then you will see how true to form GCs really are.

Only few days ago, it was only 80% of TC's were in agreement with you. Today it has jumped to 90%. Don't tell me, tomorrow, it will be 120%.!!!

It appears that the Partitionist & Propaganda Department of the "TRNC" has now multiple VP's and Multiple Zan's. They just can't keep up with the "POISON" they are producing, to be handled by just 2 persons.!!

Fascism is on the march.!!

So just which "peace plan" do you all propose.??

If you said the AP, then that's where you guys are stuck, for a solution.

But of course, I forgot what my Cousin's husband said to me few weeks ago in Cyprus. Shall we once again, repeat just exactly what he said. Even though I did not like hearing what he had to say, in plain and clear language, that under no circumstances, they would ever be willing to have a settlement, no matter what the "TRNC" government said. That was just for public consumption and not the reality or the truth. So when the VP's and Zan's come on here, and start blowing smoke up peoples ass, all they doing is to lie through their asses. I respect the "husband" telling the truth, but I can't respect these Partitionist for not even having the integrity, to tell the truth. As the "husband" said in many words to me, that there was way too much money being made, by buying and selling Greek Cypriot land, "HARAM LAND", so why look for a settlement.

Oh by the way, their own land in the RoC, still remains intact in their names, so when ever there is a settlement, they will have their land back, but in the meantime, all those dealing with GC's lands in the "TRNC", will not want a settlement of any kind, unless they get to keep most of the GC land. They will want to make as much money as possible. Now lets see if the "Corrupt Partitionist" will come forward, and tell us the truth.

I personally will not be holding my breath, but rather my nose, with all the shit that they are going to say.

It will be a STINKER.!!

Kikapu, you obviously have a chip on your shoulder and feel its payback time. I do not know what your problem is and do not really care but you ar very unique in your thoughts as much as alone when it comes to TCs feelings at this time!

We are not discussing how specific individuals may feel, or aht their beliefs are. As much as some of the current available solutions proposed may well be far from my own ideals, I still have to be realistic and see how / why the TCs are feeling. That is the difference between me and many GCs who misinterpret my posts. A difference between a realist and an idealist if you like. More often than not - reality husrts and is not ideal!

Irrespective of whether 70%, 80% or 120%(?) of TCs are agreeing with it, most of what VP and Zan say is supported in general by the TCs. Understanding why, rather than denying and labelling the author might prove to be a lot more rewarding!

Thank you for your response BigOz.

It's easy for VP to claim he represents all 100% of all the TC's. What he does not tell us is, what the reasons are.

I make my statements that fit the reasons as the reasons why majority of the TC's may not want a settlement, but VP and others, just make excuses as to what the reasons are. They can just cut the crap, and be as honest as my cousin's husband, and tell us what the real reasons are. I want them to stop pretending that they want a solution, when in fact, that is not the case, unless of course, they get to keep their "HARAM LAND". This is not going to be a good starting point, to have peace BigOz, so let them stop "kicking the car tyres", when they have no intentions, ever buying the car, unless of course they can get most of the car, for free.

I do not have a chip on my shoulder my friend. I'm just allergic to Liars and Fascists, that's all.

Fair enough Kikapu and believe me I am trying hard to see things from your prespective. You are partially right that many TCs may not want a settlement at this time, not because they do not want to end theCyprus problem or the not so enviable position they are in.

You must realise, whether Greek land left behind or not, the only party that has suffred and is still suffering financial and economic hardship has been the TCs. Why should they not want a solution? They definitely want it more than any GC at the moment but not at all costs! What you must understand is that there is nothing more important than one's life and those of his/her relatives around them. No financial security or economic independence can outweigh that.

TCs have suffered the economic hardships not because they are a bunch of pain enjoying masochists as some may sarcastically claim, but because they rather do that with their own kind under safe conditions assured by the Turkish army. So it really boils down to trust which is currently neither here nor there. As long as GCs see the Turkish army as the enemy and the occupier, TCs will see the GCs as having other motives. Because that is not what TCs perception of the Turkish army in Cyprus is. If there was a poll in the |TRNC today to get rid of the Turkish Army, 99.9% will refuse the motion.

Furthermore VP or anyone else can only express their opinion as a TC living in TRNC and from own experiences of what is going on in both the media and everyday life of that community. Just as you may not accept his views as generally acceptable (and he may be more right than you feel), you cannot accept what your uncle says as a true reflection of all the TCs in Cyprus. I agree VP may have done better originally, by explaining things more clearly to you, but once you start on the wrong foot it carries on that way. I hope the above explanation will help you see things from a different perspective.

[Viewpoint]

Congratulations zan an excellent post, you have voiced what 90% of TCs think well done. These so called do gooders need to wake up and realize that without safety valves and provisions we will not change a thing, they should try putting these issues forward and then measure the love of their so called compatriots, get down to the nitty gritty and then you will see how true to form GCs really are.

Only few days ago, it was only 80% of TC's were in agreement with you. Today it has jumped to 90%. Don't tell me, tomorrow, it will be 120%.!!!

It appears that the Partitionist & Propaganda Department of the "TRNC" has now multiple VP's and Multiple Zan's. They just can't keep up with the "POISON" they are producing, to be handled by just 2 persons.!!

Fascism is on the march.!!

So just which "peace plan" do you all propose.??

If you said the AP, then that's where you guys are stuck, for a solution.

But of course, I forgot what my Cousin's husband said to me few weeks ago in Cyprus. Shall we once again, repeat just exactly what he said. Even though I did not like hearing what he had to say, in plain and clear language, that under no circumstances, they would ever be willing to have a settlement, no matter what the "TRNC" government said. That was just for public consumption and not the reality or the truth. So when the VP's and Zan's come on here, and start blowing smoke up peoples ass, all they doing is to lie through their asses. I respect the "husband" telling the truth, but I can't respect these Partitionist for not even having the integrity, to tell the truth. As the "husband" said in many words to me, that there was way too much money being made, by buying and selling Greek Cypriot land, "HARAM LAND", so why look for a settlement.

Oh by the way, their own land in the RoC, still remains intact in their names, so when ever there is a settlement, they will have their land back, but in the meantime, all those dealing with GC's lands in the "TRNC", will not want a settlement of any kind, unless they get to keep most of the GC land. They will want to make as much money as possible. Now lets see if the "Corrupt Partitionist" will come forward, and tell us the truth.

I personally will not be holding my breath, but rather my nose, with all the shit that they are going to say.

It will be a STINKER.!!

Kikapu, you obviously have a chip on your shoulder and feel its payback time. I do not know what your problem is and do not really care but you ar very unique in your thoughts as much as alone when it comes to TCs feelings at this time!

We are not discussing how specific individuals may feel, or aht their beliefs are. As much as some of the current available solutions proposed may well be far from my own ideals, I still have to be realistic and see how / why the TCs are feeling. That is the difference between me and many GCs who misinterpret my posts. A difference between a realist and an idealist if you like. More often than not - reality husrts and is not ideal!

Irrespective of whether 70%, 80% or 120%(?) of TCs are agreeing with it, most of what VP and Zan say is supported in general by the TCs. Understanding why, rather than denying and labelling the author might prove to be a lot more rewarding!

Thank you for your response BigOz.

It's easy for VP to claim he represents all 100% of all the TC's. What he does not tell us is, what the reasons are.

I make my statements that fit the reasons as the reasons why majority of the TC's may not want a settlement, but VP and others, just make excuses as to what the reasons are. They can just cut the crap, and be as honest as my cousin's husband, and tell us what the real reasons are. I want them to stop pretending that they want a solution, when in fact, that is not the case, unless of course, they get to keep their "HARAM LAND". This is not going to be a good starting point, to have peace BigOz, so let them stop "kicking the car tyres", when they have no intentions, ever buying the car, unless of course they can get most of the car, for free.

I do not have a chip on my shoulder my friend. I'm just allergic to Liars and Fascists, that's all.

Fair enough Kikapu and believe me I am trying hard to see things from your prespective. You are partially right that many TCs may not want a settlement at this time, not because they do not want to end theCyprus problem or the not so enviable position they are in.

You must realise, whether Greek land left behind or not, the only party that has suffred and is still suffering financial and economic hardship has been the TCs. Why should they not want a solution? They definitely want it more than any GC at the moment but not at all costs! What you must understand is that there is nothing more important than one's life and those of his/her relatives around them. No financial security or economic independence can outweigh that.

TCs have suffered the economic hardships not because they are a bunch of pain enjoying masochists as some may sarcastically claim, but because they rather do that with their own kind under safe conditions assured by the Turkish army. So it really boils down to trust which is currently neither here nor there. As long as GCs see the Turkish army as the enemy and the occupier, TCs will see the GCs as having other motives. Because that is not what TCs perception of the Turkish army in Cyprus is. If there was a poll in the |TRNC today to get rid of the Turkish Army, 99.9% will refuse the motion.

Furthermore VP or anyone else can only express their opinion as a TC living in TRNC and from own experiences of what is going on in both the media and everyday life of that community. Just as you may not accept his views as generally acceptable (and he may be more right than you feel), you cannot accept what your uncle says as a true reflection of all the TCs in Cyprus. I agree VP may have done better originally, by explaining things more clearly to you, but once you start on the wrong foot it carries on that way. I hope the above explanation will help you see things from a different perspective.

Good post but it will be wasted on Kikapolous who has only one aim to prove the GC propaganda machine right. Not once has he stated anything positive towards the community he claims to belong to, doesnt that make you think about his real motives?

[Kikapu]

Good post but it will be wasted on Kikapolous who has only one aim to prove the GC propaganda machine right. Not once has he stated anything positive towards the community he claims to belong to, doesnt that make you think about his real motives?

Will you answer the question, as to when you first start living in Cyprus.

I just want to know, for how long you have been a "bastardised Cypriot".

[Kikapu]

Kikapu is out of his mind.....!!!!!

So you are popular in the "TRNC". What are the guide lines these days of being popular, or are there any, since living in a "corrupt society", would only require bribery and special favours.

"Sins of HARAM". Yes I know, that most of you have committed this evil act, so don't blame me, if your conscience is now bothering you.

As far as the "free TC" comment mrfromng, there's nothing money can't buy in the "TRNC", if one was inclined to pay "ransom".

it is also fair to say, that his actions of stealing 30,000 Donüms of GC land, hat set the course of creating a "Corrupt Society".

Well done for building a Society of the Corrupt and Unethical, and committing all the sins of "HARAM".

Sorry, but I'm not in the habit of endorsing illegal Highway Robbery.

and then he comes out with...

Any one who questions anything about the "TRNC", can only be a Traitor.

!

T_C,

The reason as to why you find the above comments difficult to understand or even to accept, is because you have been living in the UK for a long time, and been spending your time with too many Turkish Speaking people to formulate the way you think, which is, only GC's can do wrong and not the TC's. You have a "clean" heart, so of course you can not believe, that your own race can do anything bad. You need few more years to learn, what tricks the "Evil Adults" play on your innocent mind.

I want you or anybody else, to tell me, that what I said above, is not true, rather that just making accusations.

You are just way too innocent my good friend. That is the only reason why you cannot accept the above comments.

[zan]

Kikapu is out of his mind.....!!!!!

So you are popular in the "TRNC". What are the guide lines these days of being popular, or are there any, since living in a "corrupt society", would only require bribery and special favours.

"Sins of HARAM". Yes I know, that most of you have committed this evil act, so don't blame me, if your conscience is now bothering you.

As far as the "free TC" comment mrfromng, there's nothing money can't buy in the "TRNC", if one was inclined to pay "ransom".

it is also fair to say, that his actions of stealing 30,000 Donüms of GC land, hat set the course of creating a "Corrupt Society".

Well done for building a Society of the Corrupt and Unethical, and committing all the sins of "HARAM".

Sorry, but I'm not in the habit of endorsing illegal Highway Robbery.

and then he comes out with...

Any one who questions anything about the "TRNC", can only be a Traitor.

!

T_C,

The reason as to why you find the above comments difficult to understand or even to accept, is because you have been living in the UK for a long time, and been spending your time with too many Turkish Speaking people to formulate the way you think, which is, only GC's can do wrong and not the TC's. You have a "clean" heart, so of course you can not believe, that your own race can do anything bad. You need few more years to learn, what tricks the "Evil Adults" play on your innocent mind.

I want you or anybody else, to tell me, that what I said above, is not true, rather that just making accusations.

You are just way too innocent my good friend. That is the only reason why you cannot accept the above comments.

The guy goes on holiday in the SOUTH for a couple of weeks and thinks he can lecture on the subject.........OH! did I say that that two weeks was after forty years.

I think T_C can see what adults get up to Kikapyros. Lies and bullshit that gets them into trouble. You are so angry with yourself about cocking it up about your so called family member and how he turned down more money because he was GREEDY that you keep coming back to the scene of the crime.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu is out of his mind.....!!!!!

So you are popular in the "TRNC". What are the guide lines these days of being popular, or are there any, since living in a "corrupt society", would only require bribery and special favours.

"Sins of HARAM". Yes I know, that most of you have committed this evil act, so don't blame me, if your conscience is now bothering you.

As far as the "free TC" comment mrfromng, there's nothing money can't buy in the "TRNC", if one was inclined to pay "ransom".

it is also fair to say, that his actions of stealing 30,000 Donüms of GC land, hat set the course of creating a "Corrupt Society".

Well done for building a Society of the Corrupt and Unethical, and committing all the sins of "HARAM".

Sorry, but I'm not in the habit of endorsing illegal Highway Robbery.

and then he comes out with...

Any one who questions anything about the "TRNC", can only be a Traitor.

!

T_C,

The reason as to why you find the above comments difficult to understand or even to accept, is because you have been living in the UK for a long time, and been spending your time with too many Turkish Speaking people to formulate the way you think, which is, only GC's can do wrong and not the TC's. You have a "clean" heart, so of course you can not believe, that your own race can do anything bad. You need few more years to learn, what tricks the "Evil Adults" play on your innocent mind.

I want you or anybody else, to tell me, that what I said above, is not true, rather that just making accusations.

You are just way too innocent my good friend. That is the only reason why you cannot accept the above comments.

The guy goes on holiday in the SOUTH for a couple of weeks and thinks he can lecture on the subject.........OH! did I say that that two weeks was after forty years.

I think T_C can see what adults get up to Kikapyros. Lies and bullshit that gets them into trouble. You are so angry with yourself about cocking it up about your so called family member and how he turned down more money because he was GREEDY that you keep coming back to the scene of the crime.

Oh there's no cock up "ATCA Nazi Zan". You just don't want to accept the truth. Besides, now he ( the husband) owns his own land in the RoC, as well as "HARAM" land in the "TRNC".

Just the way Partitionist like it.

[zan]

Is that so Watch out for my new thread coming your way soon.






Hey Bitch, stop calling me names.....

[Kikapu]

Is that so Watch out for my new thread coming your way soon.

I know, sex, lies and videotapes....................

Hey Bitch, stop calling me names.....

You say Traitor, I say "ATCA Nazi Zan".

I like mine better. It suits you so well.

[zan]

Is that so Watch out for my new thread coming your way soon.

I know, sex, lies and videotapes....................






Hey Bitch, stop calling me names.....

You say Traitor, I say "ATCA Nazi Zan".

I like mine better. It suits you so well.[/quote]



I say potato, you say potatoe.

I say tomato, you say tomatoe

Potato
potatoe
Tomato
Tomatoe

Lets call the whole thing off.


I could get used to that name.................................Bitch

[Get Real!]

The guy goes on holiday in the SOUTH for a couple of weeks and thinks he can lecture on the subject.........OH! did I say that that two weeks was after forty years.

It's funny you say that Zan because those of us living and breathing Cyprus pretty much think the same for all you GC/TC quacks living anywhere else but Cyprus!