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[T_C]

I shall get back to you later GR. I don't think I managed to get my point across though because you have misunderstood what I was trying to get at. And I'm not trying to get away with anything GR!

I want a solution! But by cursing the TCs at any given chance is not going to solve anything! I will reply to all the points you raised later on tonight....

[zan]

Nice one GR You get your friend DA out of the way with a nice line and you jump in your self. Can we ever trust you Greeks

You may agree with BK but at least you can see that they are clueless about certain things yet they try and force their opinions on TCs and go as far as blaming us and join the GCs in desecrating our whole existece!!!!!!!!

The very fact that you need Turkey's military might to hang on this "existence" is proof that there is something wrong T_C.


Of course something is wrong. The moment Turkey moves out, Kifeas has vowed to move in with his super new tanks followed some way behind by TPap. Another one you did not quite think through.

Turkey gives you the false impression that all is ok, you're not hurting anyone, and that you deserve to have this. Turkey has over the decades CONDITIONED you to believe that this "arrangement" is fair and square when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

We know its not ok GR but it’s the best of a bad situation. I should get angry with you about the CONDITIONED bit but I will try to explain instead. If there was any conditioning then why would the TCs go against what Turkey want and vote yes to the Annan Plan. You guys keep twisting everything. One minute you say that Denktas, and therefore Turkey, did not want the Annan plan because they want partition and the next you say we are listening and are conditioned by them. You can't have it both ways. We have been conditioned by the GC intransigence and the slap in the face as far as the Annan plan is concerned. I think it was DT that asked if I was in favor of the Annan Plan and I have to say that I did not know much about it at the time but I saw it as a way forward and a step towards an agreement. That is the way most TCs saw it. It was your leader that convinced the GCs that it was not for you but did very little to make it work. We have had all the excuses as to why and the funniest was from Kifeas saying that he did not have time to sort through it and it was too complicated. How did he know to say OXI then. The conditioning was done to the GC people by him and his entourage not us.

I'm starting to think Kikapu AND BK are some sort of GC propagandists either that or they are complete and utter idiots to not understand the position the TCs are in.

What position are the TC's in? I'm interested to hear your evaluation of this.

I respect their "vision" (along with the rest of the "Cypriot Cypriots") and what they want to see happen in Cyprus, that is NOT what I am going against.

Cypriot Cypriots! You may have coined a new phrase there T_C!

Idon't respect their way (the TCs that have been away from Cyprus for DECADES) of blaming the TCs for not wanting to live being ruled by GCs!!!! I DONT respect them blaming the TCs while COMPLETELY ignoring the GC&RoCs faults...and I mean COMPLETELY, so much that it actually defies belief that these people are Turkish, because any Cypriot Turk would be able to understand that "just" joining the RoC IS NOT AN OPTION and understand WHY!!!

Feel free to explain why it is not an option so we can get to the bottom of the REAL reasons.

Have you listened to anything we said.

Christ almighty!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I find myself shaking when I read some of their posts, they are so arrogant like they know what they're talking about when they haven't even been to Cyprus for decades!!!!!

You are angry because they "get in your way" of achieving your goal which unfortunately violates the rights of others.

They can talk and say what they want but from time they start blaming TCs and actually suggest we should just pack up to go live in RoC....I mean come on, how clueless can someone be on Cyprus? After being at war for 40 years they expect us to give up and go be ruled by the people we've been at war with....Get Real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (no not you! )

Let's suppose for a moment that Turkey is politically forced to abandon Cyprus by the EU or somebody. What would your plans then be T_C? Would you still have the same opinions? I wonder.

Why am I asking you this? because it sheds light as to the REAL reasons why you are feeling this way right now. Unfortunately people tend to turn a blind eye to law when they think they can get away with it.
Abso-bloody-lutely. Makarios was our mentor.

[zan]

You seem to be on the same strategy as Miltiades. Why do you accept the problems that go along with the "RoC" and then try to tempt us into it.I understand your frustration on the matter but you are doing nothing but harm by doing both the above. Why can't you fight for the wrongs to be put right first and then go for the unification. It confuses me and I am sure, by the responses you are getting from nearly all the TCs, that it confuses all of them also. We don't want to have the indignity of having to fight those wrongs from the inside or after the fact. We need them sorted out first but the "RoC" does not show any will to help us to do so. I am sorry but as I have said to Miltiades again and again, you are trying to sell us double glazing with no glass in the windows promising that you will sort the problem out after we have paid over our money. That is not the way to do business and it stinks to high heaven.

I am just sick and tired of hearing the same old excuses,Zan.
Yes,terrible things did happen between the two communities starting from early 50s and probably earlier,and I know and understand the fear factor for the TCs,but the times have changed,mate...How long are you guys going to hang on to old fear,loathing and bitterness.And when are you going to acknowledge that your fear and bittterness and prejudices (plural you!) are being exploited by many outside powers,including Turkey,to keep us divided and ruled...I know we did discuss the issue of Turkey not being able to land soldiers again as easiliy once they are pulled out,and I remember agreen with you on that...But these days you don't have to invade a country to enforce your will on them should need be...Remember Kosovo and the NATO bombing of Serbia??? When are you guys going to acknowledge that a lot of opportunistic and undeserving,and criminal elements,are taking advantage of the present situation to fill their pockets at the expense of the TC and GC refugees...
As long as you guys do not give an inch on the propaganda stakes,the GC side will not come to the party...And as one other GC poster stated elsewhere (DT I think), to insist that GCs still want Enosis in this day and age when the RoC is effectively united with Greece via the EU,is laughable. It stinks to high heavens as a convenient excuse to maintain the status quo...The same goes for the EOKA.They are nowhere to be found,mate,and you guys know it...That is all in the past.I know there is a lot to be done from the GC side (to educate the youth of Cyprus on the true history of the conflict,plus perhaps measures to curb the negative influence of the Church in the South),but you need to undertand the political restraints placed on the GC government under the present circumstances.No government or politician will survive in the Republic if they are seen to make too many concessions to Turkey...This is essentially a conflict between Turkey and the RoC,whether we like it or not...Come on,use some of that considerable intelligence of yours to empathise with our GC compatriots...Not to justify with lame excuses the continuation of the status quo which is doing nothing to advance anybodies cause.Except the cause of the unthinking Turkish nationalists and war profiteers...

Oh my god I have just seen this one. Kikapu is really Kikapyros and now Birkibrisli has become Birkipiratis. WOW!

As for the post contents Birkipiratis, what a can of worms you have opened up. There was me thinking that TPap was to blame and I took great care to always blame the "RoC" and you go and blame the GC people themselves. The puppet master is really the puppet ey! So you believe that it is the GC public that do not want us and are influencing TPap in that direction. SO when he was crying on TV and begging his people to vote OXI he was crying out of fear for what might become of him....................................Very interesting.

[TOTIS MILIOTIS]

Totis
We have more "constitutional rights" than just the citizenship in Cyprus...we will get those also in time..


My friend Iceman, rights can be obtained but also they can be lost!!!!

All rights in this West World where it happen we both to live is a result of obligations.

If you do not fulfill your obligations you are loosing also your rights.

At the time you are caLling yourselves as TC or Cypriot then you are not allowed to work against your own country otherwise you should loose all your respective rights.

What you have not realised is that the dogs years passed for ever . The Sultan loose his power and he is just a simple human being like all of us therefore there will be no favors because of threats and power in the future. EXEMPT OF COURSE IF GREEKS IN CYPRUS STILL THING THAT THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE IS STILL THERE.MAY BE EVEN SOME GREEK CYPRIOTS STILL TRYING TO CONVIST US FOR THIS.

Look around and found a country with similar political or social situation as Turky or, as callled, North Cyprus which finally suceeded in modern history in our area or western than this area.

You have been convisted that you were the victims of GCs in the Island but actually you became the victims of your politicians who still thing That they control an Empire. You just living in a colapsing situation and IF you do not realise this very soon then it will be very late for you and for your rights- The best you can suceed is to became a socity like Irag or Kossovo or at the best Afhanistan- the last may be is more close to the majority of the citizens of your mainland Turkey.


There are some GCs even in this forum denying their Nationality (GREEK) and try o convist us that we are all Cypriots, as simple as that.

If you were fair you should accepted in Cyprus exactly the same rights Kurds , as minority, have in Turkey. Why you consider yourselves more valuable than kURDS?

Despite above you obtained 100 hundred more rights than Kurds in Turkey and when you started , using above rights, to stop the given state of ROC of making even simple daily decisions like taxes or Mrs Ayshe car licence the majority said enough is enough we have to put some basi rules in order for the state to continue.

You then thought that you can through out this majority and create your state. Fair enougph, but afterworlds to continue to cooperate with the invasion army and consider same as your savors and at the same time you to still have all the rights (and as above requesting more) then the only suggestion I can put on the table is that we can agree to give you all the rights Turkey is giving to the minority of Kurds in EastSouth Turkey.

Lets take the law of Turkey , copy it, apply same in Cyprus and slowly slowly to make all the changes may the Turkey do in the future. This i consider is a fair suggestion considering all the people , despite nationality, to have the same life value in this Earth.

[Kifeas]

And prove that you are absolute right Kifeas is the fact that the present policy of good guys convisted no one in the int community and the invators are still there. 40 years you are trying to play the blinds that Zurich is still there and is valid - in practice is valid only in your minds and as an excuss for 5 families in free Cyprus to govern the place, acting and do all necessary in order the situation to remain as it is. You know the families are very well established despite who is the president - they just keep turn between them.

If you go to a street ENDING TO A WALL 100 hundred times then may be is better to change direction.

What we are succeeding presenly is to wait some 10-20 years more until all Greek Cypriots be convisted to think like you and then the TAKSIM will be accepted easier and at same time the 5 families will continue to run the half Cyprus

Totis Miliotis, once more I find my self in the awkward position to tell you that you talk rubbish! Thanks god your ideas and views are not shared or supported by any one single GC political party, but only by a few clueless, marginal and quaint individuals, here and there! Now, if the above fact doesn’t ring a bell to you and it does not make you realise the wrongfulness of your ideas and views, this is only because you lack the necessary political intelligence to do so! So sever is your lack of political intelligence, that you believe everyone else -including all those running the country, are stupid, and you are the one to have first discovered the wheel …or the “Tashinopitta!”

[Get Real!]

Totis Miliotis, once more I find my self in the awkward position to tell you that you talk rubbish! Thanks god your ideas and views are not shared or supported by any one single GC political party, but only by a few clueless, marginal and quaint individuals, here and there! Now, if the above fact doesn’t rink a bell to you and it does not make you realise the wrongfulness of your ideas and views, this is only because you lack the necessary political intelligence to do so! So sever is your lack of political intelligence, that you believe everyone else -including all those running the country, are stupid, and you are the one to have first discovered the wheel …or the “Tashinopitta!”

You just LOVE Totis Miliotis don't you?

[denizaksulu]

Is it compulsory?

[Get Real!]

Is it compulsory?

Deniz, is that it? Just that one line you sent?

[iceman]

Totis Miliotis, once more I find my self in the awkward position to tell you that you talk rubbish! Thanks god your ideas and views are not shared or supported by any one single GC political party, but only by a few clueless, marginal and quaint individuals, here and there! Now, if the above fact doesn’t ring a bell to you and it does not make you realise the wrongfulness of your ideas and views, this is only because you lack the necessary political intelligence to do so! So sever is your lack of political intelligence, that you believe everyone else -including all those running the country, are stupid, and you are the one to have first discovered the wheel …or the “Tashinopitta!”

Many thanks Kifeas for your wise reply..

[Kifeas]

Totis Miliotis, once more I find my self in the awkward position to tell you that you talk rubbish! Thanks god your ideas and views are not shared or supported by any one single GC political party, but only by a few clueless, marginal and quaint individuals, here and there! Now, if the above fact doesn’t ring a bell to you and it does not make you realise the wrongfulness of your ideas and views, this is only because you lack the necessary political intelligence to do so! So sever is your lack of political intelligence, that you believe everyone else -including all those running the country, are stupid, and you are the one to have first discovered the wheel …or the “Tashinopitta!”

Many thanks Kifeas for your wise reply..

For the record, I was specifically reffering to this part of Totis Miliotis posts!

I Always wonder what is the Greek Cypriots reaction on this redigulus case where the Cyprus government is giving citizenship certificates to people who:

AA.Never pay taxes to the Cyprus authority
BB.They work and pay taxes under the control of the occupation foreign army.
CC:They register their cars, they are issuing birth certificates, from the inlegal occupation forces authorities.
DD.They are living in stolen properties of other citizens of the Repuplic
EE.They are cooperating with a foreign army which invated their country .

I am thinking that if a citizen of any state in the rest World acted as the people living in North Cyprus then their government would withdraw their political and constitutional rights.

and this one

And prove that you are absolute right Kifeas is the fact that the present policy of good guys convisted no one in the int community and the invators are still there. 40 years you are trying to play the blinds that Zurich is still there and is valid - in practice is valid only in your minds and as an excuss for 5 families in free Cyprus to govern the place, acting and do all necessary in order the situation to remain as it is. You know the families are very well established despite who is the president - they just keep turn between them.

If you go to a street ENDING TO A WALL 100 hundred times then may be is better to change direction.

What we are succeeding presenly is to wait some 10-20 years more until all Greek Cypriots be convisted to think like you and then the TAKSIM will be accepted easier and at same time the 5 families will continue to run the half Cyprus