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[BirKibrisli]

It is really distressing me,reading all this...I have never seeen people with so much venom,and with such closed minds...Is it because we are still wild animals who react only by instinct???Thousands or years of civilisation seem not to have touched some of us at all...We forget that we are dealing with human beings who have suffered a lot for no fault of their own...We forget that our country,our motherland,the land which gave us birth,have been ravaged,raped and pillaged by successive barbarians throughout history...And when our time came to rule ourselves,we were tricked into wanting to be totally united with one"motherland" or partly united with the other...To achieve that we stopped at nothing...murder,rape,dislocation,ethnic cleansing,propaganda to turn brother and sister against each other...We bought the lies,the deceptions,hook line and sinker...There was no Cypriot nation...there was no Cypriot culture...there was no Cyprus history...we were only Greeks and Turks,forever at each other's throats..And we are still at it,after all we've been through...We are still looking for and finding "good " excuses why we should be stompping on each others heads...We learned nothing from history...We do not deserve Cyprus.We do not deserve to have a homeland...We are cursed people,forsaken by all the gods....all nature...all spirits...I dedicate the following verses by Namik Kemal(a great Turkish thinking-nationalist poet,who loved his country Turkey as much as I love my country,Cyprus) to the hate merchants,those bad excuses for civilised human beings...

Edepsizlikte tekleriz...................We are number one at being rude
Kimi gorsek etekleriz.................we kneel in front of whoever we see
Haktan da yardim bekleriz.........But still evoke the name of God
Ne utanmaz kopekleriz..............What shameless dogs are we!!!

Vatanin girdik kanina..................We stepped into our country's blood
Leke getirdik sanina....................we stained her good name
Cumlemizin bok canina...............shit on all our miserable lives
Ne utanmaz kopekleriz...............What shameless dogs are we!!!

(My apologies to Namik Kemal for this on the spot translation job...)

[miltiades]

Miltiades, how come you're quoting like a newbie?

It all depends on how much wine I drunk !! It took about 1800 posts before I learned the "quote" system . Mrfromng guided me through the process along with Lana. Sometimes I forget !

[miltiades]

Well said zan, these people know no bounds they will try to convince you that the problem started in 1974 and sell you the faulty "RoC" which they opposed and never intended to adopt until the TCs element was extracted. All of a sudden they have become converted Cypriots which is really a GC promotion gimmick to trick simple minded diluted individuals who have lived abroad for so long they can only have 1 people, where was all this Cypriotism in 1963 when the TCs we second class citizens and GCs were enjoying themselves with our rights. You are right we have to make what we have work telling the GCs to go amuse themselves until they come to their senses and realize that we will not be pushed to one side and submit like the TCs who conveniently live abroad and try dictating to us what we should do. We TCs have to stay determined and focussed, the TRNC cannot be kept isolated forever and a time will come when the world will say whats the use of keeping these people in limbo just because GCs want to force them into submission. It has not worked for 44 years and it will never work, the sooner GCs realize this the better it will be for both our communities as the current policies only serve to maintain the current status quo and alienate both sides.

And the sooner you realize that there are International legal frameworks that without them the world will revert back to the stone age the better. You are a misguided individual who along with all those that share your partitionist views are causing enormous damage to the people of Cyprus and to its future generations. You are deceived in believing that International protocols should be pushed aside in order to allow the occupied part of Cyprus to function not as a Turkish occupied area but as a legal state. Well mate you have your answer from all nations on this planet who do not wish to set a dangerous precedent by either recognising or tolerating an illegal entity . But given that your common sense level which along with Zans' remains in its' embrionic state I doubt whether you will ever understand that the Cypriot people G /C and T/C want to be united and become part of the International community , already Cyprus is part of Europe and the occupied part can also benefit as part of Cyprus , not a Turkish province which it now is.

[zan]

Well said zan, these people know no bounds they will try to convince you that the problem started in 1974 and sell you the faulty "RoC" which they opposed and never intended to adopt until the TCs element was extracted. All of a sudden they have become converted Cypriots which is really a GC promotion gimmick to trick simple minded diluted individuals who have lived abroad for so long they can only have 1 people, where was all this Cypriotism in 1963 when the TCs we second class citizens and GCs were enjoying themselves with our rights. You are right we have to make what we have work telling the GCs to go amuse themselves until they come to their senses and realize that we will not be pushed to one side and submit like the TCs who conveniently live abroad and try dictating to us what we should do. We TCs have to stay determined and focussed, the TRNC cannot be kept isolated forever and a time will come when the world will say whats the use of keeping these people in limbo just because GCs want to force them into submission. It has not worked for 44 years and it will never work, the sooner GCs realize this the better it will be for both our communities as the current policies only serve to maintain the current status quo and alienate both sides.

And the sooner you realize that there are International legal frameworks that without them the world will revert back to the stone age the better. You are a misguided individual who along with all those that share your partitionist views are causing enormous damage to the people of Cyprus and to its future generations. You are deceived in believing that International protocols should be pushed aside in order to allow the occupied part of Cyprus to function not as a Turkish occupied area but as a legal state. Well mate you have your answer from all nations on this planet who do not wish to set a dangerous precedent by either recognising or tolerating an illegal entity . But given that your common sense level which along with Zans' remains in its' embrionic state I doubt whether you will ever understand that the Cypriot people G /C and T/C want to be united and become part of the International community , already Cyprus is part of Europe and the occupied part can also benefit as part of Cyprus , not a Turkish province which it now is.

Tell me Miltiades. Once the salesman does his job and sells that shit he is plying, does he then wash his hands of the whole thing and we are past on to the complaints department to be fobbed off time and time again. That’s the way it usually works.



Bir
You seem to be on the same strategy as Miltiades. Why do you accept the problems that go along with the "RoC" and then try to tempt us into it.I understand your frustration on the matter but you are doing nothing but harm by doing both the above. Why can't you fight for the wrongs to be put right first and then go for the unification. It confuses me and I am sure, by the responses you are getting from nearly all the TCs, that it confuses all of them also. We don't want to have the indignity of having to fight those wrongs from the inside or after the fact. We need them sorted out first but the "RoC" does not show any will to help us to do so. I am sorry but as I have said to Miltiades again and again, you are trying to sell us double glazing with no glass in the windows promising that you will sort the problem out after we have paid over our money. That is not the way to do business and it stinks to high heaven.

[askimwos]

... Yes I do realise, that not everyone will return to their properties, but they should not be forced to lose them either. When the time comes, and you want to buy Mr. and Mrs. Nikolos's land, and they are willing to sell, then pay them out of your own pocket at the market rate, as any civilized nation, then you may enjoy your life, quilt free.

Sure! Just like Mr and Mrs Ahmed and every son daughter, brother, sister buried in a mass grave, and their whole village with thousands of donums was left without a legal owner, because no living relatives were left behind. EOKA simply knocked at their door and asked "will you be kind enough to sell your home to us for the right price?".

Without realising Cyprus problem did not start in 1974 but a decade before, and Greek Cypriots were not the only ones who lost homes, land and lives - you've realised nothing. You are evaluating the whole issue from the GC perspective only as if you are the only one who was hard done by.

Perhaps if I heard more consolatory remarks from the TC's towards a settlement and respect of Human Rights and Democratic values for all Cypriots, then you can rest assure, I will not be talking as much.

Your idea of human rights and democratic values are, those for the TCs only - I do not believe in your sincerety when you claim you want democratic rights or human rights for the TCs. Neither do any of the TCs, so dream on... The truth is ENOSIS is still very much alive and favoured bu many in the South (albeit not by the majority), EOKA-B is a reality, so are some nationalist/racist fanatics we witness in this forum regularly, and most importantly Greek Orthodox Church still believes a good Turk is a dead Turk.

If and whan these values change, come and talk to us about democracy and human rights - we might even take you seriously!

I rarely brush aside posts like this but this time I cannot resist to state the obvious about the above post...

Stupidity at its worst kind!!!
Enosis very much alive?
Eoka-B still a reality?
Violation of human rights in the past justifies human rights violation for the future?

Where have you seen all these written mate? Are you stoned or something?

[Rain]

Any idea how many Cypriot inhabitans have been Christianized before Ottomans took Cyprus and how many Christians were converted to muslims during 350 years of rule.
How many were born from mixed marages?
Dear friends, all those who say are from Greek origins and the ones who say are from Turkish Origins will be surprised.

[BirKibrisli]

You seem to be on the same strategy as Miltiades. Why do you accept the problems that go along with the "RoC" and then try to tempt us into it.I understand your frustration on the matter but you are doing nothing but harm by doing both the above. Why can't you fight for the wrongs to be put right first and then go for the unification. It confuses me and I am sure, by the responses you are getting from nearly all the TCs, that it confuses all of them also. We don't want to have the indignity of having to fight those wrongs from the inside or after the fact. We need them sorted out first but the "RoC" does not show any will to help us to do so. I am sorry but as I have said to Miltiades again and again, you are trying to sell us double glazing with no glass in the windows promising that you will sort the problem out after we have paid over our money. That is not the way to do business and it stinks to high heaven.

I am just sick and tired of hearing the same old excuses,Zan.
Yes,terrible things did happen between the two communities starting from early 50s and probably earlier,and I know and understand the fear factor for the TCs,but the times have changed,mate...How long are you guys going to hang on to old fear,loathing and bitterness.And when are you going to acknowledge that your fear and bittterness and prejudices (plural you!) are being exploited by many outside powers,including Turkey,to keep us divided and ruled...I know we did discuss the issue of Turkey not being able to land soldiers again as easiliy once they are pulled out,and I remember agreen with you on that...But these days you don't have to invade a country to enforce your will on them should need be...Remember Kosovo and the NATO bombing of Serbia??? When are you guys going to acknowledge that a lot of opportunistic and undeserving,and criminal elements,are taking advantage of the present situation to fill their pockets at the expense of the TC and GC refugees...
As long as you guys do not give an inch on the propaganda stakes,the GC side will not come to the party...And as one other GC poster stated elsewhere (DT I think), to insist that GCs still want Enosis in this day and age when the RoC is effectively united with Greece via the EU,is laughable. It stinks to high heavens as a convenient excuse to maintain the status quo...The same goes for the EOKA.They are nowhere to be found,mate,and you guys know it...That is all in the past.I know there is a lot to be done from the GC side (to educate the youth of Cyprus on the true history of the conflict,plus perhaps measures to curb the negative influence of the Church in the South),but you need to undertand the political restraints placed on the GC government under the present circumstances.No government or politician will survive in the Republic if they are seen to make too many concessions to Turkey...This is essentially a conflict between Turkey and the RoC,whether we like it or not...Come on,use some of that considerable intelligence of yours to empathise with our GC compatriots...Not to justify with lame excuses the continuation of the status quo which is doing nothing to advance anybodies cause.Except the cause of the unthinking Turkish nationalists and war profiteers...

[DT.]

What a crock of shit. You do not qualify as a Turkish Cypriot or a Cypriot. You are a traitor to both.

Yes Zan, you have spoken like a True ACTA Patriot. This is what you people believe in, is it not ?. Any one who questions anything about the "TRNC", can only be a Traitor.

I told you before, that I will help you in what ever you need, if you want to work towards a 1 country 2 states solution, but all I get from you, is gloating about the creation of the de facto State called "TRNC", that is doing more harm to the TC's than good. Don't you dare come and complain afterwards, that the TC's are suffering, because you do not want to play by the international rules and respect for sovereignty of Cyprus, just because many people are making money of GC land, and as you said the other day, "what's wrong in making some money, while there is no settlement". Or better yet, the statement about " the more Brits buy GC land the more they will become part of the problem, in which, they will have to become part of the solution". Do you actually believe all the crap that you write. You want the Brits to buy, so that they will become a "force" against a settlement, hoping that Britain would back them up, so that the Brits will not lose their "HARAM" land either. You people stop at nothing to further your cause, to keep the de facto state as is, then bitch like hell, because International Community is not helping the TC's. Don't blame the RoC for that, blame the International Community for respecting International Laws.

I ask you again ...WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR YOUR TURKISH CYPRIOT BROTHERS?????

I am working for their rights and to give them a proper life. You just sit there and curse every single one of them for what? Your false sense of Cypriotness. You dare speak about the boys at ATCA and compare yourself to them. Yes there are some that are overly nationalistic but the reason they came about is because every where they looked there were GC web sites and lobby groups that were spreading their hateful lies about US. Yes US the Turkish Cypriots, their supposed cousins. How many of their dead was missing and how many the Turks butchered and how we stole their homes and all the other crap they fed the world for years and years. They decided to set up their web sites and lobby groups and tell the world their side of the story. All they have had is shits like you telling them that they should forget the past when it was the lies about the past that got them going in the first place. Now that our story is getting out, all of a sudden we should forget the past. We WILL forget the past when and only when the past has been put into perspective and the GCs can say that well we might have just deserved what we got because of what we did to the TCs. How convenient to forget the past when it suits you and your buddies. When the people that are attacking and changing the realities of Wikipedia and all the other sites on the Net and they sit down and write he truth about what happened...Then we will forget the past.

Zan where you for or against the Annan plan?

[denizaksulu]

I whole heartedly agree with bir kibrisli except the eoka issue. There are still a few GC's with the eoka mentality who are capable of rocking the boat. Look at the top who do they have? Somebodys' uncle Tasos! 40 senelik Yanni olurmu Kiani? I dont think so. If he goes that will be a good start, but it appears Somebodys' uncle Tpapadop might be standing again for presidency of the RoC. Fat chance for unification. With these people around there can be no trust. We have to learn to trust each other and stop bickering.
Selam

[bigOz]

What do you do other than try to make an impression with your parading popularity in the occupied areas?

Asihtir pou thame.

ANANIN AMI OROSPU COCUGU!
You and your moronic mates are the ones who try and preach democracy and human rights to TCs in this forum all the time - in some stupicd belief that TCs are still primitives.

Finances of a state are run by its banks, and the banks are influenced greatly by their masters who are the big corporations/individuals keeping their billions in their accounts - which school of economy do you teach in?

As for my popularity, it was in response to someone suggesting I live in UK - it is none of your business or concern! Non-entities like youi I eat for breakfast every day whether in or out of occupied areas...

By not accepting the existance of EOKA b you are still living in a state of "denying and lying"!