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[bigOz]

Bigoz, with that same attitude of rejecting anything that peace has to offer, is starting to get played out now. Your own leaders are at a point where they can't just say meaningless phrases anymore. I suggest you do the same and start thinking before you fart.

Please keep it down - your breath smells bad! What part of my post has upset you so much that you feel you should make a rude remark - MORON!

Some of you in the South feel so pure and virginal, you can make stupid insulting comments like being able to buy anything in the TRNC, which can have many meanings, and then get upset when someone throws back the truth at you! Well? Is it a lie?

I tell you now, there is very little I can buy for the right price in South, so I suggest you shut it!

[MR-from-NG]

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[Get Real!]

Kikapu, there's nothing money can't buy in the South either! Your part of the island is dominated by the Russian mafia, becaue your banks launder all their illegal earnings. Not just Russian but many other Balkan gangsters too. The crime rate in the south has riched mammoth proportions by Cyprus standards. What has your government been doing about it lately?

BigOz, you don't live here so don't make up stories. I've got a lot of friends and relatives in the banking sector and Russian investments are peanuts compared to the rest.

In fact one of my Koumbaro is the top man in the Bank of Cyprus' currencies trading and I also have a very good friend from school in the stock exchange. We often meet up and discuss banking & finance issues.

The RoC has strict EU guidelines to adhere to so if I were you I'd worry more about the banking sector of the "TRNC"!

[bigOz]

... Yes I do realise, that not everyone will return to their properties, but they should not be forced to lose them either. When the time comes, and you want to buy Mr. and Mrs. Nikolos's land, and they are willing to sell, then pay them out of your own pocket at the market rate, as any civilized nation, then you may enjoy your life, quilt free.

Sure! Just like Mr and Mrs Ahmed and every son daughter, brother, sister buried in a mass grave, and their whole village with thousands of donums was left without a legal owner, because no living relatives were left behind. EOKA simply knocked at their door and asked "will you be kind enough to sell your home to us for the right price?".

Without realising Cyprus problem did not start in 1974 but a decade before, and Greek Cypriots were not the only ones who lost homes, land and lives - you've realised nothing. You are evaluating the whole issue from the GC perspective only as if you are the only one who was hard done by.

Perhaps if I heard more consolatory remarks from the TC's towards a settlement and respect of Human Rights and Democratic values for all Cypriots, then you can rest assure, I will not be talking as much.

Your idea of human rights and democratic values are, those for the TCs only - I do not believe in your sincerety when you claim you want democratic rights or human rights for the TCs. Neither do any of the TCs, so dream on... The truth is ENOSIS is still very much alive and favoured bu many in the South (albeit not by the majority), EOKA-B is a reality, so are some nationalist/racist fanatics we witness in this forum regularly, and most importantly Greek Orthodox Church still believes a good Turk is a dead Turk.

If and whan these values change, come and talk to us about democracy and human rights - we might even take you seriously!

[bigOz]

Kikapu, there's nothing money can't buy in the South either! Your part of the island is dominated by the Russian mafia, becaue your banks launder all their illegal earnings. Not just Russian but many other Balkan gangsters too. The crime rate in the south has riched mammoth proportions by Cyprus standards. What has your government been doing about it lately?

BigOz, you don't live here so don't make up stories. I've got a lot of friends and relatives in the banking sector and Russian investments are peanuts compared to the rest.

In fact one of my Koumbaro is the top man in the Bank of Cyprus' currencies trading and I also have a very good friend from school in the stock exchange. We often meet up and discuss banking & finance issues.

The RoC has strict EU guidelines to adhere to so if I were you I'd worry more about the banking sector of the "TRNC"!

I guess the BBC make up those stories then do they? Here is a quote BBC News just for you: under the heading The Rire and Rise of Russian Mafia"

It is estimated around £16bn ($25bn) of dirty Russian money has left the country since the fall of communism - most of which has been laundered by banks in Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Cyprus.

For further information I suggest you read:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_repo ... /70095.stm

If you are not happy I'll quote you half a dozen other articles...

My whole family is in Cyprus. I am on a temporary assignment in UK and will be returning before the end of the year. I lived most of my life in Cyprus as a very popular person, mixing with everyone from all walks of life, irrespective of their wealth or status. I have a very good idea of what and how my people think, so I do not need to make up stories! (like you do all the time with baseless claims)... GET REAL GR!

[Get Real!]

Your part of the island is dominated by the Russian mafia, becaue your banks launder all their illegal earnings

Read your claim above which I responded to again!

I guess the BBC make up those stories then do they? Here is a quote BBC News just for you: under the heading The Rire and Rise of Russian Mafia"

It is estimated around £16bn ($25bn) of dirty Russian money has left the country since the fall of communism - most of which has been laundered by banks in Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Cyprus.

For further information I suggest you read:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_repo ... /70095.stm

If you are not happy I'll quote you half a dozen other articles...

My whole family is in Cyprus. I am on a temporary assignment in UK and will be returning before the end of the year. I lived most of my life in Cyprus as a very popular person, mixing with everyone from all walks of life, irrespective of their wealth or status. I have a very good idea of what and how my people think, so I do not need to make up stories! (like you do all the time with baseless claims)... GET REAL GR!

None of this you post suggest or prove that Cyprus "is dominated by the Russian mafia"!!!

Your claim is nothing short of exaggeration.

[Kikapu]

... Yes I do realise, that not everyone will return to their properties, but they should not be forced to lose them either. When the time comes, and you want to buy Mr. and Mrs. Nikolos's land, and they are willing to sell, then pay them out of your own pocket at the market rate, as any civilized nation, then you may enjoy your life, quilt free.

Sure! Just like Mr and Mrs Ahmed and every son daughter, brother, sister buried in a mass grave, and their whole village with thousands of donums was left without a legal owner, because no living relatives were left behind. EOKA simply knocked at their door and asked "will you be kind enough to sell your home to us for the right price?".

Without realising Cyprus problem did not start in 1974 but a decade before, and Greek Cypriots were not the only ones who lost homes, land and lives - you've realised nothing. You are evaluating the whole issue from the GC perspective only as if you are the only one who was hard done by.

Perhaps if I heard more consolatory remarks from the TC's towards a settlement and respect of Human Rights and Democratic values for all Cypriots, then you can rest assure, I will not be talking as much.

Your idea of human rights and democratic values are, those for the TCs only - I do not believe in your sincerety when you claim you want democratic rights or human rights for the TCs. Neither do any of the TCs, so dream on... The truth is ENOSIS is still very much alive and favoured bu many in the South (albeit not by the majority), EOKA-B is a reality, so are some nationalist/racist fanatics we witness in this forum regularly, and most importantly Greek Orthodox Church still believes a good Turk is a dead Turk.

If and whan these values change, come and talk to us about democracy and human rights - we might even take you seriously!

I made a joke the other day, on your "welcoming post", by saying that " I see that you are familiar with "Zan" and "Viewpoint", but now I see, that you are just one of them.!

I wished you did more reading on members posts, before lecturing others, on the Cyprus issues and what they know and what they went through since 1963.

So you are popular in the "TRNC". What are the guide lines these days of being popular, or are there any, since living in a "corrupt society", would only require bribery and special favours.

You sound like, you are good at what you do.!!

[DT.]

... Yes I do realise, that not everyone will return to their properties, but they should not be forced to lose them either. When the time comes, and you want to buy Mr. and Mrs. Nikolos's land, and they are willing to sell, then pay them out of your own pocket at the market rate, as any civilized nation, then you may enjoy your life, quilt free.

Sure! Just like Mr and Mrs Ahmed and every son daughter, brother, sister buried in a mass grave, and their whole village with thousands of donums was left without a legal owner, because no living relatives were left behind. EOKA simply knocked at their door and asked "will you be kind enough to sell your home to us for the right price?".

Without realising Cyprus problem did not start in 1974 but a decade before, and Greek Cypriots were not the only ones who lost homes, land and lives - you've realised nothing. You are evaluating the whole issue from the GC perspective only as if you are the only one who was hard done by.

Perhaps if I heard more consolatory remarks from the TC's towards a settlement and respect of Human Rights and Democratic values for all Cypriots, then you can rest assure, I will not be talking as much.

Your idea of human rights and democratic values are, those for the TCs only - I do not believe in your sincerety when you claim you want democratic rights or human rights for the TCs. Neither do any of the TCs, so dream on... The truth is ENOSIS is still very much alive and favoured bu many in the South (albeit not by the majority), EOKA-B is a reality, so are some nationalist/racist fanatics we witness in this forum regularly, and most importantly Greek Orthodox Church still believes a good Turk is a dead Turk.

If and whan these values change, come and talk to us about democracy and human rights - we might even take you seriously!

I made a joke the other day, on your "welcoming post", by saying that " I see that you are familiar with "Zan" and "Viewpoint", but now I see, that you are just one of them.!

I wished you did more reading on members posts, before lecturing others, on the Cyprus issues and what they know and what they went through since 1963.

So you are popular in the "TRNC". What are the guide lines these days of being popular, or are there any, since living in a "corrupt society", would only require bribery and special favours.

You sound like, you are good at what you do.!!

where the hell does this idiot get off???I don't get pissed off very easily on this forum but for someone to jump in and strart spouting garbage about how much he knows the ROC, the finance sector, the political beliefs of GC's etc is beyond me.

Enosis is alive???? We're in the EU you imbecile. It doesn't get any closer than that, we have the same currency, and partake in the same council and parliament in Brussels. We do not have to show passports to go there and they don't have to show anything either. Just like any Swedish or Italian citizen. Who the hell still wants ENOSIS????

Eoka B is a reality????? What are you smoking mate? WHo exactly is in EOKA B now? What are their aims? The enosis you mention above? Or are these 70 year old has beens going to go out and start slaughtering people?

And whats more you think by spouting off all this bullshit, while your fellow TC is sitting in my house in Morphou, it gives you the right to lecture me about Human rights? Read the charter matey....I spit on the graves of the psycopaths that committed crimes against the TC's in the 60's in the same manner that I wish the worst on the Turkish soldiers that committed the crimes against my village.

What do you do other than try to make an impression with your parading popularity in the occupied areas?

Asihtir pou thame.

[zan]

Lift the embargoes and life couldn't be better.

Life will be better for all Cypriots, when every one's Human Rights and Properties are returned, and that the country can function as one with 2 separate states, with freedom of movement to everyone, living in a Democracy that every ones rights are protected.

All the above will make all of us a better person mrfromng, and not the present situation.

As far as the "free TC" comment mrfromng, there's nothing money can't buy in the "TRNC", if one was inclined to pay "ransom".

So basically you are saying lets go back to pre 74. That just isn't possible. If we ever made that mistake we will live to regret it for the rest of our lives.

Kikapu you must be under the impression we are all gloating with delight re the predicament our GC neighbours are in. That is just not true. Our values and principles are no less than yours. Please stop giving us lectures on human rights and democracy Etc etc. we are no less human than you or the likes of you.

What you got to do is to accept that we are all victims of circumstances and that a final solution to the problem will leave some people happy, some not so happy and a good number of them suicidal. That's just the way it is, like it or lump it.

Let me guess, as to which category you, VP's, and Zan's would like to end up in...HAPPY. I'm not against you all being Happy, in fact that will be a good thing, but not at the expense of others. Yes I do realise, that not everyone will return to their properties, but they should not be forced to lose them either. When the time comes, and you want to buy Mr. and Mrs. Nikolos's land, and they are willing to sell, then pay them out of your own pocket at the market rate, as any civilized nation, then you may enjoy your life, quilt free.

And yes mrfromng, there are people that do gloat, of having gotten GC land for very cheap and will not want a settlement, because of their gains. I even saw my cousin's husband gloating, while visiting Cyprus last month. And let's not forget VP's comment, which started this conversation, when he wrote " like 80% of TC's are saying, we are better of as we are, sod them". VP does not sound as if he is showing any remorse to the predicament that our GC neighbours are in, does he mrfromng.?

Perhaps if I heard more consolatory remarks from the TC's towards a settlement and respect of Human Rights and Democratic values for all Cypriots, then you can rest assure, I will not be talking as much.

Why don't you just stop talking shit for once in your life. "Not at the expense of others". Who has been profiting from the trades in Cyprus when we have been left to rot. Who has had the mega big monster share of the tourist trade while we have been left to rot. Who has had the freedom to trade with whom they like when we have been left to rot.

Go on tell me that we did it to our selves you worthless so called Turkish Cypriot. If those killed by the EOKA murderers could just get up and look you in the eye for just one second you would turn to stone and rot where you stood.

Do yourself a favor and get the hell back to the TRNC and see who you really are. At the moment you are a nobody. A lost soul that thinks he knows what he is but really has no idea. "Not at the expense of others". We give our lives. We get chased out of our country and we lose our identity and you believe we are where we are because we are benefiting at the expense of others. What a crock of shit. You do not qualify as a Turkish Cypriot or a Cypriot. You are a traitor to both.

[TOTIS MILIOTIS]

Who has been profiting from the trades in Cyprus when we have been left to rot. Who has had the mega big monster share of the tourist trade while we have been left to rot. Who has had the freedom to trade with whom they like when we have been left to rot.


This my freind is just because you are staying in an inlegal state. In line with International law a lawfull state can not be created by arms and invasion.This is the real reason for which the rest of the World do not regognise your "state". Is not because they love GC but they can not do otherwise, as legally elected governments they can not go against the international law.On big mistake is that the embarco in north C applied because of GC. Fyg they do not have such a power ,political or other- Embarco is a resul of the application of the international law.

This is also the reason for which (Turkish position) that the Cyprus problem solved in 1974 is wrong.

You have ofcourse rights an indeed many however what you are requesting is over any imagination- No other Nation or Ethnicity would accepted a minority of max 18 per cent to control the rules of a society where the rest population feel diferently.

Regarding our friend TC from UK i want to say that i have visited only once the occupied area and many many times the mainland Turkey- I never felt any danger or difficulty to communicate and make company with local people- actualy I have many friends in mainland Turkey.All this however is based on one clear fact -I am Greek they are Turks and we respect each other's Nationality and history.

A solution in Cyprus must b based on this fact of clear Nationalities which by necessity have to leave in a piece of land-basic rules to apply but if we try to change the societies in order to create a new one with no differences then we have to wait for centuries.