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Postby bigOz » Tue May 15, 2007 5:31 pm

mrfromng wrote:Get Real, (I wish he would)
BIgOz, I should quickly mention that the Wikipedia link “Inter-communal Violence” you keep quoting is garbage written by a TC idiot and it was actually my job 2-3 months ago to do a complete rewrite of that and blow it away but the assignment was passed on to someone else, a guy called “Angelo” I think, because I didn’t have enough time at the time and it looks like he neglected that or something.

The bottom line is that ANYONE can write up articles for the Wikipedia which is why I insist that it is NOT a credible source to study and quote from


And I guess you rewriting it would have made it more credible? What a joker.

welcome bigOz,

I promised never to post on this forum for obvious reasons but I had to say hello to you. I remember you flying over Mare Monte dropping fliers for your brothers club. I always sh*t myself thinking this guy is flying too low and too slow, he's gonna fuc*ing stall it but you always handled her like an ace.

welcome and good luck with our GC friends who has mastered the art of living in denial.:lol: :lol: .

Thanks "mrfromng" - you have not picked a very easy username have you? :lol:

So you were the fellow I saw from up there, swimming in circles around all the girls like a shark. :lol:

I think forums like this could provide a good discussion arena for differing thoughts and views that can provide us all with a more realistic view of where we stand. There is clearly much biased info flying around and some groundless accusations, but that is expected of any environment where many people participate. I hope you continue to contribute your share. :D
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Postby growuptcs » Tue May 15, 2007 5:37 pm

bigoz and company, your only trained to talk in circles not solutions. I'm starting to believe the GC's that answer with long posts to all your nonsense are part of the cycle. I call for them not to donate so much time answering back with long or many posts. Its like your doing twenty years in jail, and the GC's are keeping you occupied for that whole time. Should I attach a link for you guys so you can play backgammon?
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Postby zan » Tue May 15, 2007 5:42 pm

mrfromng wrote:Get Real, (I wish he would)
BIgOz, I should quickly mention that the Wikipedia link “Inter-communal Violence” you keep quoting is garbage written by a TC idiot and it was actually my job 2-3 months ago to do a complete rewrite of that and blow it away but the assignment was passed on to someone else, a guy called “Angelo” I think, because I didn’t have enough time at the time and it looks like he neglected that or something.

The bottom line is that ANYONE can write up articles for the Wikipedia which is why I insist that it is NOT a credible source to study and quote from


And I guess you rewriting it would have made it more credible? What a joker.



welcome bigOz,

I promised never to post on this forum for obvious reasons but I had to say hello to you. I remember you flying over Mare Monte dropping fliers for your brothers club. I always sh*t myself thinking this guy is flying too low and too slow, he's gonna fuc*ing stall it but you always handled her like an ace.

welcome and good luck with our GC friends who has mastered the art of living in denial.:lol: :lol: .




I am happy to hear that you are still reading mrfromng. Hope you are well. Pop in and see us now and again will you. Good luck my friend.
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Postby Piratis » Tue May 15, 2007 5:44 pm

Bir, personally I see why the TCs act in the way they do and if I was in their place I would probably do almost the same. As I said many times, we humans, are greedy by nature. I am like that too. I am quite rich, I have my house, my food, my car, my luxuries, and yet some people die from hunger. Is that fair? No, but I have some lame excuses to give to myself to make me feel OK with my conscience.

So my friend I am afraid you are just a rare exception to the rule of greediness.

This is why I believe it is Utopian to think that 100s of thousands of people will change their nature. That will never happen.

A fair solution to the Cyprus Problem will come only when such a fair solution will be for the benefit of all and nobody will believe that they can gain something on the loss of others. For this to happen a "balanced" balance of power is required.

I also perfectly understand the honest concerns of TCs. But if it was just those honest concerns without the greediness and the interests of Turkey, then the Cyprus problem would have been solved long time ago. Unfortunately today those concerns are exaggerated by a degree of 100 and used merely as an excuse by those that want to use the current balance of power to gain on the loss of others.
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Postby T_C » Tue May 15, 2007 5:49 pm

growuptcs wrote:bigoz and company, your only trained to talk in circles not solutions. I'm starting to believe the GC's that answer with long posts to all your nonsense are part of the cycle. I call for them not to donate so much time answering back with long or many posts. Its like your doing twenty years in jail, and the GC's are keeping you occupied for that whole time.


When the going gets tough the GCs....get going! :lol:

Why don't you tell us what exactly you don't agree with instead of making one general statement as if what you say is going to change peoples
minds? :roll: What are you anyways, their master? :roll:

Still the likes of you are doing exactly what TCs want you to do...you're fighting our cause with your ignorance. Thanks 8)
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Postby Kifeas » Tue May 15, 2007 5:52 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:Viewpoint,Zan,turkish_cypriot,bigOz...Thank you all for resonding to my post.Please excuse me for not responding to you individually,but I truly do not have the time...

There is no doubt the biggest obstacle is "trust" as you said,bigOz...
And I have often criticised the Papadopoulos government for doing nothing to foster more trust between the communities.Talat and co are doing nothing about it either,so we can safely agree that the "governments" are not going to do anything about anything...They seem to be content with the status quo...

My whole point/dream revolves around the "trust" coming from the bottom up,from the people...I never said it was going to be easy,turkish_cypriot...But the key is empathy...coming from both sides...When we<TCs>can see the issues from the GC point of view,and when the GCs can see the issues from the TC point of view,the solution to the problem will not be far away...

I being from TC origin,try to see things from the GC point...As objectively as I can...You have to give our compatriots these points...Talat can decide nothing by himself,it is true that all depends on Turkey and especially on the political influence of the Military.Why should Tpapa talk to Talat and elevate him to equal status??? Turkey did not stay in Cyprus to protect the TCs...That can be done by placing a special division of 20,000 troops somewhere like Mersin,and keeping a rapid strike force at the ready always...They would only be 7 munites away by jet plane...
Turkey has illegally divided the island,and became an occupier against all international conventions...I am also on record for saying the initial intervention was legal...That became an invasion when Turkey did not restore the legitimate Republic of Cyprus as agreed under the 1960 consititution...Turkey again contravened the Geneva agreement by bringing in the settlers to replace the indigenous population of GCs and TCs who fled to the South or overseas...So Turkey has turned the whole thing into a batttle of political wits between the RoC and herself.And now with Cyprus in the EU the game is played on that stage...There is a good chance that one day when the TC presence in Cyprus becomes totally negligible,and when Cyprus issue is the only one standing between Turkey and the EU membership,there is every possibility that Turkey will dictate a referandum to the "new" Cypriots who have no alliegence to Cyprus at all,and pull them all back to Turkey...Game over for TCs...Now remember I am looking at it from the GC point of view...And I understand every move they make...Can I be sure that they will succeed?Of course not...They could end up losing the baby with the bathwater...But that is not the point.If that happens we hve all lost...All Cypriots...TCs because they have become culturally extinct...and GCs because they have become Turkish subjects again...There is one sure way of making that Cypriots win out of this madness...Putting our Cypriotness first,and reuniting in a democratic Republic with full respect for human rights and equal opportunity principles,under the gaze of the EU institutions to protect people's human rights...20% is a very substantial minority,and with right policies we can easily maintain our uniquness as Turkish speaking Cypriots of Islamic persuation...Any othe endevour will end up in disaster for both sides...Now I need at least one GC on this forum to empathise with the TCs and see the issues from the TC point of view.Because if no one does that,people like VP will jump up and down and say "you see,why should we be the ones to compromise all the time"...and to be honest,I won't know how to answer him...



Brother, as you know, we GCs have seen and taken the TC needs and desires into consideration, and even though historically we were the majority all over the island, and have our properties and our traces of cultural heritage spread all over the island, in a uniform way, we have accepted in principle to reformulate the statehood of our country under a federal system, that will guarantee and provide the TCs a way to maintain their distinct cultural identity and also to provide to them an effective representation and participation in the decision making process that will be running the country. What we have already long time ago accepted in principle, as a solution to the Cyprus issue, namely a BBF, is by itself an unprecedented in magnitude compromise on the part of a majority towards a minority of less than 1/5 of the population! There is no other such similar case in the world, with similar historical and demographic parameters and characteristics, in which a majority of more than 4/5ths has made in principle so many concessions to a minority of less than 1/5th! Therefore, what you have asked us to do, above; we have already done it and have accepted to compromise on certain previously unthinkable and unimaginable for us things and issues, just for the sake of peace and so that the TC community will feel more secure to prosper, with all its dignity and pride intact and in place!

However, bigOz came here and started dancing like a monkey, by posting a whole list (a bunch) of provocative and insulting lies, inaccuracies and distortions, and then he had the audacity to talk about re-unifications and solutions! I am so much pissed off, that even if half the TCs are assholes, jankasses, liars, manipulators and distorters like himself (as it unfortunately seems to be the case -judging from the reaction of other TCs in here;) not only I personally do not have the stomach and the appetite for any sort of agreement and /or reunification with him and his community, but in fact I do not even want to know, talk or see them in front of me –set aside to regard them as my compatriots! Therefore, I would rather accept to completely lose as much as 18% of my country so that we keep separate and partitioned for ever, or instead, I would wait until the day we as a RoC will have the power and will seize the chance to completely kick them out of Cyprus, in the same way that their prostitute “motherland” came here and ethnically cleansed us from the occupied north of our country, 33 years ago; even if this will be after 50 or 100 years from now! In the meantime, we will try to do as much harm to their motherland as possible, starting from having it locked out of the EU and having it kicked out of the Council of Europe

I am truly sorry for the few TCs here, like Birkibrisli and kikapu, that I do love and respect and who will unfortunately have to read the above, however, I cannot possibly imagine how I would ever be able to regard creatures like bigOz and his likes, that seem to be the majority here and in the north, as my compatriots!
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Postby MR-from-NG » Tue May 15, 2007 5:57 pm

growuptcs wrote:bigoz and company, your only trained to talk in circles not solutions. I'm starting to believe the GC's that answer with long posts to all your nonsense are part of the cycle. I call for them not to donate so much time answering back with long or many posts. Its like your doing twenty years in jail, and the GC's are keeping you occupied for that whole time. Should I attach a link for you guys so you can play backgammon?


We served our time between 63 and 74. And yes you kept us occupied alright, we had to keep watch the whole time in fear of another attack for a total wipe out of of all the TCs.

One thing though, you are absolutely correct regarding long posts. Please have a word with Piratis about this, the man is a fuc*ing head case. Nobody pays attention, why does he bother?
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Postby Piratis » Tue May 15, 2007 6:01 pm

Piratis - I did not say it is a "Greek problem"! It is a problem between GCs and TCs. It used to involve mainlkand Greece and Turkey in the past but that is history now.


Turkish troops illegally occupy 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus. The problem is first between Turkey and RoC, the two countries which are at war since 1974.

It is as if everyone is looking for an opportunity to grab something. Forget all that because the changes of 33 years (right or wrong) cannot be reversed now - and in any case TCs will not agree to it. In the right proportion TCs had also left land, businesses and homes in the South.


We are not going to forget about our homeland. If it is easy for you to forget your homeland then maybe all TCs should just move to Turkey and problem solved.
And don't tell me that TCs left land in the south in the same proportion as the land they grabbed in the north. The TCs own less than 18% of land and they grabbed twice as much.

If this is going to be one Cyprus with a single Citizenship, what does it matter if the citizens exchanged land and property long time ago. They will still be in one country and one nation - so where is the problem?

The problem is that nobody exchanged land. How about this way: We will buy all your land in twice the market value, and you go buy nice properties in Turkey or elsewhere. If for you abandoning your villages and towns is not a problem, then I am sure my offer should be very good. Right?

The immediate problem is establishing mutual trust and earning the respect of the other side.

Sure. Respect for me means to give us back our land and human rights, and you get back yours. Do you agree to respect me?


Get rid of the education system that preches hatred of Turk and Greek. Make it illegal for any priest or hodja to preach racist hate, and give it 10 years or so. There will not even be a need for any UN plans, people of Cyprus will become one nation practising their own religion and members fluent in 2 languages. The only difference between the two will be one wearing a cross and the other not.

Sure, I agree with that. Do I need to gift to you my home and property in order to agree also though?

Put your hand on your heart and answer me this: If you were to walk into a cafe in North London, would you be able to tell the difference between the Turkish and Greek cypriots playing cards (as long as they did not speak), by just looking at their facial fearures and physique? There is your answer!


There is your answer ;) One Cyprus, with equal citizens without borders, racist discriminations and divisions.
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Postby zan » Tue May 15, 2007 6:01 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:Viewpoint,Zan,turkish_cypriot,bigOz...Thank you all for resonding to my post.Please excuse me for not responding to you individually,but I truly do not have the time...

There is no doubt the biggest obstacle is "trust" as you said,bigOz...
And I have often criticised the Papadopoulos government for doing nothing to foster more trust between the communities.Talat and co are doing nothing about it either,so we can safely agree that the "governments" are not going to do anything about anything...They seem to be content with the status quo...

My whole point/dream revolves around the "trust" coming from the bottom up,from the people...I never said it was going to be easy,turkish_cypriot...But the key is empathy...coming from both sides...When we<TCs>can see the issues from the GC point of view,and when the GCs can see the issues from the TC point of view,the solution to the problem will not be far away...

and then you go on and crucify us

I being from TC origin,try to see things from the GC point...As objectively as I can...You have to give our compatriots these points...Talat can decide nothing by himself,it is true that all depends on Turkey and especially on the political influence of the Military.Why should Tpapa talk to Talat and elevate him to equal status???Because of the word you stated "Trust" Turkey did not stay in Cyprus to protect the TCs...That can be done by placing a special division of 20,000 troops somewhere like Mersin,and keeping a rapid strike force at the ready always...They would only be 7 munites away by jet plane...
You admitted to me a while back that once Turkey leaves the island, landing an army again, especially with modern weapons would be impossible. Why the change of heart all of a sudden?
Turkey has illegally divided the island,and became an occupier against all international conventions...I am also on record for saying the initial intervention was legal...That became an invasion when Turkey did not restore the legitimate Republic of Cyprus as agreed under the 1960 consititution...TO WHOM Turkey again contravened the Geneva agreement by bringing in the settlers to replace the indigenous population of GCs and TCs who fled to the South or overseas...So Turkey has turned the whole thing into a batttle of political wits between the RoC and herself.What was the Makarios playing before then...tiddly winksAnd now with Cyprus in the EU the game is played on that stage...There is a good chance that one day when the TC presence in Cyprus becomes totally negligible,and when Cyprus issue is the only one standing between Turkey and the EU membership,there is every possibility that Turkey will dictate a referandum to the "new" Cypriots who have no alliegence to Cyprus at all,and pull them all back to Turkey...Game over for TCs You and Kikapu can regenerate the TC population because you will be living in the south...Now remember I am looking at it from the GC point of view...And I understand every move they make...Can I be sure that they will succeed?Of course not...They could end up losing the baby with the bathwater...But that is not the point.If that happens we hve all lost...All Cypriots...TCs because they have become culturally extinct...and GCs because they have become Turkish subjects again...There is one sure way of making that Cypriots win out of this madness...Putting our Cypriotness first,and reuniting in a democratic Republic with full respect for human rights and equal opportunity principles,under the gaze of the EU institutions to protect people's human rights...20% is a very substantial minority,and with right policies we can easily maintain our uniquness as Turkish speaking Cypriots of Islamic persuation...Any othe endevour will end up in disaster for both sides...Now I need at least one GC on this forum to empathise with the TCs and see the issues from the TC point of view.Because if no one does that,people like VP will jump up and down and say "you see,why should we be the ones to compromise all the time"...and to be honest,I won't know how to answer him...
Sorry bir but this is not a compromise, it is giving up. The "RoC" or their leader before then have done nothing to make my life fit into their way of life because they see us as outsiders and always will. I am not an outsider and I never will be and those that come to live in my country are Cypriots too. You are still trying to sell us the "RoC" as if it is the pwerfect place to be and it is not. You are obviously happy with it but there are thousands of people that are living just a stones throw away that are saying that they are not and you nor the "RoC" are listening to them.
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Postby growuptcs » Tue May 15, 2007 6:03 pm

Nothing I say tc will change anyones mind, you know that. But being on this site for a few years now and always walking into a foodfight is just lame. GC's should either do some charity work for a good cause, or just work more to keep the mind out of the devils playground. I'm no better than anyone, but I'm learning to do more useful things with my free time than just keep hollaring at people that live in an uncivilized world. The only thing to do is wait for Turkey to become civilized, however long that transition takes. The GC's know that as well, so many posts a day proves nothing.
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