DT wrote:BAsically BigOz is saying that all Greeks are morons for believeing that the Greeks did nothing wrong. he does this by showing us how the Turks did nothing wrong....
You have definitely proved what a moron you are by taking out of context what I have said and misrepresenting it (again)! I never said Turks did nothing wrong - show me where I say that or stop chatting shite! On the contrary, I have said Turkish army could have raped and shot GCs but so did the Greek army and further stated that both were WRONG! Which part of this argument is it exactly your brain cells do not comprehend?
As for cypezokyli's false interpretation of what I had claimed I believe turkish_cypriot put him on the right tracks. I am clearly referring to 33 years of peace since the invasion by the Turkish army. Learn some mathematics when you find time from learning flawed politics; 2007-33 = 1974! Comprende? Trying to attack every thing I write with your persistent misrepresentations will only show what a fool you are!
What a joke. First of all the inter-communal conflict was over by 1968, the Turkish invasion had nothing to do with it.
Secondly, the Turkish invasion killed 6000 people and ethnically cleansed 200.000. Do you think thats a way to bring peace? I wonder if you would say the same if the TCs are ethnically cleansed from Cyprus to bring "peace".
Nobody denies that GCs did some crimes as well. The fact is however is that the conflict between Greeks and Turks in Cyprus was started by the the Turks, that the Turks did 100 times more crimes against us than the other way around, and that the Turks are the ones who insist on committing crimes as we speak.
There had been great efforts by EOKA since 1960 to ethnically cleanse the island from Turks. Near enough 200,000 TCs do live in UK, Australia, U.S.A. and rest of Europe - not forgetting those who chose to move to Turkey.
Perhaps you would like to back your claim by stating exactly when the Turks first attacked the Greeks. Meanwhile Isuggest you read the following quote
form Wikipadia Encyclopedia, under the heading "Cyprus intercommunal vilonece":The first signs of intercommunal conflict on the island appeared when the British conscripted Turkish Cypriots into the police force that patrolled Cyprus. Arif Hasan Tahsin a Turkish Cypriot that joined the Colonial police and eventually rose as the number two in hierarchy of the Turkish Cypriots in his book[6] notes: "It is a fact that the Turks fought against Greek Cypriots not just because they wanted Enosis". EOKA would target colonial authorities including police men. Both British and Turkish police men would die in exchange of fire. The eventual death of Turkish Cypriot policemen were met with anti-Greek riots by the Turkish community while the British authorities would remained passive. Greek stores and neighborhoods would be burned and Greek civilians would be injured or killed. Such events createed chaos and brought the communities apart both in Cyprus and in Turkey.
Moving on to 1963 conflict - again from Wikipedia Encyclopedia of the same heading as above:On 21 December 1963, a Turkish Cypriot crowd clashed with the plainclothes special constables of Yorgadjis. Almost immediately an organised attack by Greek Cypriot paramilitaries was launched upon Turkish Cypriots in Nicosia and Larnaca. Though the TMT - now charged with defending the Turkish Cypriots - committed a number of acts of retaliation, Kyle notes “there is no doubt that the main victims of the numerous incidents that took place during the next few months were Turks”.[18] 700 Turkish hostages, including women and children, were taken from the northern suburbs of Nicosia. Nikos Sampson led a group of Greek Cypriot irregulars into the mixed suburb of Omorphita and massacred the Turkish Cypriot population indiscriminately.[19] By 1964, 193 Turkish Cypriots and 133 Greek Cypriots were killed, with a further 209 Turks and 41 Greeks missing, presumed dead.
Approximately 20,000 Turkish Cypriots fled their villages to live in enclaves, much of their homes subsequently being looted.[20] As Professor Clement Dodd notes, referring to the majority of the Turkish Cypriot population “They had, of necessity, to relocate themselves in about 3 per cent of the land they owned, estimated at about 34 per cent of Cyprus. Many left the country in those years to seek living in Britain, Australia and Turkey, and elsewhere, with active encouragement by Greek Cypriots.”[21] Dodd's estimate would mean that about 118,000 people were crammed into a space of less than 95 square kilometres.
Events of 1964-1967Turkey had by now readied its fleet and its fighter jets became visible over Nicosia, but were dissuaded from direct involvement by the creation of a United Nations Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP) in 1964. Despite the negotiated ceasefire in Nicosia, attacks on the Turkish Cypriot still persisted, particularly in Limmasol. Concerned at the possibility of a Turkish invasion, Makarios undertook the creation of a Greek Cypriot conscript based army entitled the National Guard. A general from Greece would take charge of the army, whilst a further 20,000 well equipped officers and men were smuggled from Greece into Cyprus. Turkey threatened to intervene once more, but was prevented by a strongly worded letter from the American President Lyndon B. Johnson, anxious to avoid a conflict between NATO allies Greece and Turkey at the height of the Cold War.
Turkish Cypriots had by now established an important bridgehead at Kokkina, providing them with arms, volunteers and materials from Turkey and abroad. Seeing this incursion of foreign weapons and troops as a major threat, the Cypriot government invited George Grivas to return from Greece as commander of the Greek troops on the island and launch a major attack on the bridgehead. Turkey retaliated by dispatching its fighter jets to bomb Greek positions, causing Makarios to threaten an attack on every Turkish Cypriot village on the island if the bombings did not cease. The conflict had now drawn in Greece and Turkey, with both countries ammasing troops on their Thracian borders. Efforts at mediation by Dean Acheson, a former Secretary of State, and UN appointed mediator Galo Plaza had failed, all the while the division of the two communities becoming more apparent. Greek Cypriot forces were estimated at some 30,000, including the National Guard as well as the large contingent from Greece. Defending the Turkish Cypriot enclaves was a force of approximately 5,000 irregulars, led by a Turkish colonel, but lacking the equipment and organization of the Greek forces.
The situation had worsensed in 1967, when a military junta had overthrown the democratically elected government of Greece, and began applying pressure on Makarios to achieve enosis. Makarios, not wishing to become part of a military dictatorship, nor in triggering a Turkish invasion, began to distance himself from the goal of enosis. This caused tensions with the junta in Greece as well as George Grivas in Cyprus. Grivas's control over the National Guard and Greek contingent was seen as a threat to Makarios's position, who now feared a possible coup. Grivas escalated the conflict when his armed units began patrolling the Turkish Cypriot encalves of Ayios Theodhoros and Kophinou, and on November 15 engaged in heavy fighting with the Turkish Cypriots. By the time of his withdrawal 26 Turkish Cypriots had been killed. Turkey replied with an ultimatum for Grivas to be removed from the island, along with the troops smuggled from Greece in excess of the limits of the Treaty of Alliance as well as lifting the economic blockades on the Turkish Cypriot enclaves. Grivas resigned his position and 12,000 Greek troops were duly withdrawn, with Makarios now attempting to consolidate his position by reducing the number of National Guard troops, as well as creating a paramilitary force loyal to Cypriot independence. In 1968, acknowledging that enosis was now all but impossible, Makarios stated "A solution by necessity must be sought within the limits of what is feasible which does not always coincide with the limits of what is desirable."
The above are not rubbish but historic facts as presented by a non-Turkish encyclopedia! I hope it puts an end to all the stupid claims and allegations people keep coming up with. Everyone must learn that "Denying and Lying" policy will not solve the Cyprus problem in another millon years. The TCs are very aware of the above and they will not be fooled. When both sides agree to the existance of extreeme elements and make a real effort to get rid of them (more so on Greek side with EOKA-B) only then sensible discussions about a united island can be made until then it is all a big "GAGAGUGULAGALUNGA"!
