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[alexISS]

What has 'MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATURK'(:wink:) got to do with Cyprus anyways? Why should we hesitate to mention his name?

Well, one of his sayings is written on a certain mountain in Cyprus but whatever...

[denizaksulu]

If Turkish Cypriot read my originol post carefully, he would have noticed KA's wish for "peace at home and peace in the world" and my wish for "peace in Cyprus". No harm in that is there? Gadalavis?

[BirKibrisli]

DA is yours truly and KA is somebody who Bir Kibrisli has issues with. Between me and you (and the whole world)KA = Kemal Ataturk. I tried to be a bit discreet, trying not to upset some people, but its impossible to not to sometimes. No offence intended to you.

I have no issues with Kemal Ataturk,DA..
He was one of the most outstanding military and political figures of the 20th century,the saviour and hero to his people,the people of Turkey...

I have issues with people who, like a bull in china shop, come here and do not realise(or know very well but don't care) that he is a very provocative figure for the Greeks,and to a lesser extend for the GCs...

I know what he really meant with his two most famous slogans (How Happy is He Who Can Call Himself a Turk and One Turk Equals the Whole World).They were entirely for internal comsumption,never meant to be taken literally and used to beat people, who had the misfortune of not being Turkish, around the head...
The funny thing is,if I were a fanatical nationalist TC I would have issues with KA,because it was under his watch that Turkey wiped her hands off Cyprus and the TCs...

[denizaksulu]

I am aware of the result of the treaty of Laussanne. Maybe you should put the blame on others; Inonu perhaps (if you want to play the blame game). But if you understood the period and history at the time you would have been aware of how tired Turkey was of hundreds of years of war, war and more war where millions of Turkish soldiers were lost and Turkey was quickly running out of man power. Turkey was a "tired" nation. Hence KA's quotation for his desire for peace, which I also quote. Are you aware of the pressure Turkey was under to join the World War II. Churchill threatened to raze Istanbul to the ground if Turkey did not join the allies. KA's successors managed with careful diplomacy to steer away from the conflict. Also Churchill was the number one Turk hater (Gallipoli). Turkey was not to forget that. Lesson over. Any more questions? I will always try to oblige. When I put the initials KA it was to acknowledge a quote, and to respect the senses of our Greek friends. Your questions brought it out in the open.(not that I was hiding the name of the father of the Turks.)

[BirKibrisli]

I am aware of the result of the treaty of Laussanne. Maybe you should put the blame on others; Inonu perhaps (if you want to play the blame game). But if you understood the period and history at the time you would have been aware of how tired Turkey was of hundreds of years of war, war and more war where millions of Turkish soldiers were lost and Turkey was quickly running out of man power. Turkey was a "tired" nation. Hence KA's quotation for his desire for peace, which I also quote. Are you aware of the pressure Turkey was under to join the World War II. Churchill threatened to raze Istanbul to the ground if Turkey did not join the allies. KA's successors managed with careful diplomacy to steer away from the conflict. Also Churchill was the number one Turk hater (Gallipoli). Turkey was not to forget that. Lesson over. Any more questions? I will always try to oblige. When I put the initials KA it was to acknowledge a quote, and to respect the senses of our Greek friends. Your questions brought it out in the open.(not that I was hiding the name of the father of the Turks.)

I don't want to put the blame on anyone,DA...
And I know exactly the situation KA was under.The last book I read on the subject was "Shu cilgin Turkler... ) and I think Inonu was a particularly good statesman...In any case I think it is health to have things out in the open DA...If we are to foster understanding and trust,people should know where we are all coming from...I wasn't really trying to censor you,you know.It was a light hearted warning to see how you will take it...Glad to say you passed the test...

[miltiades]

I am aware of the result of the treaty of Laussanne. Maybe you should put the blame on others; Inonu perhaps (if you want to play the blame game). But if you understood the period and history at the time you would have been aware of how tired Turkey was of hundreds of years of war, war and more war where millions of Turkish soldiers were lost and Turkey was quickly running out of man power. Turkey was a "tired" nation. Hence KA's quotation for his desire for peace, which I also quote. Are you aware of the pressure Turkey was under to join the World War II. Churchill threatened to raze Istanbul to the ground if Turkey did not join the allies. KA's successors managed with careful diplomacy to steer away from the conflict. Also Churchill was the number one Turk hater (Gallipoli). Turkey was not to forget that. Lesson over. Any more questions? I will always try to oblige. When I put the initials KA it was to acknowledge a quote, and to respect the senses of our Greek friends. Your questions brought it out in the open.(not that I was hiding the name of the father of the Turks.)

In a post some time back I expressed my admiration for perhaps the greatest and most influential Turk ever. KA not only modernised Turkey and laid down the foundations of modern Turkey but remains today the guiding force that retains Turkey on the road towards progress .I wonder what his position regarding Turkey's EU ambitions would be today.

[BirKibrisli]

I am aware of the result of the treaty of Laussanne. Maybe you should put the blame on others; Inonu perhaps (if you want to play the blame game). But if you understood the period and history at the time you would have been aware of how tired Turkey was of hundreds of years of war, war and more war where millions of Turkish soldiers were lost and Turkey was quickly running out of man power. Turkey was a "tired" nation. Hence KA's quotation for his desire for peace, which I also quote. Are you aware of the pressure Turkey was under to join the World War II. Churchill threatened to raze Istanbul to the ground if Turkey did not join the allies. KA's successors managed with careful diplomacy to steer away from the conflict. Also Churchill was the number one Turk hater (Gallipoli). Turkey was not to forget that. Lesson over. Any more questions? I will always try to oblige. When I put the initials KA it was to acknowledge a quote, and to respect the senses of our Greek friends. Your questions brought it out in the open.(not that I was hiding the name of the father of the Turks.)

In a post some time back I expressed my admiration for perhaps the greatest and most influential Turk ever. KA not only modernised Turkey and laid down the foundations of modern Turkey but remains today the guiding force that retains Turkey on the road towards progress .I wonder what his position regarding Turkey's EU ambitions would be today.

If Ataturk was alive today Turkey would've been a founding member of the EU,dear miltiades...And there would be no Kemalism as it is practised today...

[alexISS]

If Ataturk was alive today Turkey would've been a founding member of the EU,dear miltiades...And there would be no Kemalism as it is practised today...

I coudn't agree more. There would also be no issues between Greece and Turkey, they would be friendly neighbours and much more developed than they are now. When the bitter war between the two countries was over, their relations were probably better than what they are now...

[denizaksulu]

If Bir Kibrisli wants to know more about Churchills mentality regarding Turkey you could try and find his War Memoirs. But I wouldnt waste my time if I were you. Now I find out you are also Moderator / Examiner as well. At least I passed the test. Selamlar

[BirKibrisli]

If Ataturk was alive today Turkey would've been a founding member of the EU,dear miltiades...And there would be no Kemalism as it is practised today...

I coudn't agree more. There would also be no issues between Greece and Turkey, they would be friendly neighbours and much more developed than they are now. When the bitter war between the two countries was over, their relations were probably better than what they are now...

Correct,alexISS...Ataturk was a peacemaker.There wouldn't have been a Cyprus problem as we know it on his watch either...He would've found a way to solve the problem peacefully long time ago...Those who invented Kemalism in his name have disgraced Ataturk's memory...They have entrenched themselves in power and sucking the blood of the nation like vampires...With the exception of Inonu and Bulent Ecevit,everyone who has come to power since KA only thought about their own pockets and those of their family and friends...I sometimes wonder how Turkey managed to stay on her feet for so long with these parasites in power...