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[magikthrill]

First of all, haven't you read Alexandros posts regarding his study. I mean they must have some truth to them?

And secondly a solution will be achieved soon. Of course, it might not be something one (or even both) communities wont like, but in order for Turkey to enter the EU (Which it most likely will) then the cyprus problem will be solved.

What is a solution? Where everyone diplomatically recognizes everyone, regardless of how this is achieved.

[Bananiot]

Very interesting! A topic that began as an attempt to give a light touch to a serious forum, has developed into a serious therapy-like session, with many users producing their innermost thoughts in a an almost lyrical fashion. I feel most of the users needed, at this point, some sort of reassurance that a solution to our problem is still possible and their cry was answered by Alexandos, who once again is relying heavily on measured responses but ignores, I feel, our ruling despots and their agendas. I do not want to add to the gloom but forgive me for repeating this. This morning I was listening to Christofias on the radio and his insistence on the satisfaction of the so called three no’s before any negotiations start, reiterates my firm belief that our government is not interested in the solution proposed by the Sec. Gen., no matter how many changes are performed. In fact the three no’s are stated in order to stall the process of finding a solution. It has been tried before, when the late Kyprianou proclaimed, amid vivid cheering of the hardliners, that we will never embark in a new round of negotiations until the last Turkish soldier leaves the island.

After 41 years of living apart it is extremely unlikely that the conservative GC society will want to reshuffle the pack. The fear of the unknown is a solid parameter in a society such as ours. Papadopoulos and his spin doctors have utilised to a maximum extend this fear, in a satanic and shrewd way too. One has to look at the letter the government employees received prior to the referendum to realise the extend of the brain washing.

Given that Papadopoulos has another 3 years in office and that he will seek re-election for another 5 year term (will probably get it) it is very hard to be optimistic for a solution. So, my main cause of pessimism is our government, not the views expressed by some members of the forum. An enlightened government with a vision for a solution can do wonders for the psych of the population but we are ruled by the likes of Pittokopitis, Koulias, Matsakis, Kleanthous et al.

May be we deserve them. But this is another story …

[magikthrill]

Hey bananiot (or anyone for that matter),

what are these three NOs?

[Bananiot]

NO to arbitration, NO to a new referendum without a previously agreed solution, NO to time limits.

We could be talking for another 40 years! This suits our despots quite nicely. They remain at the forefront where they can keep lying to the cheering masses about viable and just solutions.

[magikthrill]

ah ok. well i can understand the first two but i dont see the third to be in favor of either party (especially the GCs)

[Piratis]

Bananiot is a "yes to anything" guy. Most of us are not. We do not want just a closure of the Cyprus problem by any means. We want a solution.

According to Bananiot, we should take whatever the Turks are willing to give and be happy with it. Personally I disagree with this approach.

For me there is a huge difference between signing an agreement and finding a solution.

[Bananiot]

Lets say I do not accept the status quo, the current situation "as is" according to the cretin terminology. Thus I cannot accept the policies that tend to perpetuate this status. Wrong policies will only perpetuate the problem and consolidate the de facto partition of Cyprus, no matter how patriotic they sound. If it makes Piratis feel better, I would accept the worst solution, rather than permanent partition. Again, I fall victim to the cretin terminology ...

[Alexandros Lordos]

Bananiot,

I see it is your turn to reveal your innermost thoughts

I feel most of the users needed, at this point, some sort of reassurance that a solution to our problem is still possible and their cry was answered by Alexandos, who once again is relying heavily on measured responses but ignores, I feel, our ruling despots and their agendas. I do not want to add to the gloom but forgive me for repeating this.

I would prefer to say "relying heavily on facts" ... the politicians tend to follow the will of the people in the long run, because that's where the votes are.

Given that Papadopoulos has another 3 years in office and that he will seek re-election for another 5 year term (will probably get it) it is very hard to be optimistic for a solution. So, my main cause of pessimism is our government, not the views expressed by some members of the forum. An enlightened government with a vision for a solution can do wonders for the psych of the population but we are ruled by the likes of Pittokopitis, Koulias, Matsakis, Kleanthous et al.

I am quite sure Tassos will be booted from office if by the end of his term it doesn't become apparent that he is seriously working for a solution. AKEL would not support him, and neither would the people. Having said that, we shouldn't be so sure that he is not working for a realistic solution - the signals he is sending out are mixed.

[-mikkie2-]

Bananiot,

The biggest problem in the past 30 years to reaching a solution has been Denktas. Once he is gone in April things will change. It will mean that we can quite possibly reach an agreed solution within a very short space of time. Your pessimism is unfounded because even our 'stupid' leaders realise that leaving the problem to solve itself over a long time is not an option. It works against everyone.

[Alexandros Lordos]

Bananiot,

The biggest problem in the past 30 years to reaching a solution has been Denktas. Once he is gone in April things will change. It will mean that we can quite possibly reach an agreed solution within a very short space of time. Your pessimism is unfounded because even our 'stupid' leaders realise that leaving the problem to solve itself over a long time is not an option. It works against everyone.

I feel the same way also ...

If Talat as negotiator is willing to agree to a strong Federation, that will be the legal continuity of the RoC, that will create conditions for gradual social integration, and that will not cause unnecessary administrative deadlocks, I am sure Tassos would also sign ...