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[zan]

Calling TCs a minority in Cyprus is same as calling Greece in the EU a minority. Greeks are fewer in the EU but they are a separate and a politically equal entity. Greece does not however have the same constitutional rights because the agreements of the EU takes into account the fact that there are more, say, Germans than Greeks in the EU.

You are utilizing a common TC misconception of comparing the EU with the constitution of a country (Cyprus). The how and why the EU is run is totally irrelevant to the constitution of any country in the world. The EU is a voluntary club of members with custom designed rules and regulations, incentives, penalties, etc. Don’t confuse the two please to “support” your case because you simply cannot.

There is absolutely NOTHING equal about the TC and GC communities. The TC community "TRNC" is a very small, inefficient, incompetent, and irresponsible community with a next to zero contribution to Cyprus unfortunately so do us all a favor and quit flogging a dead horse.

Proves even more that we need the 40,000 Turkish troops to look after our selves then.

[free_cyprus]

LENA
im disapointed to say the least in your reply.......... but i guess you know far more then what i know ..........lol

[zan]

Muratanga , since you brought up the social status of our ancestors , I just wonder what social status these wretched women had in Turkey in 1578 and further more I wonder if anything has changed , just an excerpt for you to read on the modern new world that is spreading into the occupied part of Cyprus.

In Turkey, 'Honor Killing' Follows Families to Cities
Women Are Victims Of Village Tradition

By Molly Moore
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, August 8, 2001; Page A01


ISTANBUL -- By Sait Kina's way of thinking, his 13-year-old daughter brought nothing but dishonor to his family: She talked to boys on the street, she ran away from home, she was the subject of neighborhood gossip.

Two months ago, when she tried to run away yet again, Kina grabbed a kitchen knife and an ax and stabbed and beat the girl until she lay dead in the blood-smeared bathroom of the family's Istanbul apartment.

He then commanded one of his daughters-in-law to clean up the mess. When his two sons came home from work 14 hours later, he ordered them to dispose of the 5-foot-3 corpse, which had been wrapped in a carpet and a blanket. The girl's head had been so mutilated, police said, it was held together by a knotted cloth.

"I fulfilled my duty," Kina told police after he was arrested, according to investigators' reports presented in the court case against the father and his two sons. "We killed her for going out with boys."

Dilber Kina's death was an "honor killing," a practice steeped in village traditions that is occurring with increasing frequency in cities across Turkey and other developing countries where massive migrations to urban areas have left families struggling to reconcile modern lifestyles and liberties with generations-old rural customs.

As members of Turkey's younger generation, especially girls, become better educated and more exposed to the world through television and city life, they are increasingly rebelling against parents who cling to traditions that prohibit socializing with the opposite sex, choosing a husband or visiting freely with friends outside the home.

The mounting social pressures on both generations have led to an alarming increase in murders, beatings and other violence within families, as well as suicides among urban and rural girls and women, according to police, women's organizations and social researchers.

"Honor crimes are happening all over Turkey," said Pinar Ilkkaracan, director of a human rights group in Istanbul that campaigns for changes in Turkish laws that discriminate against women. "Honor killings are the tip of the iceberg. What is under the surface is terrifying."

Researchers estimate at least 200 girls and women are murdered each year by their families in Turkey; the real numbers, they say, may be far greater. Women's organizations say their estimates -- and their conclusion that honor crimes are on the rise -- are based on reports from local organizations and activists scattered across the country and from local newspapers that document cases investigated by police. Accurate statistics do not exist because police records do not break down homicides into specific types, and honor crimes often go unreported.

I just thought I would post this again to show what a real prat you really are Miltiades. I have come to the conclusion that you are an alcoholic and a sop. Your world is seen through the bottom of a whiskey bottle and your mood swings are testament to this. I accuse you of this with concern for your health and those you effect around you. Go see some one and get out the habit. This is tough love for a fellow Cypriot. Also try not to skip the pages in the newspapers that tell of the every day occurrences of the western world of which you are so proud. Although I too am proud and happy to live there, I do not see the whole place through rose colored spectacles. Try getting out now and again, your majesty and be sure to keep your head down. We do not want you to get your head blown off by some drugged up mini gangster that is running rife in your streets. We do not want you to get mugged by an HIV infested nut that just wants another fix. We do not want your car broken into or your house burgled or your children abducted by the rising number of pedophiles. We do not want you to pay extortionate insurance prices because of all these things going on or be run off the road by some nut with road rage worrying about all these things too.



Get a grip man.

[Murataga]

observer and Kifeas wrote-

Murataga, do you have any reference to prove that Papadopoulos indeed said what you have posted above, in the way you posted it?

Such whiners... I had a whole freaking thread on it:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

Try focusing on the content rather than the looks next time.

[Kifeas]

observer and Kifeas wrote-

Murataga, do you have any reference to prove that Papadopoulos indeed said what you have posted above, in the way you posted it?

Such whiners... I had a whole freaking thread on it:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

Try focusing on the content rather than the looks next time.

Murataga, your arrogance seems to betray you once more!

First of all, you are using a tertiary source of information to base your claims that Papadopoulos has indeed said the things you have mentioned above. Well, not only Papadopoulos has never said the things you have claimed he did, in the way you posted them, but as a matter of fact he has neither been in Greece on the 14 the of July 2006. Nor on the 13th or 15th of July, nor on the same day (14) of June 2006!

I suggest you to conduct the author of the article which the stupid "Cyprus Mail' reprinted on 22/04/07, Mr. Alkan Chaglar -editor of "Toplum Postasi" on: [email protected] , and ask him to provide to you his primary sources for what he has claimed in his article that Papadopoulos had said, where and when!

I also suggest you to be more careful in the future, because you make a fool of yourself with your inaccurate claims and analysis.

[axilleask]

The term "Cypriot" defines somebody who lives in Cyprus. Does not define an ethnic origin. It's the same as the term "Cretan" or "Pelloponesian".
In the US of a they are millions of people with different ethnic origins yet they call all call themselves "Americans" . The dissapointing fact is that TC's prefer to call themselves "Turks" than "Cypriots" . They prefer to stay in captivity under the rule of a foreign nation than to be a member of the community.
They prefer to violate human rights, expoit other people's properties and live as outlaws in their hideout.
They keep hiding in the past to find excuses for their present situation.
Cyprus, like the USA is a country with people from different ethnic origins. History tells us that when these people co operate they perform miracles. TC's on the other hand care only for themselves and NOT for the whole community.
All of the people of GREEK ethnic origin prefer to call ourselves "Cypriots" and NOT Greek-Cypriots. the fact that we have Greek origin does not make us puppets of the Greek goverment unlike what's happening in the North occupied part of the island.
Nobody can make a decision even for the tie he will wear unless he's got the approval of the Turkish goverment.
Imagine 200.000 people living together with 40.000 troops! that's a soldier for every 5 people!
What can somebody think about the situation in the North?
Can these people act by themselves? Can they express their own will? I doubt that!

So what you are saying is that in 1963 it was not just a small number of GCs that attacked and killed the TCs but it was the entire race. Can they act for themselves. If you want to believe that Greece has no say in what goes on in the south then do so but don't ask the rest of us to think the same. When these so called Cypriots pushed us into 3% of the island and then tried to starve us out, where were all these Cypriots. Living it up on our land, that’s where. You only bleat now when it has happened to you and then ask for land that does not belong to you. We are now in 37% of our land not "RoC". We too have right to this land in blood and circumstance.

Sometime in the not so very distant past there was a man called Adolf Hitler. With the assistance of some of his fellows managed to kill some 50.000.000 people, and destroy 3/4 of Europe.. The world has moved on since then ...
The whole Europe is now united .. But WAIT a minute! A small village still resists. Their people call it the 'TRNC' and the clocks there stopped in 1974....

[zan]

The term "Cypriot" defines somebody who lives in Cyprus. Does not define an ethnic origin. It's the same as the term "Cretan" or "Pelloponesian".
In the US of a they are millions of people with different ethnic origins yet they call all call themselves "Americans" . The dissapointing fact is that TC's prefer to call themselves "Turks" than "Cypriots" . They prefer to stay in captivity under the rule of a foreign nation than to be a member of the community.
They prefer to violate human rights, expoit other people's properties and live as outlaws in their hideout.
They keep hiding in the past to find excuses for their present situation.
Cyprus, like the USA is a country with people from different ethnic origins. History tells us that when these people co operate they perform miracles. TC's on the other hand care only for themselves and NOT for the whole community.
All of the people of GREEK ethnic origin prefer to call ourselves "Cypriots" and NOT Greek-Cypriots. the fact that we have Greek origin does not make us puppets of the Greek goverment unlike what's happening in the North occupied part of the island.
Nobody can make a decision even for the tie he will wear unless he's got the approval of the Turkish goverment.
Imagine 200.000 people living together with 40.000 troops! that's a soldier for every 5 people!
What can somebody think about the situation in the North?
Can these people act by themselves? Can they express their own will? I doubt that!

So what you are saying is that in 1963 it was not just a small number of GCs that attacked and killed the TCs but it was the entire race. Can they act for themselves. If you want to believe that Greece has no say in what goes on in the south then do so but don't ask the rest of us to think the same. When these so called Cypriots pushed us into 3% of the island and then tried to starve us out, where were all these Cypriots. Living it up on our land, that’s where. You only bleat now when it has happened to you and then ask for land that does not belong to you. We are now in 37% of our land not "RoC". We too have right to this land in blood and circumstance.

Sometime in the not so very distant past there was a man called Adolf Hitler. With the assistance of some of his fellows managed to kill some 50.000.000 people, and destroy 3/4 of Europe.. The world has moved on since then ...
The whole Europe is now united .. But WAIT a minute! A small village still resists. Their people call it the 'TRNC' and the clocks there stopped in 1974....

I think playing with time should be left to Dr.Who. It is the "RoC" that is stuck in 1974. We the people of the TRNC/KKTC have moved on. We have created a republic of our own and still we move on. It is the "RoC" that wants to turn the time back to pre 1974. Can you see what I am saying.......Best left to the good Doctor.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

also suggest you to be more careful in the future, because you make a fool of yourself with your inaccurate claims and analysis

If innacurate claims and analysis is what constitutes being a fool, then 95% of the Turkish Cypriot who visit this website must be the dumbest people on Earth.

[Murataga]

Kifeas wrote-

Murataga, your arrogance seems to betray you once more!

First of all, you are using a tertiary source of information to base your claims that Papadopoulos has indeed said the things you have mentioned above. Well, not only Papadopoulos has never said the things you have claimed he did, in the way you posted them, but as a matter of fact he has neither been in Greece on the 14 the of July 2006. Nor on the 13th or 15th of July, nor on the same day (14) of June 2006!

I suggest you to conduct the author of the article which the stupid "Cyprus Mail' reprinted on 22/04/07, Mr. Alkan Chaglar -editor of "Toplum Postasi" on: [email protected] , and ask him to provide to you his primary sources for what he has claimed in his article that Papadopoulos had said, where and when!

I also suggest you to be more careful in the future, because you make a fool of yourself with your inaccurate claims and analysis.

_________________
Kifeas has spoken!
Cyprus is one, indivisible & belongs to its Cypriot people!

I’ve seen you go low before, but God you’ve hit the bottom here haven’t you?...

Just so that everyone knows, I am providing another source without any relevance to the Author or the newspaper I provided initially:

Cyprus Weekly
http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy
By Alex Efthyvoulos in Athens
13th July 2006

" PRESIDENT Tassos Papadopoulos rounded up his two-day visit to Athens and talks with the Greek government and opposition leaders this week....

...We in Cyprus do not want, and do not even think of creating problems for Greece. We do not want, nor do we seek to transfer the weight of our problems to the shoulders of Greece. But, we do want our Greek brothers to realise that we in Cyprus, as we resist Turkish expansionism and fight for the national and physical survival of Greek Hellenism, are forward defenders of Hellenism in its widest meaning and dimension.''

Apparently, the date of his visit might have been the 11th or 12th according to this source. But then again the original font of the article was Times New Roman and I changed it to Arial here, so guilty as charged I guess

You don’t have to tip toe around this stuff. If he didn’t tell these (which he clearly did) it wouldn’t matter anyway because everyone still knows that he didn’t tell them for the sake of being diplomatic. Just type his name and the word and Hellenism on google and see the number of stuff that comes up. The man was one of the members of the Akritas Organization for God`s sake… It wouldn’t matter if he called it plain Hellenism, Cyprus Hellenism, Zimbabwe Hellenism, Eskimo Hellenism or Greek Hellenism either for he can not speak of representing the whole of Cyprus as he chooses to be the defender and promoter of Hellenism of/in Cyprus. Doing so is agression against the TCs and a crystal clear display of his vision for Cyprus. There is a big difference when Talat or other Turkish leaders speak of “Cypriot Turkishness”: they do not make the ridiculous claim of representing the whole of Cyprus. So back to my initial point: Neither Cyprus or Cypriots are not "defending Hellenism in its widest meaning and dimension" as Papadopoulus refers. The GCs are. The other Cypriot people, TCs, are not. Quite simple actually.

I’m going to help you save face on this: I did not place this reference to belittle or deamonize Hellenism in Cyprus. I sincerely believe that it is perfectly legitimate and acceptable. You or Papadoupolus or any other GC is absolutely free to live the Greek dream and Hellenize and do all that stuff.. That is as long as its promoters and defenders refrain from making the ridiculous claim of representing the whole of Cyprus and attempting to impose, expand or dominate over us with this mambo jumbo. If they do not, they are in violation of our, TCs, rights and should be prepared to face its consequences.

[Piratis]

Murataga, you have invaded and expanded against our island, and when you did so Cyprus, just like now, was an island with its own distinct, but still Hellenic, identity. Since the ancient years you can hear about the Cyprian goddess Aphrodite, about the ancient Cypriot Kings (e.g. Evagoras) etc, and Cyprus has its own Cypriot dialect of Greek.

So "Cypriots" is not a new term as you want to present it. We are a well establish people with 1000s of years of history, with a mostly Hellenic culture, but influences from elsewhere as well.

This is the Cyprus you invaded and started butchering us by the 1000s and then oppressed us for 3 centuries. But just like the Persians, the Venetians, the British etc, your rule over our island has ended.

Beyond that the Muslim minority that remained after the Ottoman rule, is welcomed to stay in Cyprus, just like such minorities exist in other places that were liberated from the Ottomans (Greece, Bulgaria etc). If you don't accept to be Cypriot, nobody will force you to. You can call yourself whatever you want, follow any religion you want, and have your equal human rights like every other Cypriot citizen.

What you can not do is to occupy our lands and properties and perform ethnic cleansing against us. Unfortunately thats what you do again today, and just like you did for the most part since your kind set foot on our island, you continue to violate and oppress our rights.

You have absolutely no right to occupy our lands. You do so illegally and because Turkey has the military power. Do not forget however that once Persians, Egyptians, Venetians etc had the power as well, and ruled this place. But their rule could not change the long history of this island. The Turkish occupation is now just like what the Persian or the Venetian or the Ottoman rule was back then. It is just a matter of time for the illegal invaders of our island to follow the destiny of the former invaders.

So once again I will tell you that you should finally stop the illegalities and crimes and give us back our lands and rights, and take what belongs to you as equal citizens of Cyprus that we have no problem for you to be. If however you don't feel as Cypriot, then you can simply piss off from Cyprus. At the same time I warn you that our island is not for sale, and that sooner or later it will be liberated and if blood will need to be shed for the liberation, then the Turks in Cyprus might have the fade of the Turks of Crete, since we will not be able to afford another possibility of them using their minority already on the island to resume their criminal oppressive rule over Cyprus.