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[miltiades]

Zan the new VP has changed his mind , he no longer aspires for the new forward modern world of Anatolia
He is now one of us , has anyone noticed that this individual succumbed to the magnetic force of day dreaming , the RoC does not exist as far as he is concerned , actually the only true RoC is the TRNC !!! Recognised universally as a part of Cyprus under Turkish occupation , so what does he say. Fuck the 200 thousand displaced Cypriots :

"" "We are now in 37% of our land not "RoC". ""

[Murataga]

Sotos wrote-

You invaded and expanded against us and imposed your rule on us

We took the island from the Venetians not you. Your social status was next to barn yard animals when we came to Cyprus let alone owning the island. You were granted autonomy, dignitiy and representation upon our arrival after centuries.

[miltiades]

What absolute rubbish you talk man .The Venetians occupied Cyprus and the Cypriots . The Turks fought the Venetians and captured Cyprus. I suppose your Anatolian cousins are the forward modern civilized new world that Zan goes on about. Anyway , what the hell are you doing in Cyprus , you make it clear that you are a Turk not a T/C . So , you say , you took the Island from the Venetians not from us the natives who lived like animals until the Great Civilization of the Ottoman Empire released us from the barns , educated us and treated us with dignity and respect . I suppose we were lucky look what happened to the Armenians , sorry I forgot It never happened !
What a plonker !

[miltiades]

Muratanga , since you brought up the social status of our ancestors , I just wonder what social status these wretched women had in Turkey in 1578 and further more I wonder if anything has changed , just an excerpt for you to read on the modern new world that is spreading into the occupied part of Cyprus.

In Turkey, 'Honor Killing' Follows Families to Cities
Women Are Victims Of Village Tradition

By Molly Moore
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, August 8, 2001; Page A01


ISTANBUL -- By Sait Kina's way of thinking, his 13-year-old daughter brought nothing but dishonor to his family: She talked to boys on the street, she ran away from home, she was the subject of neighborhood gossip.

Two months ago, when she tried to run away yet again, Kina grabbed a kitchen knife and an ax and stabbed and beat the girl until she lay dead in the blood-smeared bathroom of the family's Istanbul apartment.

He then commanded one of his daughters-in-law to clean up the mess. When his two sons came home from work 14 hours later, he ordered them to dispose of the 5-foot-3 corpse, which had been wrapped in a carpet and a blanket. The girl's head had been so mutilated, police said, it was held together by a knotted cloth.

"I fulfilled my duty," Kina told police after he was arrested, according to investigators' reports presented in the court case against the father and his two sons. "We killed her for going out with boys."

Dilber Kina's death was an "honor killing," a practice steeped in village traditions that is occurring with increasing frequency in cities across Turkey and other developing countries where massive migrations to urban areas have left families struggling to reconcile modern lifestyles and liberties with generations-old rural customs.

As members of Turkey's younger generation, especially girls, become better educated and more exposed to the world through television and city life, they are increasingly rebelling against parents who cling to traditions that prohibit socializing with the opposite sex, choosing a husband or visiting freely with friends outside the home.

The mounting social pressures on both generations have led to an alarming increase in murders, beatings and other violence within families, as well as suicides among urban and rural girls and women, according to police, women's organizations and social researchers.

"Honor crimes are happening all over Turkey," said Pinar Ilkkaracan, director of a human rights group in Istanbul that campaigns for changes in Turkish laws that discriminate against women. "Honor killings are the tip of the iceberg. What is under the surface is terrifying."

Researchers estimate at least 200 girls and women are murdered each year by their families in Turkey; the real numbers, they say, may be far greater. Women's organizations say their estimates -- and their conclusion that honor crimes are on the rise -- are based on reports from local organizations and activists scattered across the country and from local newspapers that document cases investigated by police. Accurate statistics do not exist because police records do not break down homicides into specific types, and honor crimes often go unreported.

[free_cyprus]

axilleask
The term "Cypriot" defines somebody who lives in Cyprus. Does not define an ethnic origin. It's the same as the term "Cretan" or "Pelloponesian".
In the US of a they are millions of people with different ethnic origins yet they call all call themselves "Americans" . The dissapointing fact is that TC's prefer to call themselves "Turks" than "Cypriots" . They prefer to stay in captivity under the rule of a foreign nation than to be a member of the community.
They prefer to violate human rights, expoit other people's properties and live as outlaws in their hideout.
They keep hiding in the past to find excuses for their present situation.
Cyprus, like the USA is a country with people from different ethnic origins. History tells us that when these people co operate they perform miracles. TC's on the other hand care only for themselves and NOT for the whole community.
All of the people of GREEK ethnic origin prefer to call ourselves "Cypriots" and NOT Greek-Cypriots. the fact that we have Greek origin does not make us puppets of the Greek goverment unlike what's happening in the North occupied part of the island.
Nobody can make a decision even for the tie he will wear unless he's got the approval of the Turkish goverment.
Imagine 200.000 people living together with 40.000 troops! that's a soldier for every 5 people!
What can somebody think about the situation in the North?
Can these people act by themselves? Can they express their own will? I doubt that!


boy do you talk a lot hot air. i dont know if its coming from your mouth or your asss.....................both communities take orders from their soo called motherlands.......so please dont take sides here at least be open and honest about whole of cyprus.................

[LENA]

The term "Cypriot" defines somebody who lives in Cyprus. Does not define an ethnic origin. It's the same as the term "Cretan" or "Pelloponesian".
In the US of a they are millions of people with different ethnic origins yet they call all call themselves "Americans" . The dissapointing fact is that TC's prefer to call themselves "Turks" than "Cypriots" . They prefer to stay in captivity under the rule of a foreign nation than to be a member of the community.
They prefer to violate human rights, expoit other people's properties and live as outlaws in their hideout.
They keep hiding in the past to find excuses for their present situation.
Cyprus, like the USA is a country with people from different ethnic origins. History tells us that when these people co operate they perform miracles. TC's on the other hand care only for themselves and NOT for the whole community.
All of the people of GREEK ethnic origin prefer to call ourselves "Cypriots" and NOT Greek-Cypriots. the fact that we have Greek origin does not make us puppets of the Greek goverment unlike what's happening in the North occupied part of the island.
Nobody can make a decision even for the tie he will wear unless he's got the approval of the Turkish goverment.
Imagine 200.000 people living together with 40.000 troops! that's a soldier for every 5 people!
What can somebody think about the situation in the North?
Can these people act by themselves? Can they express their own will? I doubt that!

boy do you talk a lot hot air. i dont know if its coming from your mouth or your asss.....................both communities take orders from their soo called motherlands.......so please dont take sides here at least be open and honest about whole of cyprus.................

Free_cyprus...is what axilleask said. We both take orders from motherlands but at least we have our own government that rule the Cypriots but in the north what rule the TC is the Turkish army!!!

PS Why you dont try a better approach than insulting people?

[free_cyprus]

LENA
Free_cyprus...is what axilleask said. We both take orders from motherlands but at least we have our own government that rule the Cypriots but in the north what rule the TC is the Turkish army!!!

what the hell are you talkign about you have your goverment in the south what goverment you talkign about the one that is a yes men to greece and the one and the same one that cannot fart without asking greece..................i really cannot believe how people think in this forum sometimes it defies imagination

[observer]

Murataga, do you have any reference to prove that Papadopoulos indeed said what you have posted above, in the way you posted it?

Not Murataga, but I was curious and googled it. It seems that Papadopoulos did say it (and much more) at the award ceremony of the Order of Makarios III to Michael Cacoyiannisand. You can find it reported here as well as in other places:

http://aspects.no-ip.org/cyprus/0607/06-07-18_news.htm

[LENA]

Free_cyprus...is what axilleask said. We both take orders from motherlands but at least we have our own government that rule the Cypriots but in the north what rule the TC is the Turkish army!!!

what the hell are you talkign about you have your goverment in the south what goverment you talkign about the one that is a yes men to greece and the one and the same one that cannot fart without asking greece..................i really cannot believe how people think in this forum sometimes it defies imagination

Free_cyprus
Yes I have my government in the south. And I disagree with you. It used to be like that years ago. Is not like that any more. I agree that up to a point our government take orders from Greece but is not as you said. Unfortunately I am not willing to talk with someone that can not talk with the normal way. Sorry Free_cyprus...some other time may be...relax and we can discuss things with arguments and with normal way that doesnt include any ass attraction!!!

[74LB]

Observer, thank you for providing the link - I also came across this link as well :

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 2&cat_id=1

written by Alkan Chaglar whose views on this particular matter are spot-on in my opinion.

As a TC, I personally find it appalling that Tassos Papadopoulos deep down harbours these thoughts. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone in his position say

".........we do want our Greek brothers to realise that we in Cyprus, as we resist Turkish expansionism and fight for the national and physical survival of Greek Hellenism, are forward defenders of Hellenism in its widest meaning and dimension.''

unless he really does consider that there is no place in Cyprus for Cypriots other than GC's. Did he really think that these words would not be published and analaysed by one and all ?

As much as we all want a sloution to the Cyprus problem, I say to myself, how can we, (TC's) ever consider uniting if those at the very top have these views ?