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[zan]

The sins of your father is being visited on you Piratis not of your great great great great grandfather. Those others had nothing to do with me. My time was in the Republic of Cyprus with your shitty religious leader screwing everything up.

[Piratis]

What father? You belong yourself to the criminal generation of TMT that killed 100s of Greek Cypriots and of the Turkish invasion that claimed the lives of 6000 people and ethnically cleansed 200.000.

Even if we go as far as our fathers, the blame on the Turkish side is still way way more.

[zan]

What father? You belong yourself to the criminal generation of TMT that killed 100s of Greek Cypriots and of the Turkish invasion that claimed the lives of 6000 people and ethnically cleansed 200.000.

Even if we go as far as our fathers, the blame on the Turkish side is still way way more.

Just stop your shit and stop your lying and trying to confuse people about who started this whole thing. It was started by your leader. That shithead Makarios that had all of Cyprus at his fingertips. Your ethnic cleansing is decades before anything we did and the numbers mean jack shit. You can write those a thousand more times and a thousand more times it will end up the same. You cannot change history anymore. You have to face the truth and you will face the truth.

[free_cyprus]

Piratis
ethnically cleansed 200.000

how comes when you repeat yourself, all the time nobody says a word, but when i post my stuff everyone is complaining i repeat myself................just out of curiocity piratis
do you know how many times you have posted the 200,000 in here

[zan]

Makarios the hero.

[Piratis]

Here we go again. Sorry free-cyprus but I am forced to repeat things as some people don't seem to understand. But you are right, I don't need to waste my time yping agains what I already said:

First of all I have to make something very clear:

I believe that we should leave the past behind, we should forgive each other, stop all illegalities and move ahead with a united democratic country without racist discriminations and with respect to the human rights of all Cypriots.

Unfortunately I notice that there some people that insist on using a tiny and selective part of the past as an excuse for the continuation of illegalities and their demand for a "solution" that will be based on racist discrimination of people based on their ethnic background (which is something that exists in no democratic country in the world)

To those people Greek Cypriots deserved the violations of their human rights for the last 32 years and they deserve to be convicted for eternal violation of their human rights in a country that discriminates against them because of their race.

The fact is however that Turks in Cyprus have committed 100 times more crimes against Greek Cypriots than the other way around.

Greek Cypriots have been the majority on the island of Cyprus for 3000+ years. Their interaction with Turks starts in the 15th century, were the Turks attacked our island. This also answers the question "Who started it" for anybody that thinks that this is important:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

So now it is clear how the interaction of Turks with Greek Cypriots started in Cyprus, and the question "Who started it" is answered as well.

What followed were 300 years of Ottoman rule in Cyprus. During these 3 centuries Greek Cypriots were oppressed second category citizens. They had to pay multiple times the taxes of muslims and their testimony in courts was not accepted. Whenever they tried to revolt against their oppressors they were slaughtered.

So here we have a period were Turks were oppressing and killing Greeks in Cyprus. The result of this period was 300 years of oppression against GCs and 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots dead.

The next "round" of conflict between the two communities was at the end of the British rule in Cyprus, and then from 63 to 68. During this period extremists from both sides were committing crimes and atrocities.

This is the only period that TCs remember, but even here they remember only their own casualties and not the crimes that they had committed against GCs.

So this is a period were both sides had about an equal number of casualties, some 100s for each side.

Then in 1974 the illegal coupists overthrow our president and Turkey found the excuse to invade Cyprus. No TC was killed by the coupists before the invasion had started, but only after.
The result of the coup/invasion was 6000 GCs dead and 200.000 GCs ethnically cleansed. On the other side the TCs had only a couple of 100s of victims.

The next period is the 32 years of illegal occupation and insistence from Turkey to violate international law and human rights. This continues until today.

Conclusion:
1) The Turks "started it" in the 15th century
2) The Turks have committed much much more crimes against Greek Cypriots.
3) The Turks insist on their crimes today
4) Greek Cypriots have committed crimes as well, but only a tiny fraction of the crimes that the Turks have committed.

Still, Greek Cypriots are more than willing to put all these behind as long as we are not provoked by people that remember only the 1% of history that suits that in order to prove that Greek Cypriots are the evil people that deserve even more crimes against them.

Therefore I ask from people on this forum to either:

1) Leave the past behind. Do not try to excuse crimes and illegalities in 2006 with events that happened in the past. Concentrate on how we can find a solution that will respect all Cypriots equally without racist discriminations and human right violations.

Or, if doing (1) is impossible for you then at least:

2) If you believe that the past should be used to determine who is the "good" and who is the "bad" one and that this should be the basis of solving the Cyprus problem (instead of democracy, human rights and legality, that I propose) then at least use the whole history and not the tiny bits that suit you.

[T_C]

If you want to die fighting to steal our country then you will. But I don't know if you will live to see that day because that tumor of yours will come back soon to finish you off you fucking criminal piece of shit. You are lucky because dying from cancer will be much more pleasant for you than dying in our hands when we will be liberating our country. Actually dying is anyway better than living the pathetic life of a Turk.

UGH! A bunch of steam just evaporated out of my laptop as I read this post...then it dissapeared....into thin air....and now it's gone forever...just like this lame "bitch fit" of sotos'!

Say what you want about Turks ....do you think it makes a bit of difference (to anyone, let alone the TCs or Turks) what you think about them? Please!

Dying in your hands is something that will never happen to us matey! I can't be bothered to make threats or explain myself since deep down I know that you KNOW what I'm talking about and theres nothing you can do about that unfortunately. You are welcome to try though...anytime!

What you said to Murataga there was seriously messed up...and I'm suprised that hardly anyone said anything. Thats just f*****d up! It was the worst thing anyone could of said, yet nothing....

I wouldn't be so fast to wish such things on people.

Karmas a bitch*, and God forbid you just might find that out for yourself!

*not you karma

[zan]

They never do TC just one Kifeas telling him off because it made them look bad.

[free_cyprus]

Piratis
Here we go again. Sorry free-cyprus but I am forced to repeat things as some people don't seem to understand. But you are right, I don't need to waste my time yping agains what I already said

soo greeks from the mainland did not comit any crimes against cypriot people then?????????????? not only greeks by perssians, english, the nevitions, iraques, eygiptions, cyrions, and all the other invaders and accupiers of history . that have invade cyprus......................if our thinking as cypriots only stretches to one single invader then we are blind and stupid......................not only do i see nothing but propaganda in this forum from our own people the cypriots. but i also see deep hate from them with some of the posts they post in this forum...........................................i have already posted something called.....................CYPRIOTS ARE BEST IN THE WORLD WHEN IT COMES TO ??????? AND THIS JUST A BOUT SUMS UP THE CYPRIOT MENTALY TURKISH SPEAKING AND GREEK SPEAKING IN THIS FORUM

[Sotos]

If you want to die fighting to steal our country then you will. But I don't know if you will live to see that day because that tumor of yours will come back soon to finish you off you fucking criminal piece of shit. You are lucky because dying from cancer will be much more pleasant for you than dying in our hands when we will be liberating our country. Actually dying is anyway better than living the pathetic life of a Turk.

UGH! A bunch of steam just evaporated out of my laptop as I read this post...then it dissapeared....into thin air....and now it's gone forever...just like this lame "bitch fit" of sotos'!

Say what you want about Turks ....do you think it makes a bit of difference (to anyone, let alone the TCs or Turks) what you think about them? Please!

Dying in your hands is something that will never happen to us matey! I can't be bothered to make threats or explain myself since deep down I know that you KNOW what I'm talking about and theres nothing you can do about that unfortunately. You are welcome to try though...anytime!

What you said to Murataga there was seriously messed up...and I'm suprised that hardly anyone said anything. Thats just f*****d up! It was the worst thing anyone could of said, yet nothing....

I wouldn't be so fast to wish such things on people.

Karmas a bitch*, and God forbid you just might find that out for yourself!

*not you karma

Murataga said that the only way he will give me back my home is if he dies. So I wish him and the other bloody thieves like him to die the sooner. What you don't like? You are one of them also?