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Court rejects TCs appeal to elect their own deputies

Postby Sotos » Wed May 02, 2007 2:45 pm

from Cyprus Mail
THE SUPREME Court has rejected an appeal from 78 Turkish Cypriots demanding their right to vote for their own Turkish Cypriot deputies in parliament.

The appeal, which was launched last July by lawyers Ali Erel and Mustafa Damdelen, called for activation of a separate electoral roll for Turkish Cypriots to vote for Turkish representatives at the House of Representatives.

But yesterday, the Supreme Court rejected the appeal, stating that the appellants were living in the occupied north under the wing of Turkish occupying forces and therefore did not have the right to vote in matters concerning the Cyprus Republic.

According to the appeal, the state had refused to allow Turkish Cypriots currently residing in the north to take part in elections in the government-controlled areas.

Under the 1960 Constitution, there are separate electoral rolls for members of the Greek and Turkish communities of the island. Turkish Cypriots living in the south can vote and are included on the same electoral roll as Greek Cypriots.

The court proceedings had initially hit dead ends, with its session postponed several times because the state had failed to hand documentation to the defence translated into Turkish.

During the proceedings, the court had also heard a recent case at the European Court of Human Rights (Aziz v Cyprus) in which a Turkish Cypriot man living in the south had asked to be allowed to vote on the Greek Cypriot register.

When his request was turned down, he took his case to the European Court of Human Rights, which ruled in his favour, noting that “as a member of the Turkish Cypriot community living in the government-controlled area of Cyprus, [he] was completely deprived of any opportunity to express his opinion in the choice of the members of the house of representatives of the country of which he was a national and where he had always lived”.

But the Supreme Court yesterday stated that it failed to establish a valid comparison between the Aziz cas and the appeal at hand.

”Concluding, the court has come to the decision and has rejected the appeal because the appellants had and continue to have permanent residence in the north sector of Cyprus, which is occupied by Turkish forces,” the Supreme Court decision read.

“Under those conditions, they have not shown to have the rights that were noted in the initial decision of the European Court of Human Rights in the case of Aziz.”

Under the 1960 Constitution, the Greek Chamber of the House of Representatives has 59 members elected for a five-year term, 56 Greek Cypriot members by proportional representation and three observer members representing the Maronite, Latin and Armenian minorities.

The Turkish Chamber has 24 seats, but has been vacant since inter-communal clashes in 1964.

The Republic had until January 26, 2006 continued to function with participation only from Greek Cypriots, until a new law was passed following the Aziz ruling allowing Turkish Cypriots living in the south to vote on the Greek Cypriot electoral roll.

What do you think? You think it is OK for TCs to have both "TRNC" and RoC at the same time? If TCs want RoC shouldn't they stop supporting the "TRNC"?
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Postby Piratis » Thu May 03, 2007 12:02 am

There is just one Turkish Cypriot community. This community of 18% has certain privilages according to the 1960 constitution. However this same community does not even recognize RoC and they are instead collaborating with a foreign country for the de facto partition of Cyprus, something which is explicitly prohibited by the constitution.

The TCs have to choose if they support the 1960 agreements, which entail not only rights but responsibilities as well, or if they will continue to support the foreign invader. It is one or the other, but can not be both.

Of course there is a good argument to be made by some TCs. One TC could say: "I was born in Kerynia and I just continue to live here under the illegal Turkish occupation. I do not recognize any "TRNC", so why should my country deny to me my rights?".

This could seem as a valid argument. However, those extra privileges (e.g. for vice president, separate seats in the parliament etc) are not part of the human or individual rights of each TC, but communal rights that where given to the 18% TC minority as a whole. Therefore the TCs as a community have to decide if they are willing to stop supporting illegalities and return to RoC. Having both, RoC and "trnc" is an oxymoron and obviously can not be done. If the TC community denies its rights and responsibilities to the Republic of Cyprus, and they instead support illegalities, there is nothing the Republic of Cyprus can do, apart from accepting those TCs that continue to support legality as equal RoC citizens like all the rest of Cypriots, but obviously without the extra privilages that were created for the whole TC community of 18%.

For now the international community recognizes Talat as the leader of TCs. Therefore it is Talat that should come and demand the communal rights and responsibilities of TCs in RoC, and declare at the same time that his community does not support anything that would violate the constitution, independence and sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus. (actually everybody has to take an oath for those things in order to become president, vice president, parliament member etc). If this is done, then certainly RoC would have no problem to accept TCs back, and then the Cyprus Problem would be exclusively a case of illegal occupation by a 3rd country, and not at all a bi-communal problem that needs to be solved.

Alternatively, if the International community tells to the RoC that once some TCs participate in elections and elect their own representatives in RoC, then those will be the TCs considered as the TC leadership and not the leadership in the occupation areas, then this can be done as well. The effects will be again the same, since the TC community will officially accept the RoC and there will be no power sharing or other issues between TCs and GCs, and the only problem that would remain would be only the illegal occupation of Cyprus by Turkey.

Therefore Republic of Cyprus does not want to stop TCs from enjoying their full rights, as long as they are also willing to fulfill their obligations as well. It is up to the TC community to decide what direction they will take. I hope they will choose the direction of legality finally, so they will take back their position in RoC and then all together fight for the sovereignty and independence of our country so the rest of Cypriots can enjoy their full rights as well.
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Postby Piratis » Thu May 03, 2007 12:16 am

To add to my previous post, I have to say that today TCs can freely elect and be elected in RoC just like every other Cypriot. So if lets say half of TCs (9% of total population) comes end votes, they can very easily elect TCs to take the 9% of parliament seats. What can not be done today is for TCs to get the extra privilages, which are over and above their democratic rights, for the reasons I explained in my previous post.
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Postby cypezokyli » Thu May 03, 2007 12:56 am

its difficult to accept this proposal .... even though it is sad bc these Turkish Cypriots are really those who believe in the Republic of Cyprus and do want re-unification.

there are two serious problems with accepting their proposal :

1. they represent noone but themselves. the only real representative of the Turkish Cypriots is talat.

2. put yourself in the Greek Cypriot position. what do they have to gain from such a scenario ? the Turkish Cypriots will govern the north on their own , and share power in the south. under such circumstances it is difficult to accept this proposal , even though most Greek Cypriots would welcome a return to the 1960s constitution.



and this is turkish reaction to this move of tcs

Turkish Cypriot move contradicts Turkish theses on Cyprus'

Seventy-eight Turkish Cypriots are planning to apply to the European court to obtain rights to elect and be elected under the 1960 Constitution of Greek Cyprus but the group primarily aims at pressing the administration in the south to sit at the table for a viable solution to Cyprus deadlock

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Turkish Cypriot international law expert, Assistant Professor Kudret Özersay, told the Turkish Daily News that he believes this action by the Turkish Cypriots implies in a manner a de facto acceptance of the divide saying, �I see this process as risky because the Turkish side is in pursuit of a bi-zonal state on the basis of new and different parameters from past experiences but the initiative by 78 Turkish Cypriots gives signals of returning to the state system of 1960, which is not a positive development.�

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=72089
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu May 03, 2007 2:27 am

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its difficult to accept this proposal .... even though it is sad bc these Turkish Cypriots are really those who believe in the Republic of Cyprus and do want re-unification.



Well spotted another slap in the face of those who want unificaiton.
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Postby askimwos » Thu May 03, 2007 9:48 am

Viewpoint wrote:cypezokyli
its difficult to accept this proposal .... even though it is sad bc these Turkish Cypriots are really those who believe in the Republic of Cyprus and do want re-unification.



Well spotted another slap in the face of those who want unificaiton.


vp, you cannot but make me laugh with your stupid and twisted arguments :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do you actually believe what you are saying? You remind me very much of Commical Ali during the US Iraq invation..
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Postby zan » Thu May 03, 2007 10:39 am

I think that this story shows that there can be no half way house. It has to be all or nothing. A completely new start.
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Postby EUropean666 » Thu May 03, 2007 1:59 pm

they shall allow them to vote, if they have COP passports and stuff, then they have the right to vote.
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Postby Sotos » Sat May 05, 2007 8:22 pm

EUropean666 wrote:they shall allow them to vote, if they have COP passports and stuff, then they have the right to vote.


The can vote now already!

I think that this story shows that there can be no half way house. It has to be all or nothing. A completely new start.


I think this story shows that you can not have your cake and eat it too! TCs can not have everything and GCs nothing!
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Postby zan » Sun May 06, 2007 1:41 am

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