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Question: Cyprus and the island's Greek inhabitants?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby LENA » Sat May 05, 2007 1:43 am

free_cyprus wrote:LENA
im going to put to the forum to adopt you as our fairy god mother................... sometimes you sound like my mother...... lol


What? What did I do this time?? I am too young to be your mother? I sound that old? Oh my God...I have to get a new life!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Free_cyprus...sometimes I act like a baby or a teenager who doesnt know what is going around...sometimes I act as a dreamer naive child...and sometimes I realise how cruel life can be...but talking with mature people older than me I have to be careful what I say and what I do...respect and watch my language...well is how I grow up...is what I learn through my parents, school, experiences etc...but that is all I am ... a crazy 22 years old woman...why is that bad? :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Postby LENA » Sat May 05, 2007 1:47 am

humanist wrote:I second that, i love fairies....



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Ok now I will have Get Real comment that with a vomit animation!! :roll:
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Postby Sahin Turk » Sat May 05, 2007 6:35 am

Piratis wrote:Can you show me these resolutions?


I take it that you have not looked into the history of Cyprus and never ventured to read any of the founding treaties that established the Original republic. The main pieces are referred to below:

Zurich and London Accords;
Treaty of Alliance; and
Treaty of Guarantee.

If you want details to why the Original republic was bi-communal, I highly recommend that you read all three and pay particular attention to the Zurich and London agreements.

There are no special privileges or nonsensical items referred to by some on this forum. Clearly, the original republic was established as a shared republic for its indigenous and dominant Turkish and Greek nations.

The Original republic was bicommunal because of the following:

• The executive branch was to be comprised of a Greek elected Greek president and a Turkish elected Turkish vice-president – the Turkish VP had an effective veto over the presidency
• Seven Greek Cypriot ministers would be accompanied by three Turkish Cypriot ministers
• Municipalities would be managed along separate ethnic lines and communities that were comprised of sizeable Turkish and Greek inhabitants would have separate councils
• House of Representatives was to have 35 Greek and 15 Turkish members
• There was to be a 70:30 Turk-Greek split of the bureaucracy, except for the armed forces which would be manned at 60:40 Greek-to-Turk
• The Turks and Greeks would have separate Communal Chambers

If have difficulty finding the actual documentation and I can have look for you as well.
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Postby Sahin Turk » Sat May 05, 2007 6:40 am

DT wrote:Actually Zan Sahins initial points that Piratis has answered to are complete crap...even you must admit that. 2 nations joined in 1960? Resolutions calling for union with Greece after 1960?


Just crap eh? I hate repeating myself, so do yourself the courtesy of reading my the earlier post regarding the Zurich and London Agreements, the Treaty of Guarantee, and the Treaty of Alliance for your first point (i.e. 2 nations creating the Original republic).

As for the second point you refer to the details are that on 26 June 1967, the Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus's unconstitutional House of Representatives unanimously passed a resolution that affirmed the following:

despite any adverse circumstances it will not suspend the struggle being conducted with the support of all Greeks, until this struggle ends in success through the union of the whole and undivided Cyprus with the motherland, without any intermediary stage.

Is that resolution a hoax too?
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Postby Sahin Turk » Sat May 05, 2007 6:44 am

free_cyprus wrote:Sahin Turk
i rather you did not speak with me thank you.................. your name says it all................and if your name says it all what kind of conversation i could possibly have with someone without a......brain..................as for insulting i havent even open my mouth yet and you really dont want to listen to me when i get going


Now now ... you see that's the problem ... Extremists Greeks do not want to discuss and negotiate with rationale Turks. At least you are consistent with Papadopoulos's lead ... afraid to talk.

Ah well ... if you respond to me, I will do by best to reciprocate.
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Postby Sahin Turk » Sat May 05, 2007 6:54 am

growuptcs wrote:mem101, bringing up the 50s, 60's, and early 70's is just horseshit to keep the TRNC going. Your still trying to live the past so be it, most of us moved ahead, but thats the only excuse left that you dont want to give in to or you know what has to be done. I know you dont care if your kids are stuck in an environment that isn't going anywhere, question is, is whos worse for your kids futures GC present mentalities or TC present mentalities?


Why? Or is it historical fact to prove that we ought to have two separate, independent and sovereign states on the island. Obviously the Greeks of Cyprus do not want to share the sovereignty that was rightfully bestowed on the two founding nations in 1960!

The Greeks of Cyprus even rejected the Annan plan which was far too biased in favour of the traditional Greek thesis. How much more can you possibly want? Oh, that's right ... it's the whole island!
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Postby Sahin Turk » Sat May 05, 2007 7:07 am

humanist wrote:it was never my nor my family's inspiration. one can hardly give up on somethng one does not believe in or supported, in the first instance. EOKA B is exagerated by many on this forum to validate their argument and dilute the facts of their partition ideology. Their may be some greeks of cyprus who may wish for this however the majority of Cypriots do not.


I can only refer to the details we are present with ... the original plebiscite that was sponsored by the Ethnarchy had a 95 percent vote in favour of uniting Cyprus with Greece. Your family may have been amongst the 5% that rejected it ... I won't speak on behalf of you or your family.

What we know is that most Greeks saw Cyprus's natural position as being with Greece. Even if we disregard the history and the organisations and the events, then why would Costas Simitis's first words to Papadopoulos be we have achieved ENOSIS with the Greek Cypriot Republic's accession to the EU?

There must be some truth in all this talk of ENOSIS - after all, Papadopoulos was a leading pro-Enosis personality who was a part of the EOKA and Akritas and even honours past EOKA members with medals during his presidency.

To deny that most Greeks of Cyprus wanted Greece to annex Cyprus I think is a very hard claim to substantiate.
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Postby Sahin Turk » Sat May 05, 2007 7:09 am

humanist wrote:I second that, i love fairies....


Too funny :lol: You're opening yourself up for cheaky comebacks :wink:
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Postby growuptcs » Sat May 05, 2007 7:29 am

Sahin Turk wrote:

How much more can you possibly want?


Just whats rightfully, and legally my family's, that we never accepted any kind of compensation from any government. (Not that they offered anything, nor are we willing to give any of it up either)How much can you possibly want from before 1974?, or the question is, is how much more did you get from 1974?
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Postby Sahin Turk » Sat May 05, 2007 7:54 am

growuptcs wrote:Sahin Turk wrote:

How much more can you possibly want?


Just whats rightfully, and legally my family's, that we never accepted any kind of compensation from any government. (Not that they offered anything, nor are we willing to give any of it up either)How much can you possibly want from before 1974?, or the question is, is how much more did you get from 1974?


Do you really want to walk down that path? Wasn't it bad enough that the Turks of Cyprus had their bi-communal republic illegally taken away, the Turks of Cyprus were stripped of their rights and homes, the Turks of Cyprus were forced to live in enclaves as refugees in their own homeland (less than 3% at that).

We can both play the blame game or sit down to work out an alternative ... an the alternative that does not consist of osmosis either.
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