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Kifeas
You will find the anwer you want, once you define to us what an American is, what an Australian is, what a Canadian is, what a south African is, what a British is, and finally (here is the tricky part for you,) what a Turk is!

i been saying this all along, soo you do agree with me that, you are a turkish speaking cypriot. and not a turk then

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Sahin Turk

Most people on this forum tend to feed on realities that only they can understand. They seem to act like little children and close their eyes in the hope that the big bad world will go away and in particular the big bad Turks. We stick bloody great big flags up to show them where we are and we even light them up so their short sighted eyes are not strained but hey still close their eyes and count to ten. They talk to Turkey and refuse to talk to us as Cypriots and again think hat we will just go away. They quote the 1960 constitution when it suits them but then refuse the fact that the RoC is an illegal entity under that very same constitution. It is all right though because it is not hem we have to convince. They will take every opportunity they can and use it against us regardless of its ethics. The recognition of the TRNC?KKTC is inevitable unless they take us seriously. Here's to living in hope.

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zan
i have been saying on this forum publicaly that the zurich agreement was illigal and unjust for the cypriot people and yet i have been named and shamed as someone bad lol

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zan
i have been saying on this forum publicaly that the zurich agreement was illigal and unjust for the cypriot people and yet i have been named and shamed as someone bad lol

It may have been unjust in some peoples' eyes but it was not illegal. It was signed by the relative parties. The claim that it was signed under duress is not relevant as far as I am concerned because if Makarios had not had other plans then we could have changed it to what ever we wanted if only we had united. The rest is history as the saying goes.

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zan
self ditermination in the wrld of poletics means a nation has taken resposibility to be self seficient and self determining..................what part of the zurich agreement gave that to cyprus.........................where it says greece and trukey have the right to come and go in cyprus as they feel like it ......................or is it where it says we the cypriots have to have two armies run by greek and turkish generals................or is it the part that everything is negotiable except the soverieng brittish bases......... is this is called independence feck that for game of cards......................not only that today we have the north and the south both get told what to say what to and how to do it by turkey and greece.....................................

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zan
self ditermination in the wrld of poletics means a nation has taken resposibility to be self seficient and self determining..................what part of the zurich agreement gave that to cyprus.........................where it says greece and trukey have the right to come and go in cyprus as they feel like it ......................or is it where it says we the cypriots have to have two armies run by greek and turkish generals................or is it the part that everything is negotiable except the soverieng brittish bases......... is this is called independence feck that for game of cards......................not only that today we have the north and the south both get told what to say what to and how to do it by turkey and greece.....................................

It didn't. But what do you think that they could have done if the TCs were treated fairly and we united as the people of Cyprus and changed OUR constitution. Makarios has a lot o answer for in his decision to play god and think that he could outsmart the rest of the world with out real unity is Cyprus. We were people from Cyprus before the Zurich agreement. We became Cypriots after that and the responsibility was with our first elected leader. He screwed it all up for ENOSIS. We now have neither in the true sense of the word.

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zan
cyprus did not stand a chance lets face it turkey and greece recruted somany agents in there to comit crimes against our own people the cypriots.............not only that 95% of cypriots in the early fifties did not have education and the ones that did have it they exploited cypriots be it greek speaking or turkish speaking they have done it.................. and they have done it on the ground that their beliefs are that they are turkish and greeks and that their roots is to be found in greece and turkey..................................andyet there is no conclusive prooof of this apart from the spoken language that we share......................i asked the forum what they think about taking a dna test to see if they are greeks and turks they laughed at me....................i said cyprus has been invaded raped pillaged for three thousand years or more............result we are still greeks and turks .......................with these kind of brains...................do you really wonder why we dont have a solution for cyprus when we are hanging onto turkeys and greeces approns

[Sahin Turk]

You will find the anwer you want, once you define to us what an American is, what an Australian is, what a Canadian is, what a south African is, what a British is, and finally (here is the tricky part for you,) what a Turk is!

If it were only that simple; life is seldom simply black or white. The Americans have fought a civil war this still has its mark on the psyche of those who were either a part of the "union" or the confederacy, and while Americans are patriotic, the U.S. is a far cry from what can be considered a nation-state. As for Canada, are the Quebecqois Canadian? Maybe to some, but not to others. Australia - a country with a many white racists that live under the facade of Canadianesque multicultural society, but are fry cry from being a tolerant society that is open to diverse cultures and norms.

Your response tries to blur the lines between civic identity and national/ethnic identity.

I know what it means to be a Turk, because I am one ... now do me a favour and answer my question. I have yet to read any respectable literature about Cyprus or the Cyprus problem that refers to the "Cypriot people" ... Cyprus is consistently described as an island (sometimes state) with two (founding) peoples: Turks and Greeks.

[Sahin Turk]

Greek Cypriots in their majority do not want union with Greece. Beyond that we live in a democratic country and every individual is free to think, say, and fly whatever flags he desires. There is nothing illegal or criminal with that.

Point taken, the same applies to the KKTC (TRNC).

What is criminal and illegal is the occupation of the northern part of Cyprus by Turkey, and your excuses ("oh, I've seen Greek flags in a stadium so it means I can now kill you and steal your homes") are as lame as they can get.

What is also criminal is the hijacking of the original Republic of Cyprus, first by Makarios, and then by the ensuing Greek Cypriot leadership. Whether you agree or not, the Constitution of the original island republic was concurred to by its two founding nations (the Turks and Greeks of Cyprus) and guaranteed by Turkiye, Greece, and the UK. Yet the Greek community did not want to share the powers of the state as it was agreed to and acknowledged by the state's constitution.

Moreover, the Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus (post Dec 1963) went further to pass resolutions calling for the union of our island with Greece. This also goes against both the word and spirit of the Island's constitution.

The founding partners of the Original republic were then forced into enclaves that accounted for less than 3 percent of the island's total land mass. I think that is rather criminal and when coupled with the Akritas organisation and its 'esteemed' plan, amount to the planned genocide of one-half of the original republic's founding nations.

End the illegalities, give back the land you stole, stop the crimes, and feel free to think, say, fly flags or whatever else you want within the limits of the law.

Diddo ... don't have selective memory, be hypocritical and expect to be applauded.

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zan
self ditermination in the wrld of poletics means a nation has taken resposibility to be self seficient and self determining..................what part of the zurich agreement gave that to cyprus.........................where it says greece and trukey have the right to come and go in cyprus as they feel like it ......................or is it where it says we the cypriots have to have two armies run by greek and turkish generals................or is it the part that everything is negotiable except the soverieng brittish bases......... is this is called independence feck that for game of cards......................not only that today we have the north and the south both get told what to say what to and how to do it by turkey and greece.....................................

By whose definition. Have a look at the UN Charter and volumes of other contributions re: national self-determination or self-determination. Your definition is the first I've read that alludes to what you are claiming.