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[Piratis]

The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is a Turkish state home to the Turks of Cyprus. It appears that some people in this forum are living in a dream world. We Turks of Cyprus have our own state and will continue to live under Turkish sovereignty.

You can live with reality or in an imaginary world ... you can even come visit the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus ... after all, we Turks are very hospital people and don't discriminate.

Hos Geldiniz sefa getirdiniz.

Haydi evallaha.

First of all, such thing as "trnc" does not exist. It is just how the Turks name their illegal occupation of the northern part of Cyprus.

Secondly, the now occupied part of Cyprus is the homeland of 50.000 TCs and 200.000 GCs, so how can this part of Cyprus be Turkish when the great majority is Greek and it has 3000 years of Greek history?

If you were thinking that you could create a state by means of invasion and ethnic cleansing, then think again, and you might understand why your pseudo state is not, and will never be recognized by any civilized nation.

Today is the 21st century, it is not the era of the Ottomans where the Turks could just invade, rape and butcher the people and then declare the land they stole as theirs.

[free_cyprus]

Piratis
you wrote
Today is the 21st century, it is not the era of the Ottomans where the Turks could just invade, rape and butcher the people and then declare the land they stole as theirs.

but i say this regarding every empire in history and yet when i say this......................everyone in the furum has a tantrum................... so perhaps you can tell me how many times has cyprus been invaded and ruled in history

[Piratis]

Would it be different if I said "is not the era of the Han dynasty", or "is not the era of colonizing the New Word"?

What I mean here is that in the 21st century countries can not be created in such a barbaric way, but unfortunately some Turks seem to be missing the era that the Ottomans would act exactly in that way and suffer no consequences in return.

[free_cyprus]

Piratis
people in power abuse power
chine occupies tibet.....................indea and pakistan still fighting over kasmir.............. america in afganistan and iraq.........africa i can name you ten vountries that re in stutgour as a result of war............... we are living in abarbaric world we do not live in a world of harmony and this has been my point in this forum for ages but people misunderstand me

[Sahin Turk]

First of all, such thing as "trnc" does not exist. It is just how the Turks name their illegal occupation of the northern part of Cyprus.

Of course it does, if you travel northward from southern Greek Cyprus, you are bound to arrive at a border and you will be, if legally attempting to enter, allowed to cross into the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus - for the record though, I prefer to refer to my homeland as Kuzey Kibris Turk Cumhuriyeti or KKTC for short.

While you may not like the bare facts, KKTC has a functioning, multi-party democracy, civic institutions, a judiciary, and every other element of a functioning state. You can blink, but you won't miss it ... it really is there.

Secondly, the now occupied part of Cyprus is the homeland of 50.000 TCs and 200.000 GCs, so how can this part of Cyprus be Turkish when the great majority is Greek and it has 3000 years of Greek history?

Hmmmmm ... we must be reading a different history. I try to keep my sources diverse, not to be shaded with any particular bias. Here is a good examle by Sir George Hill:

But at no time has the island [Cyprus] been a constituent part of Hellenic Greece. It was absorbed, along with, but not as an integral part of, Greece proper and teh Aegean area, by the Byzantine Empire. Its church was an autocephalous member of the Holy Eastern orthodox Church, and thus religion combined with language to foster the idea that Cypriots were Greek in Origin.

If you were thinking that you could create a state by means of invasion and ethnic cleansing, then think again, and you might understand why your pseudo state is not, and will never be recognized by any civilized nation.

Today is the 21st century, it is not the era of the Ottomans where the Turks could just invade, rape and butcher the people and then declare the land they stole as theirs.

Ahhhh ... unfortunately, the bastardised Republic of Cyprus is recognised even though its existence is in direct non-compliance with its constitution. Your institutions have passed resolutions calling for the union of our island with Greece and your president is an EOKA member who has sworn his allegiance to a cause that defies every ounce of justice the original constitution championed.

How ironic that your logic refutes your very own argument.

[Piratis]

Of course it does, if you travel northward from southern Greek Cyprus, you are bound to arrive at a border and you will be, if legally attempting to enter, allowed to cross into the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus - for the record though, I prefer to refer to my homeland as Kuzey Kibris Turk Cumhuriyeti or KKTC for short.

While you may not like the bare facts, KKTC has a functioning, multi-party democracy, civic institutions, a judiciary, and every other element of a functioning state. You can blink, but you won't miss it ... it really is there.

Here are all the states http://www.un.org/members/list.shtml There is no such thing as "trnc". You once attempted to create that yes, but it was immediately declared as invalid. Here are the relevant UN resolutions:

The Security Council,

Having heard the statement of the Foreign Minister of the Government of the Republic of Cyprus,

Concerned at the declaration by the Turkish Cypriot authorities issued on 15 November 1983 which purports to create in independent state in northern Cyprus,

Considering that this declaration is incompatible with the 1960 Treaty concerning the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus and the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee,

Considering therefore that the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" is invalid, and will contribute to a worsening of the situation in Cyprus,

Reaffirming its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975),

Aware of the need of a solution to the Cyprus problem, based on the mission of good offices undertaken by the Secretary-General,

Affirming its continued support for the United Nations Peace- keeping Force in Cyprus,

Taking note of the Secretary-Generals statement of 17 November 1983,

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration refereed to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

3. Calls for the urgent and effective implementation of its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975);

4. Requests the Secretary-General to peruse his mission of good offices in order to achieve the earliest possible progress towards a just and lasting settlement in Cyprus;

5. Calls upon the parties to co-operate with the Secretary- General in his mission of good offices;

6. Calls upon all states to respect the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

7. Calls upon all states not to recognise any Cypriot state other than the Republic of Cyprus;

8. Calls upon all states and the two communities in Cyprus to refrain from any action which might exacerbate the situation;

9. Requests the Secretary-General to keep the Security Council fully informed.

What we have in northern Cyprus is called Illegal Turkish Occupation. "trnc" is nothing more than the label that the Turks gave to their illegal occupation of Cyprus.

[free_cyprus]

Piratis
that fecking treaty you refer to in 1960 sold us cypriots to turkey and greece....................... and now we have people shouting we are greek cypriots and turkish cypriots .....................you lot are as bout turkish or greek as an amazonian talking portogues

[Piratis]

Hmmmmm ... we must be reading a different history. I try to keep my sources diverse, not to be shaded with any particular bias. Here is a good examle by Sir George Hill:

But at no time has the island [Cyprus] been a constituent part of Hellenic Greece. It was absorbed, along with, but not as an integral part of, Greece proper and teh Aegean area, by the Byzantine Empire. Its church was an autocephalous member of the Holy Eastern orthodox Church, and thus religion combined with language to foster the idea that Cypriots were Greek in Origin.

So your source is a a British colonialist that wrote some "history" to explain the colonial rule of Britain over Cyprus? So maybe according to him one day the great majority of Cyprus suddenly started to speak Greek, right?

Here is some much more reliable history from
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html


First Greeks in Cyprus:

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

First Turks in Cyprus:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

Ahhhh ... unfortunately, the bastardised Republic of Cyprus is recognised even though its existence is in direct non-compliance with its constitution. Your institutions have passed resolutions calling for the union of our island with Greece and your president is an EOKA member who has sworn his allegiance to a cause that defies every ounce of justice the original constitution championed.

How ironic that your logic refutes your very own argument.

EOKA fought against the colonialist, and union with Greece has been our right. http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm Go there to see that " integration into an independent State" is one of the "the three legitimate options" for decolonization of a territory, if thats what the majority of the population wanted. The fact that this was denied to us by the colonialists is a direct violation of our rights.

After 1960 we reluctantly accepted what was forced on us and there were no "resolutions calling for the union of our island with Greece". You pulled that out of your ass?

[DT.]

you guys noticed that every now and then a fellow like this sahin turk comes along and starts declaring the State of northern cyprus to exist? If it existed you wouldn't be in here every so often yelling about it. Ever heard an American or Swede declaring that their state REALLY DOES EXIST I TELL YOU!!!?

no matter how much you hold your breath you're not a real boy. You're still made of wood matey.

[Jerry]

First of all, such thing as "trnc" does not exist. It is just how the Turks name their illegal occupation of the northern part of Cyprus.

Of course it does, if you travel northward from southern Greek Cyprus, you are bound to arrive at a border and you will be, if legally attempting to enter, allowed to cross into the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus - for the record though, I prefer to refer to my homeland as Kuzey Kibris Turk Cumhuriyeti or KKTC for short.

While you may not like the bare facts, KKTC has a functioning, multi-party democracy, civic institutions, a judiciary, and every other element of a functioning state. You can blink, but you won't miss it ... it really is there.

Secondly, the now occupied part of Cyprus is the homeland of 50.000 TCs and 200.000 GCs, so how can this part of Cyprus be Turkish when the great majority is Greek and it has 3000 years of Greek history?

Hmmmmm ... we must be reading a different history. I try to keep my sources diverse, not to be shaded with any particular bias. Here is a good examle by Sir George Hill:

But at no time has the island [Cyprus] been a constituent part of Hellenic Greece. It was absorbed, along with, but not as an integral part of, Greece proper and teh Aegean area, by the Byzantine Empire. Its church was an autocephalous member of the Holy Eastern orthodox Church, and thus religion combined with language to foster the idea that Cypriots were Greek in Origin.

If you were thinking that you could create a state by means of invasion and ethnic cleansing, then think again, and you might understand why your pseudo state is not, and will never be recognized by any civilized nation.

Today is the 21st century, it is not the era of the Ottomans where the Turks could just invade, rape and butcher the people and then declare the land they stole as theirs.

Ahhhh ... unfortunately, the bastardised Republic of Cyprus is recognised even though its existence is in direct non-compliance with its constitution. Your institutions have passed resolutions calling for the union of our island with Greece and your president is an EOKA member who has sworn his allegiance to a cause that defies every ounce of justice the original constitution championed.

How ironic that your logic refutes your very own argument.

The only way the "TRNC" can function as an "independent" state is if Turkey continues to prop it up with millions of dollars courtesy of the USA. Is all Turkey wants is a base on the island, she will dump you lot and negotiate to keep enough of Cyprus for her own needs in order to get into the EU.

Don't give us Constitution crap - you are not supposed to have 40,000 troops on the island.