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[LENA]

Here we go again…one more time my dear Murataga…by the way I didn’t bother to reply to your whole post to go and read the last part…that’s why you came back with the same lines! But anyway…I am a teacher…I am used to repeat my self over and over again when is necessary!

@Lena-

Turkey recognises the “TRNC” as a legal state…and is the country that illegally occupies that part of Cyprus. Power is what really matters and not human’s right. It suits you to believe that we want ENOSIS at 2007, “TRNC” is the perfect “STATE” with the Turkish army all around…and GC have nothing to do with the north part and we got lots of money from somewhere because we got killed!

I`ll go over your summary:

Turkey recognises the “TRNC” as a legal state

Yes and 57 other countries as a constitutent state of Cyprus.

Please read that … ok my dear?

So we are talking about Turkey that occupy the north part of Cyprus, which has so much power to force the Organization of the Islamic Conference (which Turkey is one of the most powerful members) to accept and recognise the north part of the island as a state.
Then you admit that even if Turkey recognises the north part doesn’t make it right!!! Thanks for that.
By the way, does Europe recognise the north part as individual state? USA? Australia? Africa? China? Japan? So what do we have here? The power of money (Turkish money) forced an Islamic organisation which is a member to recognise an illegal move. Murataga…lets repeat the question…and I hope this time you will get my point!!!
Does any country recognise the north part of Cyprus as a different state…APART FROM TURKEY?

and is the country that illegally occupies that part of Cyprus

No. Turkey has never claimed that Cyprus is her`s. They make up for the military strength that we can`t. They are here to protect us from the 40000 GC National Guard and the GC leadership that envisages a Hellenic Cyprus.

They came here with a plan. To get Cyprus. That was their purpose. The excuse was the protection. And why they are still here since they came just to protect the TC. Why since they had so good emotions they killed and raped and destroy? Why they came to protect a number of TC and they killed a number of GC that is equal to that? Why they came to protect TC since it’s not their business? That was a Cypriot problem not a Turkish! And why they put Turkish laws, Turkish educational system, Turkish rules and government, Turkish army all over? Since they protect them (TC) why they didn’t leave and let the TC alone?

Power is what really matters and not human’s right.

To the contrary. Unfortunately the GC administration did not and does not respect this.

Since you mention the power I thought you believed that. Since you are in favour of Turkey that has such a power to convince other countries for their illegalities I thought you believe that power is what matters. Since you are in favour of violation of GC human’s right I thought that you believed that POWER IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS AND NOT HUMAN’S RIGHT!

It suits you to believe that we want ENOSIS at 2007

GC leadership wanted ENOSIS back than. They were prooved that it would not happen. Today they want a Hellenic Cyprus. They are being prroven and will be prooven that they it will not happen.

Please this time read my whole post ok...that copy paste takes time...

The ENOSIS was something that belongs to the past. Nobody wants to unite with Greece. We are an independent state member of EU, with our own government, recognised from the whole world. Why do you think that we want ENOSIS now? That was something that some people wanted in the past. [...]I will admit that “I” believe that you are right for the present leadership. I believe that T.Papadopoulos doesn’t want unification…BUT that was not always the issue…I believe that (even if I completely disagree with Klerides) he wanted unification….and we have done steps forward the TC rights with lots of laws that exist and you did steps back from our rights. I understand why TC didn’t want the ENOSIS…and you admitted that TC fight for their rights…well I agree that they was right to protest but not by killing people as it happened in the past! And why Turkey had to interfere to that. That was a problem among Cypriots. Not Turkish! So why did Turkey invaded? Why they killed innocent women and children, why they raped women? For the TC protection?

Answer to all of my questions please. Open my eyes. Tell me the truth. I will believe you...but only the truth ok?

“TRNC” is the perfect “STATE” with the Turkish army all around

I never said that the TRNC is the perfect state. It is the sovereign, independent and free country of proud TCs.

Don’t make me laugh! Sovereign? ???? To what?? Independent and free? With all the Turkish army around? Country? I know only one county around there...it called Cyprus and is an island...lovely people live there...do you want me to show you around?

GC have nothing to do with the north part

Not anymore. This did not happen over a night. Read the whole Cyprus problem.

WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN? NOT ANY MORE? WHAT ABOUT HUMANS RIGHT? WHAT ABOUT THE GC LAND? WHAT ABOUT THE LAWS? WHAT ABOUT OUR FAMILY GRAVES? WHAT ABOUT OUR HISTORY? I KNOW THE CYPRUS PROBLEM! DO YOU????

we got lots of money from somewhere because we got killed!

The GC administration received financial aid and recognition despite their crimes.

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You said that we got money and recognition because of the crimes committed against TC!! Are you blind or what? Do you read what you said or not? We got financial help as any country get after a war...like Lebanon got ... like Israel from UN for the people that left without houses, without families, without shelters, without food ... should I move on? You said that you got money from Turkey...that Turkey supports you? So should I believe that is what happened with you? You got paid for TMT crimes? Got paid because you helped Turkey invasion? Is that what you are telling me? Cyprus was recognised since 1960...not 1975...after the war...so I supposed that you got your “recognition” as a pay back for your help to Turkey for the crimes against GCs....IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME?


If i forgot anything please let me know...

[LENA]

@Lena-

but by making compliments I am not going to sell out my country...

And I am not going to sell out mine`s with compliments or attacks.

Either do I. And I am not going to be nice because of a compliment if I will support my country!

[LENA]

Hey look every one....Kikapyro has learned a new Turkish word and is using it till it wears out. Shame you do not recognise the wrongs that were done to us and just like your brain washed friends you only see their side of the story.

So I supposed you agree with all that Murataga said? Shame because he recognise the Turkish part in those crimes? Do you see both sides Zan?

[Kikapu]

Hey look every one....Kikapyro has learned a new Turkish word and is using it till it wears out. Shame you do not recognise the wrongs that were done to us and just like your brain washed friends you only see their side of the story.

Most of us want to live in the New Century with prosperity and opportunity, in peace and not like some, who still cherish the days of the 15th century mentality.

Is your hate for people open ended Zan. Are you not able to forgive, but not forget. Do you have any humanity in you to see suffering of others, or do you only see ours.

Is it because we are able to push our will on others, because we can, but yet, these are the same complaints you always want to remind us, as to what they did to us in the past. So I guess, we wait until they will do it to us again, and if that happens, I do not want to hear any shit from you, as to once again, what they are doing to us, again. I want you to say to the GC's, yes, we deserve it, because we did the same to you, last time around.

If you think history does not repeat it self, you have another thing coming to you. It's time to get yourself out of the 15th Century and into the New Century.

[Kikapu]

I'm impressed Kikapu, 61 pages...

I'm sure we will break One Hundred Natty. I'm almost 99.9% certain.

[Murataga]

@Lena-

I read your post, both of them. Now you read this: It is not my duty to answer your 10s of senseless questions, especially after you have proved beyond any doubt that you are not willing to respect or comprehend them. If you want a dialogue let’s carryout one but this is not a “you ask 10 questions –I spend 10 hours answering them” thing. I guess you think you are in your classroom… After reading the contents of your posts it saddened me to learn that you are a teacher, I hope not all GC teachers are like you. It is most disturbing to read the things you have written to be coming from a teacher.

[Viewpoint]

LENA

I have one question for you. I am not going to comment anything from what I read above…which I am a bit shocked I can admit…but can you tell me please why since you decided that you will keep your anonymity to protect your family and your self…you rejected my offer, Miltiades offer, Pyros offer if I remember correct, why you met Zan first, you said you ask from Miltiades on your last trip in London and you was trying so bad to see Kikapu in north? You don’t want to keep your anonymity?

They challenged me and I rose to the challenge, I was prepared to reveal my identity to these people to prove how stupid they had been with all their false accusations but they backed down as they would have to have eaten humble pie admitting how idiotic and wrong they had been in front of other forum members.

VP…then why you didn’t meet Kikapu south as he asked from you since it was what you said above your reason to meet him? Can I ask you if I may if it was you that offer him to meet up or he offered you to meet?

Meeting in the south would not prove how wrong kikapolous and his pack exactly are and how stupid they have been. I was willing to show him around and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am not a TRNC official or linked to any sort of propaganda dept but of course these big mouthed people quickly retreated once I rose to their challenge and evne today they have the nerve to keep bringing up the same ill informed and ficticious cliche sayings. But what can you do with ignorant children whos persist in believing their own fairy tales.

You can prove who you are even if you are in UK. USA, Turkey, Greece, South Arabia, Cyprus ... is what you have done with Zan...Am I wrong?

Why it was so necessary to meet in the north since you wanted just to prove who you are...and he didnt want more trouble during his visit?....he was scared from the beginning anyway...Why it was so difficult for you to meet him south? Since you admitted that you 've been south before, it was not going to be your first time. You could make him feel secure and convince him to follow you in the north...so...????

Lena you are being silly now how can I just turn up in the south and prove who I am by showing my passsport or id card, they would still say I work for TRNC government and take the piss. Kikapolous coming north would have allowed me to show him my work place, introduce him to my work colleagues, my family and friends and proved once and for all that they have been so stupid about accusing me of things I have nothing to do with, but of course this would not serve their purpose of discrediting me and my viewpoint.

[LENA]

@Lena-

I read your post, both of them. Now you read this: It is not my duty to answer your 10s of senseless questions, especially after you have proved beyond any doubt that you are not willing to respect or comprehend them. If you want a dialogue let’s carryout one but this is not a “you ask 10 questions –I spend 10 hours answering them” thing. I guess you think you are in your classroom… After reading the contents of your posts it saddened me to learn that you are a teacher, I hope not all GC teachers are like you. It is most disturbing to read the things you have written to be coming from a teacher.

What are you trying to do Murataga? I am so patient but only with few post you manage to pissed me off. Anyway! As you wish...one by one the questions...we will reach the 200 pages by that but what the hell...at least I might got my answers. It was difficult for you to spend a bit of your time to answer them. But hey...as you wish. Why the fact that I am a teacher made you sad?

[LENA]

Lena you are being silly now how can I just turn up in the south and prove who I am by showing my passsport or id card, they would still say I work for TRNC government and take the piss. Kikapolous coming north would have allowed me to show him my work place, introduce him to my work colleagues, my family and friends and proved once and for all that they have been so stupid about accusing me of things I have nothing to do with, but of course this would not serve their purpose of discrediting me and my viewpoint.

But you could prove that you are a man as you said. And usually government jobs have a sort of ID or something. I am sorry if I am wrong but I think you admitted that you work for the "government" or not? Anyway, I agree that you have your point as well. You are right on that but why you dont believe what he said? Why you dont believe that he is TC? Did you talk with him in Turkish?

[Murataga]

Kikapu wrote-

Murataga,

Let me be the first to tell you how well you put your words together, to give a real meaning to what is it that you want to say, however, despite of all that, you are putting a "nation" called the "TRNC" at the expense of other rightful owners of this land. In short my friend, you are committing the ultimate sin of "HARAM". How proud of a "Nation" can it be, when it's society becomes corrupt through it's actions, whether you can justify reasons for them or not. America is one of the most violent societies in the world. It is in their heritage from the lawlessness of the Wild West. Are we going to hear in the future, the corrupt society of the TRNC, because of it's heritage of land stealer's.

Or does it not matter at the end, just how societies develop.??

Thank you for the kind words. I can see where you are coming from in your arguement and grant that it has logic to it aswell. However, some points in it have to be clearified:

The Cyprus Problem can not and should not be reduced down to a property ownership issue for we have lost ours aswell and we have lost ours way before the GCs did. Of course land issue is an essential portion but there are issues pertaining to law, human rights, security and peace. It is extremely important to underline that we did not establish the TRNC in 1960 when the ROc was established, not in 1963 when we were kicked out of the partnership state, not during the following 11 years when were put under a siege and embargoed for refusing to succumb to ENOSIS, not when we were brought to the brink of annihilation under Greek Army’s attacks in 1967 invited by the GC administration, and I can not emphasize this enough: not in 1974 or the following 9 years. During all this time we were fighting for our survival. It would have probably gone on like that if Turkey did not intervene after a homicidal maniac called Sampson made a coup to hand Cyprus over to Greece, which in return triggered Turkey’s intervention. During Turkey’s intervention the GC National Guard carried out massacres of the TCs in villages like Murataga (hence the nickname), Sandallar and many others others. TCs after the attacks directed at them had to gather a step at a time to a safe living zone. Yet we did not declare any zone a country for 20 years (between 1963-1983) in hopes of finding a solution to the Cyprus Problem. Our hopes were smashed time after time with a determined GC administration set out on a crusade for ENOSIS and Hellenization of Cyprus. They continued to declare to the world that they are the representatives of Cyprus. We had to let the world know that we existed. Thus we established the TRNC. If it is a crime to seek refuge in a safe living zone against aggression directed at us, if it is a sin to run away from violence, if it is corrupt to want to live without the threat of dying, if it is unethical to defend one’s self from assault, if it is “HARAM” to be forced by the aggressor to evacuate to a safe territory on your island than God damn it we are guilty as charged, show me where to sign!