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[andri_cy]

lol Get Real.

[LENA]

Guys if we keep on a bit more we will reach Miltiades age soon with the number of pages since we missed the stop for Kikapus age!!!

[Kikapu]

Guys if we keep on a bit more we will reach Miltiades age soon with the number of pages since we missed the stop for Kikapus age!!!

Speaking of age, I think Miltiades should have celebrated his 40th and I should have celebrated my 35th.

Logic behind all this is, that we slept away the other years. They should not count..

On the other hand, retirement is getting further and further away.

[andri_cy]

lol kikapu...

[LENA]

Guys if we keep on a bit more we will reach Miltiades age soon with the number of pages since we missed the stop for Kikapus age!!!

Speaking of age, I think Miltiades should have celebrated his 40th and I should have celebrated my 35th.

Logic behind all this is, that we slept away the other years. They should not count..

On the other hand, retirement is getting further and further away.

With this logic...I dont exist!!!

[Viewpoint]

LENA

I have one question for you. I am not going to comment anything from what I read above…which I am a bit shocked I can admit…but can you tell me please why since you decided that you will keep your anonymity to protect your family and your self…you rejected my offer, Miltiades offer, Pyros offer if I remember correct, why you met Zan first, you said you ask from Miltiades on your last trip in London and you was trying so bad to see Kikapu in north? You don’t want to keep your anonymity?

They challenged me and I rose to the challenge, I was prepared to reveal my identity to these people to prove how stupid they had been with all their false accusations but they backed down as they would have to have eaten humble pie admitting how idiotic and wrong they had been in front of other forum members.

VP…then why you didn’t meet Kikapu south as he asked from you since it was what you said above your reason to meet him? Can I ask you if I may if it was you that offer him to meet up or he offered you to meet?

Meeting in the south would not prove how wrong kikapolous and his pack exactly are and how stupid they have been. I was willing to show him around and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am not a TRNC official or linked to any sort of propaganda dept but of course these big mouthed people quickly retreated once I rose to their challenge and evne today they have the nerve to keep bringing up the same ill informed and ficticious cliche sayings. But what can you do with ignorant children whos persist in believing their own fairy tales.

[LENA]

LENA

I have one question for you. I am not going to comment anything from what I read above…which I am a bit shocked I can admit…but can you tell me please why since you decided that you will keep your anonymity to protect your family and your self…you rejected my offer, Miltiades offer, Pyros offer if I remember correct, why you met Zan first, you said you ask from Miltiades on your last trip in London and you was trying so bad to see Kikapu in north? You don’t want to keep your anonymity?

They challenged me and I rose to the challenge, I was prepared to reveal my identity to these people to prove how stupid they had been with all their false accusations but they backed down as they would have to have eaten humble pie admitting how idiotic and wrong they had been in front of other forum members.

VP…then why you didn’t meet Kikapu south as he asked from you since it was what you said above your reason to meet him? Can I ask you if I may if it was you that offer him to meet up or he offered you to meet?

Meeting in the south would not prove how wrong kikapolous and his pack exactly are and how stupid they have been. I was willing to show him around and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am not a TRNC official or linked to any sort of propaganda dept but of course these big mouthed people quickly retreated once I rose to their challenge and evne today they have the nerve to keep bringing up the same ill informed and ficticious cliche sayings. But what can you do with ignorant children whos persist in believing their own fairy tales.

You can prove who you are even if you are in UK. USA, Turkey, Greece, South Arabia, Cyprus ... is what you have done with Zan...Am I wrong?

Why it was so necessary to meet in the north since you wanted just to prove who you are...and he didnt want more trouble during his visit?....he was scared from the beginning anyway...Why it was so difficult for you to meet him south? Since you admitted that you 've been south before, it was not going to be your first time. You could make him feel secure and convince him to follow you in the north...so...????

[zan]

Bir wrote-

Murataga wrote:
I am not playing anything. It is fair and square. You said that according to Article 10 Military`s power overrides the civilian power. I am pointing to you Article 10 of the constitution. Better yet, I am giving you the link to the whole constitution. Please translate to us what what Article 10 reads. If you do not want to for the obvious reason, than please show us where it says "Military`s power overrides the power of the civilian power".

http://www.cm.gov.nc.tr/cm/anayasa/index.htm

It is unacceptable to say the least for you to come to TRNC, and than take a piss on it on public forums like this based on your negative attitude. Anyone can reflect the best country in this world, let alone TRNC, like a shithole in hell with the right motive and you know it. You are not playing fair. I do not and never have claim/claimed that it is a perfect state. It has its faults, it has its mistakes it has its problems. But when you come here and reflect whatever is wrong with TRNC as the only things that exists there, you are crossing the line. I recall you saying that you were sick and tired of getting abused by TCs and mentioned how you appreciated my moderate tone of discussion with you. If you do not want to be abused than you should extend the same courtesy to the other side, just a simple principle of human correspondance. Whether you like it or not, whether you recognize it or not, whether you believe it or not, TRNC is where 300.000 people call home and their state.

I get my information mostly from the online version of the TC papers like Kibris,Yeni Duzen,Afrika and Halkin Sesi,Murataga...Are you denying that when Talat went to see Buyukanit in Ankara about dismantling that stupid Lokmaci bridge he was told that site was a "military site" and Military decides what happens there? And are you denying all that noise and fury in the TC papers when the local general in charge of the military in Trnc (Kivrikoglu?) openly said that according to the article 10 of the Trnc constitution when there was a seize fire situation the army's power overrode that of the parliament???And the general implied that his was the situation in Cyprus for the past 33 years...Are you saying this is figments of my imagination? Are you denying this uproar never happened?
Or are you saying the TC newspapers make up things as they go along???
Or perhaps you are saying the General was totally misguided on this issue???

Note: I am responding to your second post aswell here:

I live in the TRNC. I can twist your arm as I have done above with every single item of crap you threw at TRNC, make no mistake about this. But I don’t want to because: (1) as a person living in the TRNC I have the upper hand on this and it is not fair (2) it is a dead end conversation.

I am going to make a few suggestions to you and kindly ask that we put this thing down:

1) Do not believe everything you read in the newspapers. Try to sort some information out yourself and question that information, especially if you are going to present it on public forums like this to humiliate and belittle our country.

2) GC administration has the upper hand in the media war because they have more money. It has been proven beyond any doubt, and I have experienced a few cases from first hand, that the South GC Administration provides some/full funding to some of the newspapers, columnists, reporters, lobbyists, and politicians that operate in the TRNC. Unfortunately, it is achieving some success especially with the more vulnerable segments of our society such as the youth and TCs that live overseas like you. I suggest you keep this in mind before swallowing every bit of info you encounter on the net.

3) As I have mentioned before and will repeat again, I recognize that there are faults, mistakes and problems about the TRNC. However, keep in mind that every single country on the face of this planet does aswell. The solution to those problems is not moaning about them to GCs on public forums. If there are things wrong with a country you do not abandon and demonize her, you work hard to improve her. We are living under an extremely stringent embargo and I am extremely proud of the TRNC to be doing as well as she is.

4) Lastly, I am all for Cyprus to become the frying pan, but as long as TRNC`s independence, national sovereignty and freedom are respected.

Murataga...I have noted your points,and I am quite happy to consider them.Can you do me a favour and consider these points...

1.My aim is not to humiliate or belittle the Trnc.Because I really care about the future of my community that I try so hard to warn people of certain dangers I see.I do believe sincerly in what I say,and I am of a mature age and had plenty of life experiences to back up what I say.

2. It is very easy to accuse TC journalists of getting GC money to do their propaganda,just as it is very easy to label anyone "traitor" if they speak up and say what they think is wrong in an emotionally charged situation regarding their country or community.Just as it is very easy to call people "heretics" if their religious views do not match the accepted norm...
Suspicions and accusations and labelling are not always true.

3.It is essentially a Turkish thing (and to a lesser extend a TC thing) to want to save face and not air one's dirty linen in public,so to speak.It is an indication of the luck of a democratic culture,and respect for freedom of speech.I am sure other nationalities share this too,I am not saying it is only applicable to Turks.While this is natural in third world countries,and other places where authoritarianism is the accepted practise,we who have had the opportunity to live in Western countries where democracy is more or less practised should be able to discuss things openly and fairly.

4. How can a state/country which is not recognised by anyone in the world except the country which is treating her like a military base be independent,sovereign,and free???Please consider...

Murataga
You should take these points seriosly. It is traditional Turkish thinking. When your child is not doing well just beat the crap out of them some more until YOU feel better. Sod the child and what happens to it as long as you make your point.

[zan]

Guys if we keep on a bit more we will reach Miltiades age soon with the number of pages since we missed the stop for Kikapus age!!!

Speaking of age, I think Miltiades should have celebrated his 40th and I should have celebrated my 35th.

Logic behind all this is, that we slept away the other years. They should not count..

On the other hand, retirement is getting further and further away.

That about does it. You have slept he years away. You are not even vaguely in touch with he realities of what you claim to be your people. Good morning. After your coffee I will take you out and show you what has happened while you were sleeping

[zan]

So far in the last 1 hour or so, VP has given us three different versions of what he did in the Month of April.

In this thread, he first said, that he was on a last minute business trip.

Again on this tread, he said he was away for the whole month of April.

An last but not least, on "Miltiades Exposed" thread, he claims to be having a well deserve break in the UK resting..

I can't wait for the 4th version.

A last minute business trip, that lasts for a whole month.??

If you asked what kind of business he is into, I would say, "Monkey Business".

Sespit of ignorance, cant you have them all? Jump on a plane finish your business meeting and decide to stay longer and catch up with friends and relatives taking a deserved break, man you are really stupid.

I've finally got it VP. Kikapu is pyro. Hahahaha got you you sneaky little sod. It explains how and why the language goes from good to terrible and why he sometimes sounded like a little Greek man. It explains the logic, or more to the point the lack of it, in his story and the post he made above. I knew the inspector Clueso antics would give him away. No two people could be that alike, especially in the case of Pyro, no one could possibly be like Kikapu. What a sneaky little ******* you are Pyro. Nice one you have kept us going for so long. I have to give it to you. It has all come out in the wash though. Bad luck.......