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[Kikapu]

i think the vips need to get into this clinic so they can get their vertical and horizontal smiles fixed up...el pronto

Hey pitsilos,

That picture of the car is causing problems to the Screen. It's too wide. Can you delete it, before it's too late. Thanks.

[Viewpoint]

Wouldnt expect anything else from a coward, blaming someone else is always the easy option out and suits you down to the ground.

The only COWARD here is you. You would not even have the COURAGE to meet with me in Nicosia, in the RoC.

Oh I forgot. You were not able to bring your 40,000 body guards with you. But any time you want to meet me in London, let me know.

I was not on the island during your visit and have just returned from London. And even if I had of met you in the south Nicosia how would you have returned the the goodwill gesture and visit in the north?

If you were going to be out of the island, how could you have met me in the "TRNC"??. Is this something else you have just thought of to say, to cover your tracks. I still had the Military concerns with or without a meeting, but you could have still come down to help me with my concerns, since you are in with the government of the "TRNC".

Man re read what you wrote, dumb or what...you are sinking deeper and deeper into the sespit of stupidity and guilt....have u never heard of last minute business trips plus we had agree we were not going to meet anyway life does not come to a stand still just because you have decided to visit the GC south after 43 years of self exile.

[pitsilos]

i think the vips need to get into this clinic so they can get their vertical and horizontal smiles fixed up...el pronto

Hey pitsilos,

That picture of the car is causing problems to the Screen. It's too wide. Can you delete it, before it's too late. Thanks.

for you its no problem

ps. i know you are pre-occupied but it wasn't about the car...

[Get Real!]

... plus we had agree we were not going to meet anyway life does not come to a stand still just because you have decided to visit the GC south after 43 years of self exile.

I can't figure out why you did not go south and spend a couple of hours with him. It would've been a huge encouragement for him to follow you North on another day had you met up with him first

Kikapu's apprehension is expected after a 40+ year absence but what explains yours?

[Kikapu]

Wouldnt expect anything else from a coward, blaming someone else is always the easy option out and suits you down to the ground.

The only COWARD here is you. You would not even have the COURAGE to meet with me in Nicosia, in the RoC.

Oh I forgot. You were not able to bring your 40,000 body guards with you. But any time you want to meet me in London, let me know.

I was not on the island during your visit and have just returned from London. And even if I had of met you in the south Nicosia how would you have returned the the goodwill gesture and visit in the north?

If you were going to be out of the island, how could you have met me in the "TRNC"??. Is this something else you have just thought of to say, to cover your tracks. I still had the Military concerns with or without a meeting, but you could have still come down to help me with my concerns, since you are in with the government of the "TRNC".

Man re read what you wrote, dumb or what...you are sinking deeper and deeper into the sespit of stupidity and guilt....have u never heard of last minute business trips plus we had agree we were not going to meet anyway life does not come to a stand still just because you have decided to visit the GC south after 43 years of self exile.

You were missing for only 4 days or so from the forum, late April, so what is your point. You were in Cyprus during most of my stay there. Stop trying to create an Alibi to get you off the hook, with my original Accusations of you. You may be a good propagandist, but a very bad liar.

[Kikapu]

is this some kind of a date? and what would you girlfriend think of this kikapu? unless ofcource vips is ugly as sin

I need to do some "charity" work, now and again Pitsilos, ugly or not ugly.

[Kikapu]

i think the vips need to get into this clinic so they can get their vertical and horizontal smiles fixed up...el pronto

Hey pitsilos,

That picture of the car is causing problems to the Screen. It's too wide. Can you delete it, before it's too late. Thanks.

for you its no problem

ps. i know you are pre-occupied but it wasn't about the car...

NO no, I was aware what you were saying, and it was not about the car. Any way friend, you have solved the problem...many thanks.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir wrote-

Murataga wrote:
I am not playing anything. It is fair and square. You said that according to Article 10 Military`s power overrides the civilian power. I am pointing to you Article 10 of the constitution. Better yet, I am giving you the link to the whole constitution. Please translate to us what what Article 10 reads. If you do not want to for the obvious reason, than please show us where it says "Military`s power overrides the power of the civilian power".

http://www.cm.gov.nc.tr/cm/anayasa/index.htm

It is unacceptable to say the least for you to come to TRNC, and than take a piss on it on public forums like this based on your negative attitude. Anyone can reflect the best country in this world, let alone TRNC, like a shithole in hell with the right motive and you know it. You are not playing fair. I do not and never have claim/claimed that it is a perfect state. It has its faults, it has its mistakes it has its problems. But when you come here and reflect whatever is wrong with TRNC as the only things that exists there, you are crossing the line. I recall you saying that you were sick and tired of getting abused by TCs and mentioned how you appreciated my moderate tone of discussion with you. If you do not want to be abused than you should extend the same courtesy to the other side, just a simple principle of human correspondance. Whether you like it or not, whether you recognize it or not, whether you believe it or not, TRNC is where 300.000 people call home and their state.

I get my information mostly from the online version of the TC papers like Kibris,Yeni Duzen,Afrika and Halkin Sesi,Murataga...Are you denying that when Talat went to see Buyukanit in Ankara about dismantling that stupid Lokmaci bridge he was told that site was a "military site" and Military decides what happens there? And are you denying all that noise and fury in the TC papers when the local general in charge of the military in Trnc (Kivrikoglu?) openly said that according to the article 10 of the Trnc constitution when there was a seize fire situation the army's power overrode that of the parliament???And the general implied that his was the situation in Cyprus for the past 33 years...Are you saying this is figments of my imagination? Are you denying this uproar never happened?
Or are you saying the TC newspapers make up things as they go along???
Or perhaps you are saying the General was totally misguided on this issue???

Note: I am responding to your second post aswell here:

I live in the TRNC. I can twist your arm as I have done above with every single item of crap you threw at TRNC, make no mistake about this. But I don’t want to because: (1) as a person living in the TRNC I have the upper hand on this and it is not fair (2) it is a dead end conversation.

I am going to make a few suggestions to you and kindly ask that we put this thing down:

1) Do not believe everything you read in the newspapers. Try to sort some information out yourself and question that information, especially if you are going to present it on public forums like this to humiliate and belittle our country.

2) GC administration has the upper hand in the media war because they have more money. It has been proven beyond any doubt, and I have experienced a few cases from first hand, that the South GC Administration provides some/full funding to some of the newspapers, columnists, reporters, lobbyists, and politicians that operate in the TRNC. Unfortunately, it is achieving some success especially with the more vulnerable segments of our society such as the youth and TCs that live overseas like you. I suggest you keep this in mind before swallowing every bit of info you encounter on the net.

3) As I have mentioned before and will repeat again, I recognize that there are faults, mistakes and problems about the TRNC. However, keep in mind that every single country on the face of this planet does aswell. The solution to those problems is not moaning about them to GCs on public forums. If there are things wrong with a country you do not abandon and demonize her, you work hard to improve her. We are living under an extremely stringent embargo and I am extremely proud of the TRNC to be doing as well as she is.

4) Lastly, I am all for Cyprus to become the frying pan, but as long as TRNC`s independence, national sovereignty and freedom are respected.

Murataga...I have noted your points,and I am quite happy to consider them.Can you do me a favour and consider these points...

1.My aim is not to humiliate or belittle the Trnc.Because I really care about the future of my community that I try so hard to warn people of certain dangers I see.I do believe sincerly in what I say,and I am of a mature age and had plenty of life experiences to back up what I say.

2. It is very easy to accuse TC journalists of getting GC money to do their propaganda,just as it is very easy to label anyone "traitor" if they speak up and say what they think is wrong in an emotionally charged situation regarding their country or community.Just as it is very easy to call people "heretics" if their religious views do not match the accepted norm...
Suspicions and accusations and labelling are not always true.

3.It is essentially a Turkish thing (and to a lesser extend a TC thing) to want to save face and not air one's dirty linen in public,so to speak.It is an indication of the luck of a democratic culture,and respect for freedom of speech.I am sure other nationalities share this too,I am not saying it is only applicable to Turks.While this is natural in third world countries,and other places where authoritarianism is the accepted practise,we who have had the opportunity to live in Western countries where democracy is more or less practised should be able to discuss things openly and fairly.

4. How can a state/country which is not recognised by anyone in the world except the country which is treating her like a military base be independent,sovereign,and free???Please consider...

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,
There are thousands & thousands of TC males that enter the TRNC from all over the world, and all "without the protection from the USA & UK" as you put it. There really does seem to be some paranoia in you about the TRNC which in my opionion is unfounded and uncalled for.

You are a free man and can do what you wish - no-one will or can force you to go anywhere you are not comfortable, but to make out that you needed "legal protection" in the TRNC is stretching it a bit far.

I appreciate what you are saying 74LB, but you need to go back and read some of my fights with VP. Under normal circumstances, there isn't too many problems, as long as they signed on the dotted line to do their military later on, or they paid their "ransom" money, to get out of it. If you are a Cypriot in the "TRNC", and they refuse to give you a exit permit, there's not much anyone can do for you.

[iceman]

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