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[BirKibrisli]

Humanist this is a good post , more so the fact that the VPs and Zans will see that you and I , Kikapu and Bir , G/Cs and T/Cs agree with one profound issue. That Cyprus , North , South , East and West belongs to us all .Kikapu IS a T/C and so is Birkibrisli and they own all of Cyprus just as you and I do .
I will be visiting Cyprus end of May and I cant wait to pay homage to my dear friend Bir by visiting the village of his birth and kiss the ground on which he took his first steps , around 5 or 6 miles away from my own birth village , so close and yet the partitionists are proclaiming that we are foreigners to each other , and that this part of Cyprus is no different to Spain Malta or any other foreign land. What an insult by insensitive impostor Cypriots

Sorry for the delayed response,dear miltiades...
I am having difficulties catching up with the posts in this thread as I am away from my computer.I have been in Sydney since last Thursday,caring for my mum,and spending some time with my son as it was my access weekend...You are a true friend,nay,you are a true brother,and I will dream of the times when we will visit our villages together,shedding a tear or two over the past lunacy of our compatriots...

It is making me very sad,that some people have seen fit to desecrate Kikapu's first trip to his motherland in over 40 years...He is telling us how he felt and what actually happened on his voyage down the memory lane,and certain fuckedwits cannot stop themselves from seeing anti-trnc propaganda everywhere and attacking him...

Have a great trip,dear brother,and say a BIG "hello" to the land,and the sea, and the sky, and the people of my beloved Cyprus......

Next year in Paphos...!!!

[Kikapu]

You cannot see what this “story” of Kikapus has done to this forum. It has driven apart, further, those that you say you want to unite. Not one of you is prepared to criticise a single line in the over exaggerated personal view of a troubled mind. .

Zan,

What part of what I wrote of my trip to Cyprus, gave you any indication, that I have a "troubled mind". I wrote about over coming my fears mostly placed there by the Partitionist on this Forum. The fact that I was able to be amongst thousands of fellow Cypriots, who happened to be Greek speakers, was a great relief for me. Do you find anything wrong in that.? Don't you think, this was a positive outcome towards Unity, as you like to ridicule the GC's, as not wanting Unity, but just their land back.? You and VP, the two leading Partitionist on this Forum, are the only two, who have day after day, tried to counter, what I have written. Why is it, that the other TC's, are not following both your leads. I do not want to put any words in any one's mouths, but even if they do not agree with what I wrote, they surely not accusing me and siding with the Partitionist. This should cause some concern to you and VP. You two are the extreme of extremes, and all you are doing, is offending even the TC's, let alone the GC's.

So when me and VP say TPap or the GC administration you take it as being the entire GC race and you tell me you have not got a troubled mind. I have asked you several times to show me where I said that all GC are bad and hat you would have such a bad time in the "RoC" and you have not come up with a single piece of evidence but still you persist with your claim that we made you think that you would be attacked for being TC. Why have you not answered this question. Anything to do with it being a lie or at the very least a misunderstanding on your part. Give us the evidence or an apology. I have no doubt in my mind that I will get neither because the first does not exist and the second will blow your little fairy tail out of the water. I have long ago given up the notion that any fairness exists in the way you think.

On the point of other TCs thinking that your little story is just an exaggerated and biased article, again you have not been paying attention. Go back through this thread and find them. Even if it is just one more TC then your accusations are bunkum and you should apologize. Make sure you do this because if you don't I will. I am just giving you the chance to show us that you have any dignity left at all to own up.


The criticism that was directed at you I made clear at the beginning. It was because you used my name with intent to discredit what you understood, wrongly, I had said. If you had just come out of your little pathetic world for just one minute and stopped the deluded dreams of the hero you were going to be with this biased story of yours and how it was going to once and for all prove me and VP wrong and how the "RoC" was going to give you a medal, then you would have expected that we would not take it lying down. The Nobel Prize for literature goes toooooooooo..........................Sir Kikapu........Wake up Kikapu, you are day dreaming again.

Zan,

I appreciate the fact, that you take the time to write lenghty poats to me.

Perhaps you should read this and see what VP thought of my trip to Cyprus. Pages 2 to 7...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus8690.html

Did I write, that you said I will be attacked by the GC's. I do not remember saying that. I stated that according to you and VP, I would have a lot of problems being in the RoC. This did not necessarily mean, that I would be beaten up, but with the partitionist and propagandist posts that you two put out day and night, I was prepared to expect anything. With the amount of "poison" you two spew on the forum, one gets the sense of not being safe in the RoC. All I wrote about is, how all those anti Unification and pro partition statement made by you and VP to create insecurities, did not appear, when I was there, that's all.

Turkish_Cypriot took the part that you ridiculed regarding the 4 men talking Turkish and Greek in Larnaca, as being not true, because once again, you had created the illusion for him, that could never happen, and he bought into it, until I spelled it out to him, even giving him an address to locate these people. I believe he was satisfied with my explanation to him, but once again, you want to exploit that, to prove me wrong. His other question was regarding the Greek Flags, which I failed to write about, along few other items, but once again, I had addressed his question. I invited members to ask questions. If you are not sure what I wrote was real, true, false or different, then everyone was free to take me to task. You really don't have one thing I wrote about, to say it is not true. You cannot say what I wrote is not true, and here is the evidence or the reasons. You just want to label the whole thing as being biased or anti TC. Perhaps you should make the same trip yourself with the same attitude as I had, and the same efforts that I made to speak with people, then come back and tell me, that what I wrote of my own experience was not real or true.

I think the only people looking for an award, is you and VP, from the Partitionist & Propaganda ( P & P) Department, by trying to discredit my experience in Cyprus. I'm sorry to say, the only thing you will both come away with, will be a WOODEN SPOON, in a joint ownership. You can take turns showing it to your new P & P trainees.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapolous, I have just read the last few days posts only to find that you have really lost the plot about what zan and I are trying to convey about your general viewpoint about the Cyprus issue. Coud you answer the following;

1. Did we ever state GC people are bad?

2.Did we state you would have a bad time in south Cyprus?

3.Did you experience what every holiday maker experiences when visiting either side of Cyprus?

You are chasing your own shadow as you know deep down you are more if not totally a GC in mind and soul than you are a TC. Your views and arguements are not important as you do not argue them from a perspective of knowing both sides of the story, the opportunity was there but you opted not to take it for your own reasons which I have to respect. Tell your pretty little story by all means but dont try to suck me and zan into the equation and make sweep,ng statements that TC can live with GCs in the "RoC" by spending a 2 week break in the purely GC run south. You are so transparently false about your greedy TC cousins which is purely for the benefit of the pack, feeding your followers of how well you have turned in a GC. The bottom line is that your views are not as valuable as someone who has taken the time to go visit and meet TC in the north and GC in the south and is living the Cyprus issue on a daily basis. Yours is the account of a GC on holiday in south Cyprus after 43 years, nothing more nothing less.

[zan]

I too will thank you for taking the time to write and post long answers to my questions but every time you fail to answer a single one. Quantity instead of quality.
I will now attempt to bring the sequence of events to your attention in the hope that you and those that you are trying to confuse can see the real story of this thread as it unfolded.

From your first chapter.

I was practicing in my mind, how I would react to each possible incident with the airport officials, if they started giving me shit. Mrfromng had one time wrote, that he was not treated with respect, so I was prepared to get into a verbal match, with anyone, that were to flex their "official muscle". At long last, the plane had landed in the early hours of 2 AM. Coming down the stairs from the plain and actually stepping on Cypriot ground was an emotional experienced, that I kept to my self, from others. After 43 years of absence, I was once again home. Then the bus brought us to the terminal. As we walked to the immigration, I was greeted with a quite "hello" by the officer. My passport ( British) was checked and given back without an incident. It felt like a little anti climax really, but was glad to get through there, without any problems, because, according to Zan and VP, I had plenty of problems, that was waiting for me, as long as, I was going to be in the Roc.

This chapter in your story goes a long way to explain your inability in both being able to decipher what people are trying to tell you and how confident you are at handling awkward situations. First of all there are horror stories every day about problems that have been encountered within everyday life. Are we to take this, as you did, and walk out of our houses expecting a fight at every turn of events or, like most sensible people, do we react as the need arises. There are such people around that have that anger and weakness in them but are generally located within padded cells and are under supervision.


My first response to your accusations was:

Thanks for the stories Kikapu but as you have made reference to me very early on in this saga....I have to ask you as to when I said that your visit would be anything but pleasant.



I am also waiting for the part where you go to the RoC offices and ask for your rights of the 1960 constitution to be re-instated. Did you get such a pleasant GC asking you when you would like that to be.



If you would like me to keep out of this then perhaps you can tell your story without the political spin you have chosen to do it in.


I went to South Africa last year and despite all that I heard I was not mugged by the blacks.

In the above somewhat sarcastic post, I asked you to provide proof of your accusations of which you have done nothing of the sort. I also thought, naively, that you would have the skills needed to realise that he second part of my post meant that you are mixing up the two situations in which TCs would find themselves. The first would be as a tourist and the second as a TRNC/KKTC citizen.

The third part of my post speaks for itself although it took some time for it to register in your brain. Once the penny dropped I think you will find that I kept my promise.



Your response was:

Hello Zan,

It is all the "poison" that you and other Partitionist spew on the forum, that gives the illusion, that no TC is safe living amongst the GC, because we might get assimilated and lose our Turkish Cypriotness. I'm happy to report to you, that the GC did not sew a new "foreskin" on me and was not forced to learn Greek, and to stop speaking Turkish, so I'm the same person as I was before I left for Cyprus. It is time for all you Partitionist to accept yourself as Cypriots, if that's who you all really are. I do get the feeling however, that most of you have been converted to be Turks, and want to destroy the Turkish Cypriot identity.

More evidence that you are completely paranoid and not fully in control of the situation. This next part is full of sarcasm from me so be prepared and understand what that means before continuing.

The Dialy Mail reports that thousands upon thousands of tourists have been reported missing after visiting the illegal “Republic of Cyprus” that is situated in the south of the island. The “RoC” has issued a statement saying that the outbreak of “Bird Flu” has taken its toll and that the situation is now under control and it is safe for tourists to keep coming to the south of the island.
The Daily Mail has lost three reporters in a year on this island but has had intermittent reports back that the population of the south is rising rapidly. An Israeli ship however, has picked up a man that was seen floating on a make shift raft and seems to have been there for a while. The man was said to have been delirious and just kept repeating the words “Zan was right” over and over again. The Israeli ships Captain said “this man obviously knew about boats and how to sail. A man that did not have such skills would have perished long ago in these treacherous waters. The only clue that the authorities have as to who this person is, is the tattoo on his arse that read “Kikapodopolous”.




To be continued:

[annaka]

My mother-in-law came from a big Greek Cyriot family in Louroudjina and one of her brothers fell in love with a Turkish Cypriot girl and they eloped.
After her family called the police it was agreed they could get married. To keep the peace the boys were given Turkish names and girls Greek names. Like the fairy story, they all lived happily ever after. Only it was a true story.

[LENA]

My mother-in-law came from a big Greek Cyriot family in Louroudjina and one of her brothers fell in love with a Turkish Cypriot girl and they eloped.
After her family called the police it was agreed they could get married. To keep the peace the boys were given Turkish names and girls Greek names. Like the fairy story, they all lived happily ever after. Only it was a true story.

But why they both change names? Did they change religion as well?

[annaka]

Good question, but as it happened years ago I don't think either of them changed their religion. The village was a mixed one and most of the family moved to England during the 50s.

[LENA]

Good question, but as it happened years ago I don't think either of them changed their religion. The village was a mixed one and most of the family moved to England during the 50s.

Thats weird. They didnt change religion but they change their names!!!

[Kikapu]

Kikapolous, I have just read the last few days posts only to find that you have really lost the plot about what zan and I are trying to convey about your general viewpoint about the Cyprus issue. Coud you answer the following;

1. Did we ever state GC people are bad?

2.Did we state you would have a bad time in south Cyprus?

3.Did you experience what every holiday maker experiences when visiting either side of Cyprus?

You are chasing your own shadow as you know deep down you are more if not totally a GC in mind and soul than you are a TC. Your views and arguements are not important as you do not argue them from a perspective of knowing both sides of the story, the opportunity was there but you opted not to take it for your own reasons which I have to respect. Tell your pretty little story by all means but dont try to suck me and zan into the equation and make sweep,ng statements that TC can live with GCs in the "RoC" by spending a 2 week break in the purely GC run south. You are so transparently false about your greedy TC cousins which is purely for the benefit of the pack, feeding your followers of how well you have turned in a GC. The bottom line is that your views are not as valuable as someone who has taken the time to go visit and meet TC in the north and GC in the south and is living the Cyprus issue on a daily basis. Yours is the account of a GC on holiday in south Cyprus after 43 years, nothing more nothing less.

VP,

Sounds like DAMAGE CONTROL from the Partitionist & Propagandist Department to me. It's obvious the outcome of my trip to my Country of Cyprus has disturbed some feathers and went against the norm, as to what a TC's should think and say. Who ever wrote the above from your P & P Department, lacks the proper training, in "Reverse Psychology".

And a quick messege to VP. I know that you love your fellow Cypriots, specially the GC's.

[Kikapu]

I too will thank you for taking the time to write and post long answers to my questions but every time you fail to answer a single one. Quantity instead of quality.
I will now attempt to bring the sequence of events to your attention in the hope that you and those that you are trying to confuse can see the real story of this thread as it unfolded.

From your first chapter.

I was practicing in my mind, how I would react to each possible incident with the airport officials, if they started giving me shit. Mrfromng had one time wrote, that he was not treated with respect, so I was prepared to get into a verbal match, with anyone, that were to flex their "official muscle". At long last, the plane had landed in the early hours of 2 AM. Coming down the stairs from the plain and actually stepping on Cypriot ground was an emotional experienced, that I kept to my self, from others. After 43 years of absence, I was once again home. Then the bus brought us to the terminal. As we walked to the immigration, I was greeted with a quite "hello" by the officer. My passport ( British) was checked and given back without an incident. It felt like a little anti climax really, but was glad to get through there, without any problems, because, according to Zan and VP, I had plenty of problems, that was waiting for me, as long as, I was going to be in the Roc.

This chapter in your story goes a long way to explain your inability in both being able to decipher what people are trying to tell you and how confident you are at handling awkward situations. First of all there are horror stories every day about problems that have been encountered within everyday life. Are we to take this, as you did, and walk out of our houses expecting a fight at every turn of events or, like most sensible people, do we react as the need arises. There are such people around that have that anger and weakness in them but are generally located within padded cells and are under supervision.


My first response to your accusations was:

Thanks for the stories Kikapu but as you have made reference to me very early on in this saga....I have to ask you as to when I said that your visit would be anything but pleasant.



I am also waiting for the part where you go to the RoC offices and ask for your rights of the 1960 constitution to be re-instated. Did you get such a pleasant GC asking you when you would like that to be.



If you would like me to keep out of this then perhaps you can tell your story without the political spin you have chosen to do it in.


I went to South Africa last year and despite all that I heard I was not mugged by the blacks.

In the above somewhat sarcastic post, I asked you to provide proof of your accusations of which you have done nothing of the sort. I also thought, naively, that you would have the skills needed to realise that he second part of my post meant that you are mixing up the two situations in which TCs would find themselves. The first would be as a tourist and the second as a TRNC/KKTC citizen.

The third part of my post speaks for itself although it took some time for it to register in your brain. Once the penny dropped I think you will find that I kept my promise.



Your response was:

Hello Zan,

It is all the "poison" that you and other Partitionist spew on the forum, that gives the illusion, that no TC is safe living amongst the GC, because we might get assimilated and lose our Turkish Cypriotness. I'm happy to report to you, that the GC did not sew a new "foreskin" on me and was not forced to learn Greek, and to stop speaking Turkish, so I'm the same person as I was before I left for Cyprus. It is time for all you Partitionist to accept yourself as Cypriots, if that's who you all really are. I do get the feeling however, that most of you have been converted to be Turks, and want to destroy the Turkish Cypriot identity.

More evidence that you are completely paranoid and not fully in control of the situation. This next part is full of sarcasm from me so be prepared and understand what that means before continuing.

The Dialy Mail reports that thousands upon thousands of tourists have been reported missing after visiting the illegal “Republic of Cyprus” that is situated in the south of the island. The “RoC” has issued a statement saying that the outbreak of “Bird Flu” has taken its toll and that the situation is now under control and it is safe for tourists to keep coming to the south of the island.
The Daily Mail has lost three reporters in a year on this island but has had intermittent reports back that the population of the south is rising rapidly. An Israeli ship however, has picked up a man that was seen floating on a make shift raft and seems to have been there for a while. The man was said to have been delirious and just kept repeating the words “Zan was right” over and over again. The Israeli ships Captain said “this man obviously knew about boats and how to sail. A man that did not have such skills would have perished long ago in these treacherous waters. The only clue that the authorities have as to who this person is, is the tattoo on his arse that read “Kikapodopolous”.

Zan,

"this man obviously knew about boats and how to sail".

This person would not have ended up on a make shift raft, Zan my boy, because he still be sailing on his boat.

I just got a call from "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" production team, to let me know, to be on the lookout for someone pretending to be a Psychologist. The person was in fact one of the real mentally disturbed patient, who had volunteered to play a major part in the movie. They said, that his name was Zan.

I seem to have heard that name somewhere before.

Oh yes, yes. He use to work for the Partitionist & Propaganda Department for the "TRNC", but went crazy trying to "break" one of the Forum Members. I think his name was Kikapodopolous. The only problem was, there was no such registered person on the Cyprus Forum, which meant, that Zan was trying to "break" someone that did not exist, and it was only in the figment of his imagination, before he lost that also.

Poor Zan.