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[zan]

and kikapu...i reallly enjoyed your holiday, it made me wanna go for a holiday.

thanks mate

Did you really read the whole thing.

Listen Pitsilos, when you go, take VP with you.

I don't know which one you should take.

Take the one with a bad English grammar, and teach him how to write better in the future, when the "boss" is away.

Did YOU read YOUR story. Bad grammar Sometimes it was like a little Greek man writing.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu wrote:

Zan,

Before I wrote a word of my trip, you were there to counter it, and I had warned you with these few key words " I hope you can handle the truth, Zan". It was obvious to me, that the Partionist do not want to hear the truth or even accept the truth. We are only to accept your version of the truth, that is for your mission.

I am terribly sorry for not understanding that when you put your little get out clause it meant that when you tell lies it will absolve you from the guilt and that every one should believe it anyway. You want to have us believe that just by being a partitionist then I must be a liar whilst as an unificationist, everything you say is the truth by default. What you told was an over exaggerated story with your own conclusions, nothing more. You did not give us anything near the ultimate truth that you claim. What WE, in any denomination, can’t handle is a truckload of bullshit spewed out the mouth of a false profit. I tell my son, when he starts to tell me a small white lie, that he will have to tell more, bigger lies, to bolster the first one and pretty soon the lie will be as plain as the nose on his face. Give it up Pinocchio.

Recently you wrote about being in a Greek or Greek Cypriots home in the UK for doing some kind of work there, and that the lady was nice to you and that she was putting down some things that she did not agree with the RoC. You then went on to say, that you thought she was doing that just for your benefit, because she knew that you were a TC, and that she really did not think that way, that she disagreed with the RoC at all.

Now, why is it, that we are all expected to accept your version of events, but you do not accept others. Why don't you believe this lady, in what she said.

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about here. I have an idea as to what you might be referring to but as you do not acknowledge anything we say without your usual prejudice you have got the whole story wrong. It does explain how you get everything wrong though and how your twisted theories come to be.

Since you are a admitted Partitionist, it would lead one to believe, that your views are "one sided" and not very objective. I don't hear you complain about the "TRNC" in the slightest. Is that because, they are perfect.?

As for my views, I'm free within myself to tell it the way it is, as far as I know for it to be true. I do not play with words, so to hide my real message, like you and VP do so often. I do not need to kiss the "TRNC" ass or the RoC's. There are plenty of you, on both sides, that does that already, for all of us, therefore, I do not need to.

More proof that you not only ignore other peoples posts and therefore totally misrepresent their views but you do not even read and understand your own. You cannot label someone and say that they therefore must have biased views and not fall into that same trap yourself. I used to think that you actually knew what you were talking about but it is clear that you are totally confused.

Thanks for spending the time to answer my post Zan. Unfortunately, the only thing you were correct about me in your post was, that I do have a big nose, so I accept being "Pinocchio".

[Kikapu]

and kikapu...i reallly enjoyed your holiday, it made me wanna go for a holiday.

thanks mate

Did you really read the whole thing.

Listen Pitsilos, when you go, take VP with you.

I don't know which one you should take.

Take the one with a bad English grammar, and teach him how to write better in the future, when the "boss" is away.[/quote]

Did YOU read YOUR story. Bad grammar Sometimes it was like a little Greek man writing.

[pitsilos]

and kikapu...i reallly enjoyed your holiday, it made me wanna go for a holiday.

thanks mate

Did you really read the whole thing.

Listen Pitsilos, when you go, take VP with you.

I don't know which one you should take.

Take the one with a bad English grammar, and teach him how to write better in the future, when the "boss" is away.

yes i read the whole story, i just was commenting on the holiday part and some of your adventures, the sticky nose, etc...just like a cypriot

on the partitionist part, i expected the lynching from your first post and i again was not surpiced...

about when i go for a holiday to cyprus and taking one of the VIPS with me, i think you missed a key word here, which is holiday and not ball breaking

[humanist]

VP said

What you seem to conveniently forget is that car also partially belongs to me, which part is whos is the problem but saying I have no right over that same car is wrong, I to have a right to the front end, side or roof, this is what you have to grasp. In order to survive we preferred to live in one part of that car protected and away from people who did not take us into account and wanted to brush us to one side. Even today the same Gc perspective continues, we are hindered by GCs who do not want to grant us the right to use a part of our own country without sucumbing to their rule.

As you can appreciate the TC will not allow the GCs to play on an open field as they try to block us at every turn we will not give up the right to live just like any other human being in the world and gradually the world will see that maintaining the current isoaltion of the TCs ia inhumane and serves no purpose but to alienate them.

You have the right to come claim your property in the north today? do I have the right to my own postal address even in 2007?

I am all for looking at viable solutions but after 47 years of finding jack shit dont you think its time to put up your hands and say that the only viable solution is an agree division be this 18/82 25/75 as with the mentality of both sides anything else will be doomed to failure.

VP my grandmother, left her home in a smal village called "Xeros" not far from Lefka, not sure what the village is called now, with her 16 year old daughter at the time, and only six months after her husband died, with only the clothes she was wearing just a couple of hours before the turkish troops arrived, I will not just put my hands up and say go take it. Not for as long as I am alive will I do that. During the war she also lost her 17 year old son. To this end I will not put my hands up and say have it, It is not yours to have, you have unfairly ousted the out and they became refugees in their own country, she has just as much right of the north as you do and if you choose you have just as much right of the south as I do. The choice is yours. Unfortunately for my grandmother she died several years ago never to see a free united cyprus again, by the way she was living in a mixed village and always had positive things to say about turkish speaking cypriots and my grandfather used to work and meet his friends at the turkish baths.

As far as you not having your own address I am not going to buy into your vivtim games any more, you are making a choice as we speak. You can have your address if you choose too.

[miltiades]

VP said

What you seem to conveniently forget is that car also partially belongs to me, which part is whos is the problem but saying I have no right over that same car is wrong, I to have a right to the front end, side or roof, this is what you have to grasp. In order to survive we preferred to live in one part of that car protected and away from people who did not take us into account and wanted to brush us to one side. Even today the same Gc perspective continues, we are hindered by GCs who do not want to grant us the right to use a part of our own country without sucumbing to their rule.

As you can appreciate the TC will not allow the GCs to play on an open field as they try to block us at every turn we will not give up the right to live just like any other human being in the world and gradually the world will see that maintaining the current isolation of the TCs ia inhumane and serves no purpose but to alienate them.

You have the right to come claim your property in the north today? do I have the right to my own postal address even in 2007?

I am all for looking at viable solutions but after 47 years of finding jack shit dont you think its time to put up your hands and say that the only viable solution is an agree division be this 18/82 25/75 as with the mentality of both sides anything else will be doomed to failure.

VP my grandmother, left her home in a smal village called "Xeros" not far from Lefka, not sure what the village is called now, with her 16 year old daughter at the time, and only six months after her husband died, with only the clothes she was wearing just a couple of hours before the turkish troops arrived, I will not just put my hands up and say go take it. Not for as long as I am alive will I do that. During the war she also lost her 17 year old son. To this end I will not put my hands up and say have it, It is not yours to have, you have unfairly ousted the out and they became refugees in their own country, she has just as much right of the north as you do and if you choose you have just as much right of the south as I do. The choice is yours. Unfortunately for my grandmother she died several years ago never to see a free united cyprus again, by the way she was living in a mixed village and always had positive things to say about turkish speaking cypriots and my grandfather used to work and meet his friends at the turkish baths.

As far as you not having your own address I am not going to buy into your vivtim games any more, you are making a choice as we speak. You can have your address if you choose too.

Humanist this is a good post , more so the fact that the VPs and Zans will see that you and I , Kikapu and Bir , G/Cs and T/Cs agree with one profound issue. That Cyprus , North , South , East and West belongs to us all .Kikapu IS a T/C and so is Birkibrisli and they own all of Cyprus just as you and I do .
I will be visiting Cyprus end of May and I cant wait to pay homage to my dear friend Bir by visiting the village of his birth and kiss the ground on which he took his first steps , around 5 or 6 miles away from my own birth village , so close and yet the partitionists are proclaiming that we are foreigners to each other , and that this part of Cyprus is no different to Spain Malta or any other foreign land. What an insult by insensitive impostor Cypriots.

[Kikapu]

I have a question to Cypriots in the RoC.

I was there for two weeks, and only saw ONE sailboat out in the sea. The few Marinas that I saw, were in fact full of sail boats. The wind conditions were perfect for great sail, and yet, the horizon was empty.

Are most of the sail boats owned by foreigners.?

Are the Cypriots not interested in Sailing.?

If not, why are they keep wanting to build more Marinas.?

It was such a shame, not to have sailboats out on the water, on those beatiful light winds and sunny days.

Just curious.

[humanist]

Thank you Miltiades, the reality is Cyprus belongs to all of us.

On a larger broader personal and spiritual level and Birkibrisli will know what I mean by this, these partitionist are actually devaluing themeslves not to mention their Cypriotness by only want to say that their Cyprus consists of the north only.

I wonder at times if, we built an Island from the north coast of Cyprus to turkey will they accept that as their country and call themselves Cypriot then?

Ona more positive note ..... enjoy your holidays, hope you have just as much fun as Kikapu.

Kikapu I have a question for you, how on earth did you know that there were Turkish Speaking Cypriot "quarters"/ neighbourhoods in Paphos and Larnaca. I would be interested to know what the actual Turkish speaking population in the south might be.

cheers

[zan]

The real partitionists are grouping. They are patting each other on the back in an uneasy fashion because they have blood on their hands and the prints are clearly visible on the shoulders of their temporary friends. They are not blind but they choose to be. They close their eyes so tightly that they do not even know who their friends are. I would detest the moment I woke up and found that I was one of you.


You cannot see what this “story” of Kikapus has done to this forum. It has driven apart, further, those that you say you want to unite. Not one of you is prepared to criticise a single line in the over exaggerated personal view of a troubled mind. You see this as a victory for unity when it is clearly a party political spin for the “RoC”. You have no intention of unity but of victory. You have nailed your colours to an illegal and unjust entity and will pull any trick to achieve your aims. You give credence to a the corrupt court of politicians and do their dirty work which in some of your cases will include the murdering of innocent people to qualify your undying love for this Cypriot nation that you think exists without the need for its people. You have dared to define what this Cypriot should be as if you are in some sort of position to do so. You speak of unity but cannot see that the tools you use speak of partition. Well done all and in particular the “story” writer himself. The GCs have won one friend and have alienated an entire nation. What a victory.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu I have a question for you, how on earth did you know that there were Turkish Speaking Cypriot "quarters"/ neighbourhoods in Paphos and Larnaca. I would be interested to know what the actual Turkish speaking population in the south might be.

cheers

..and don't forget Limassol also Humanist.

I knew of all these Turkish neighbourhoods, because I brought my personal Tour Guide with me...my Girlfriend. ( she's going to kick my ass now, for sure )

She would read up in her guide book, then we would go and visit these locations, which are part of the town centers. In Paphos I was told by the TC's I spoke with, that there were about 50 TC's in total living there. I did not get a figure from the TC's I spoke with, in Larnaca.

I did not meet any TC's in Limassol.