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[Viewpoint]

Its called licking arse and feeding you what you want to hear to obtain acceptence and praise.

You must be an expert by now, regarding "arse licking". You have been trying to kiss and do kiss the worlds ARSE, so to let the de facto state called the "TRNC", to be recognized. You have already got your head so far up Turkeys arse, you don't even have a "brown nose" anymore, but a "Ring around your Neck".

Our excuse is for economic survival due to GC isolation and embargoes, whats yours?

[humanist]

VP once again it is the greek speaking cypriots fault I see. The imposed embargo. I say to you on that one self imposed by Turkish speaking Cypriots.

[Kikapu]

What part of "I never said that the GCs were all bad people" do you not understand? I have asked you to provide any posts of mine in which I said that without my tongue placed firmly in my cheek. You have provided no such post because it does not exist. You are using this lie to bolster your story. I have always said that the administration is the problem. No matter how many times I say it you ignore it because it goes against your whole story. The whole episode with your so-called family did not happen either. If parts of it did happen then the rest was a complete fabrication. You even misinterpreted your own lies and gave us some cock and bull story about greed. Is this the same greed that drives the GC estate agents to sell property in the north. It seems that YOUR partner in crime Birkibrisli has not even got the face to back up your little story and is going to claim that he was away for a while. I am sorry but you guys are so transparent it is laughable. As far as the property issue goes...What did you expect the TCs to do after the Annan plan OXI from the GCs. The so-called RoC trying to starve then out is one thing but self-inflicted persecution is best left for masochists. Sure we gave you a chance to sort this problem out and with your usual intransigence and greed you double-crossed us. Why don't we sit around and wait for another 40 years while you guys play more games. The RoC is an illegal entity that is not recognised by the TRNC/KKTC or Turkey and should not have been recognised by anyone else let alone allowed entry into the EU. The boarder disputes alone do not qualify it for entry. The OXI to the Annan plan set us free from our consciences and ties to a so-called government that wants nothing to do with us. You can keep them.

Zan,

Before I wrote a word of my trip, you were there to counter it, and I had warned you with these few key words " I hope you can handle the truth, Zan". It was obvious to me, that the Partionist do not want to hear the truth or even accept the truth. We are only to accept your version of the truth, that is for your mission.

Recently you wrote about being in a Greek or Greek Cypriots home in the UK for doing some kind of work there, and that the lady was nice to you and that she was putting down some things that she did not agree with the RoC. You then went on to say, that you thought she was doing that just for your benefit, because she knew that you were a TC, and that she really did not think that way, that she disagreed with the RoC at all.

Now, why is it, that we are all expected to accept your version of events, but you do not accept others. Why don't you believe this lady, in what she said.

Since you are a admitted Partitionist, it would lead one to believe, that your views are "one sided" and not very objective. I don't hear you complain about the "TRNC" in the slightest. Is that because, they are perfect.?

As for my views, I'm free within myself to tell it the way it is, as far as I know for it to be true. I do not play with words, so to hide my real message, like you and VP do so often. I do not need to kiss the "TRNC" ass or the RoC's. There are plenty of you, on both sides, that does that already, for all of us, therefore, I do not need to.

[Viewpoint]

You told them you are a TC that has been away for 40 years,(in other words dont blame me for what went on while i was away) Wink you also told them you dont approve the Turkish "invasion" (by the way no TC uses the word "invasion" another brownie point for you there) Wink you also told them you dont like the ugly grafitti on the mountains...and that you want all the refugees to go back to their homes and the big bad Turkish army to go home..by this time they are so fond of you they would even go and find baklava for you at midnight..

So in other words he showed some respect, and he got respect in return.

If you are asking if he would get the same kind of treatment if he was going around saying that he supports the human rights violations of people, the stealing of their land and the illegalities against them, then probably you are right, he wouldn't. You give respect, you get respect. If you give disrespect, then disrespect is what you will get in return.

Its called licking arse and feeding you what you want to hear to obtain acceptence and praise.

It is called respect. But obviously you don't know what respect means and this is why you are not able to recognize it.

Respect comes easy when you have a person ho licks your arse and says yes to everything GC say, the test is when you actually disagree and stand up for what you believe in, you obviously do not know the difference as you show no respect to people who have a different opinion from yours.

[Viewpoint]

VP once again it is the greek speaking cypriots fault I see. The imposed embargo. I say to you on that one self imposed by Turkish speaking Cypriots.

So the reason is we dont have a direct postal address is because the TC dont want one, or the fact that we wish to live in the north under our own adminisrtation, please humanist dont be so silly the GCs will do everything within their power to ensure we do not prosper and continue on our way but their policies will continue to backfire and ensure the divide continues if you are unable to see this fact then theres nothing anyone can do for you and GC will only serve the purpose of alienating TCs.

The GCs are really shooting themselves in the foot because for example does our post arrive? yes no problem, the only factor remaining is that the GC are attempting to stop post from arriving which cause more negativity than anything else, it serves the purpose that GC will do everything to make sure we do not progress and we should never unite with them as they will cause us far worst problems in a united Cyprus where we will not have the protection of Turkey. You are your own worst enemy pity you cannot seet hat fact.

[zan]

Lena wrote:

@ Zan

You said that “RoC is an illegal entity that is not recognised by the TRNC or Turkey”
This is the most ridiculous comment that I have ever read in this forum. Do you actually know what you wrote there? The RoC is the illegal state…not what you call “TRNC”? The fact that the whole world recognises the RoC apart from the country that invaded and illegally occupies the north part of the island doesn’t really tell you anything? Do you hear any bells ringing on that?

OJ Simpson got away with murder!!!!!!!!!!

What I am saying is that the world have got it wrong because the GC administration is very clever at twisting the words and history and convincing the world that it is right. We did a crappy job of putting over our side of the story. If you look at the 1960 constitution, which only applies if and when it suits the GC administration, it does not allow a government to be formed without the TCs, ergo...................This is a fact. If we are to disregard the 1960 constitution then we too have the right to decide if we want to form our own government. The GC administration wants to have it both ways. This is being contested in courts right now and will be until it is resolved.

[Kikapu]

Its called licking arse and feeding you what you want to hear to obtain acceptence and praise.

You must be an expert by now, regarding "arse licking". You have been trying to kiss and do kiss the worlds ARSE, so to let the de facto state called the "TRNC", to be recognized. You have already got your head so far up Turkeys arse, you don't even have a "brown nose" anymore, but a "Ring around your Neck".

Our excuse is for economic survival due to GC isolation and embargoes, whats yours?

Is it wrong for any Nation, to prevent it's territories to be ripped apart, by a foreign nation, who occupies part of it's territories. Please tell us, which Nation accepts this by force. As it happens, according to Piratis and Kifeas, you can have your wish and separate, with only 18% of Cyprus, based on population size. Why don't you take it, become independent, be recognised by the world, have your own borders with the RoC, be respected member of the UN, and build your own economy, and trade with the RoC as neighbours, as well as being in the EU, sometime in the distant future. So stop complaining, when you have been given a choice to end the isolation, or do you rather be in the situation you are now, because in time, you might get more than if you accepted the option, I have described above. Is it perhaps, you don't control anything in the North to begin with, is the reason, why you cannot make a choice.

[Viewpoint]

Its called licking arse and feeding you what you want to hear to obtain acceptence and praise.

You must be an expert by now, regarding "arse licking". You have been trying to kiss and do kiss the worlds ARSE, so to let the de facto state called the "TRNC", to be recognized. You have already got your head so far up Turkeys arse, you don't even have a "brown nose" anymore, but a "Ring around your Neck".

Our excuse is for economic survival due to GC isolation and embargoes, whats yours?

Is it wrong for any Nation, to prevent it's territories to be ripped apart, by a foreign nation, who occupies part of it's territories. Please tell us, which Nation accepts this by force. As it happens, according to Piratis and Kifeas, you can have your wish and separate, with only 18% of Cyprus, based on population size. Why don't you take it, become independent, be recognised by the world, have your own borders with the RoC, be respected member of the UN, and build your own economy, and trade with the RoC as neighbours, as well as being in the EU, sometime in the distant future. So stop complaining, when you have been given a choice to end the isolation, or do you rather be in the situation you are now, because in time, you might get more than if you accepted the option, I have described above. Is it perhaps, you don't control anything in the North to begin with, is the reason, why you cannot make a choice.

Which nation are your referring to? the "RoC" with its heart missing the TCs? or the Cypriots? which should have been nurtured and encouraged back in the 1960s when the opportunity was there. Too much water has passed under the bridge and the current state of affairs only serves to show that the mentality of the 1960s has not really changed on either side and that these 2 communities cannot compromise or accomadate the other without causing uneasiness and mistrust.

I personally have no problem with the 18% but have aired my views with this solution many times you have obviously not read them or you have but like so many other people you are so preconditioned that they do not registered in your brain.

I also asked for an example where the land distribution is based on the population ratios so that I may look into that example and see the way it is done. No one could provide anything but excuses.

The alternative would be 2 state solution where everyone one would have to option to live in either a TC or GC administered area, this is what the GCs want us to accept why is it so difficult when you put the same option in front of them? why are they so against when they feel it should be good enough for us?

[humanist]

VP I am not being silly at all. Of-course the greek speaking cypriots will do everything in their control to prevent the trnc from progress. You have taken their land wthout permission and to this end they will try to do everything possible as so justice is fair for all involved.

I support that action in its entirity.

Every action has a consequence, if I steal your car I go to gaol, if I steal your video I go to gaol. The price trnc has to pay is the international embargo VP. Therefore, we need to look at a viable solution for all involved.

[Kikapu]

I personally have no problem with the 18% but have aired my views with this solution many times you have obviously not read them or you have but like so many other people you are so preconditioned that they do not registered in your brain.

I also asked for an example where the land distribution is based on the population ratios so that I may look into that example and see the way it is done. No one could provide anything but excuses.

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You do not need to make things too complicated VP. Just take the 18%, which is a lot of land by the way. When I travelled in the RoC, which has 3 times as many people as in the North, and land size is less than twice as much, than it is in the North, I was surprised as the the amount of land, that was sitting empty. The whole place seems to be under populated, with the mountains and all, so the same has to be said to the North. At the moment, I would guess, you have way too much empty land.

Why do you need another example to show why the land needs to be divided on 82%-18% ratios, and not keep it the way it is now. You are asking the RoC to be "fair"with the TC's and stop the embargoes and isolation, so why can't you be "fair", and accept the 18%. If I was as determined as you are, to have my own State, I would do it. I know a lot of people, like Dektash and his land grabbing friends will more than have to return what does not belong to them, but you get to have your own Nation, and in peace too, with the GC's blessing, I'm sure. I think that would be a win win situation. You probably don't even need to have a real border, just a imaginary one, if both sides cooperate to have strict control of immigration to the outside world, because we are a small island.