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[humanist]

Devil thank you for a clear and coincise way on the political system in Switzerland.

Alexios thank you for a well stated point of view.

[Viewpoint]

What was the end result? A one sided and biased viewpoint.

Wow! Which pot is calling the kettle black? If anyone is biased here, it is yourself.

And while I'm about it, you cannot flaunt a law. To flaunt means to show off with ostentation. Like you flaunt your ignorance or a peacock flaunts his fan. I suspect you may mean to flout, such as the way that many Cypriots flout speed limits (amongst 9,999 other laws!!!).

You, and your like, spoil so many threads on this forum with ignorance, bias, xenophobia, racism, lies and so on, that it makes reasonable discussion impossible.

I should like to ask you one simple question: why don't you get lost?

Apologies for using the incorrect word, why dont you tell god and I am sure he will punish me, 10 brownie points to you on your high horse.

FYI the difference between me and Kikapolous is that I have been to the south many times, lived on the island for many years, have GC friends and have dealt with the "RoC" on an official level, so I believe my viewpoint is far more balanced than his as his is from someone who wants to impose coniditons that will not effect him directly, has lived away for 43 years and paid a 2 week holiday to only the the GC south, hardly a good combination for making unbiased arguements.

And the answer to your stupid question is that I will not get lost I am here to stay and will counter with my own viewpoint on anything I do not feel is correct or is being put forward to the determent of my community.

[Jerry]

What was the end result? A one sided and biased viewpoint.

Wow! Which pot is calling the kettle black? If anyone is biased here, it is yourself.

And while I'm about it, you cannot flaunt a law. To flaunt means to show off with ostentation. Like you flaunt your ignorance or a peacock flaunts his fan. I suspect you may mean to flout, such as the way that many Cypriots flout speed limits (amongst 9,999 other laws!!!).

You, and your like, spoil so many threads on this forum with ignorance, bias, xenophobia, racism, lies and so on, that it makes reasonable discussion impossible.

I should like to ask you one simple question: why don't you get lost?

Apologies for using the incorrect word, why dont you tell god and I am sure he will punish me, 10 brownie points to you on your high horse.

FYI the difference between me and Kikapolous is that I have been to the south many times, lived on the island for many years, have GC friends and have dealt with the "RoC" on an official level, so I believe my viewpoint is far more balanced than his as his is from someone who wants to impose coniditons that will not effect him directly, has lived away for 43 years and paid a 2 week holiday to only the the GC south, hardly a good combination for making unbiased arguements.

And the answer to your stupid question is that I will not get lost I am here to stay and will counter with my own viewpoint on anything I do not feel is correct or is being put forward to the determent of my community.

VP if you have visited the ROC many times then things can't be that bad for you can they? I would suggest that a TC who lives in the north ( and by implication endorses its illegalities) would be treated differently than one who is a visitor to the island.
I was treated with kidness by the TCs when I visited the north, I was about two hours late getting back to our hotel in Larnaca and my father, who did not go, was going mental. He called the UN in Nicosia thinking something terrible had happened to me, he honestly thought I was in trouble because that is what he expected to happen.
You will have to accept Kikapu's story as a true version of events, frankly your comments sound like sour grapes to me because he enjoyed himself. With regard to "the official level" in your post I have sometimes found GC officials to be miserable and unhelpful buggers, probably because I'm a "charlie" or not related to them. The debate about military service is a case in point, I never legally needed an exit permit but I was advised to get one in case some arsehole passport officer did not like my face and made me miss my flight.

[mem101]

Kikapu,
My dad is in his late 50s, he was born in Cyprus, a TC and lived there until the late 1960s. In the past few years, he and my mother have visited the TRNC several times for weeks at a time and he has never had any trouble whatsoever with military service, getting in and out of the country or anything at all for that matter.

All I'm saying is, next time you go to Cyprus you should more seriously consider crossing the Green Line or just flying to Ercan via Turkey.

[Get Real!]

It’s not a prerequisite that VP agrees with our views and we should also keep in mind that VP’s posts are always courteous and well written and I respect and appreciate that.

It’s the likes of Kifeas with his half witted double standards mixed with the most disgusting of foul language that people should be complaining about.

[devil]

The fact that you put "RoC" within inverted commas is an indication of your paranoid perversion. Yes, some have put TRNC within inverted commas because it calls itself a republic but isn't one. The definition of the term is " Any State in which supreme power is held by the people or their elected representatives as opp. to by a monarch etc.; a commonwealth." A State (which the TRNC isn't), which is occupied by a foreign power. cannot have the supreme power held by the people because the people would not tolerate the occupation. The "TRNC" is, in fact, a non-state and a non-republic.

OTOH, the RoC or ROC is a republic, officially recognised by every country in the world (except Turkey) and therefore suggesting it isn't by your inverted commas is another of your lying implications.

I belong to neither side and am neutral. I live in the ROC and have visited the "TRNC" a number of times. I have nothing whatsoever against the people I have met in the north, I have found them every bit as pleasant as those in the Republic, perhaps even more so. Happily, I don't believe we have met as I don't like stupid people from either side (yes, I have met some stupid people in the ROC). What I have said here is based on my perception of International Law. I am pleased that Kikapu had a pleasant stay and I don't consider that his apprehension of visiting the north is totally unjustified. If he had done so, I'm sure that his stay would have been just as good as in the Republic.

[zan]

Hi everybody,
I have kept out of all this until i felt obliged to by Zan's post above.First of all i confirm Zan's stance on the ATCA forum.Don't go searching though, he used a different name.I was demonized in that forum and felt very much the way Zan feels now. But i didn't give up hope.
Kikapu's description of his holidays in Cyprus was a refreshingly different effort to relay to the rest of us his experiences as a T/C who lived for 40 odd years away from his homeland, having decided to spend some days in the South.Overall, to be honest, i don't see why we all concentrated on analysing how good the ordinary G/C people reacted and or behaved towards him! Do we have any doubts?? Do we G/Cs have any doubts as to the good character and hospitality of the majority of T/C ordinary people?? Why were some G/C members of the forum so overjoyed at reading how well the man was received?? Why do we need this re-assurance??!! I am not denying that some people on both sides spoil the general picture but the fact remains that Cypriots are in their huge majority kind hearted, generous people.I ask every single one of you. Do you think that even the "hardest liners" in political views amongst us, would not welcome the hardest liner from the other side on a personal basis?? I have met several partitionist T/Cs.With the exception of one single case, nobody else made me feel unwelcomed, or was hostile towards me.Of course i felt uncomfortable at times but that is only natural.I feel more uncomfortable with G/Cs when discussing politics, ESPECIALLY with dear friends and relatives!!! The point is to keep a cool head, not to get emotional, hard as it is, and try to see the other person's point of view.
There is no doubt, a lot of people, both G/Cs and T/Cs put personal gain, or what they consider as personal gain, above the common good.Not all can forsee the long term disastrous effects of partition.Not all can understand the negative impact of the introvert phase both at political and communal level we have entered into. Let us talk and disagree.This is the essence of forums such as this one. Let us not however undermine that very thing we are proud of as Cypriots.That deep down we are a decent lot, much as we can be infuriating and infuriated at times with our own shortfalls, which i believe are all too evident on this specific threat.

Alexios
I am sorry to have dragged you into this and was really only hoping that Birkibrisli would contact you on the other forum to ask the question. I am more than grateful to you for taking the time to help out.

If there is one thing I have learned about what should or should not happen in Cyprus is that people like you and Bannaniot should be posting and not the rest of us. I find it a great tragedy that stupidity is silencing the voice of intelligence, reason and ability. I read recently that the state of persons' bank account does not quite reflect their intelligence. It seems that the more intelligent people have not got the time or the lack of integrity to become rich. The same people are taking a step back from voicing their opinions with the tenacity it takes to explain over and over again to the less fortunate of mind. They see more, they hear more and most of all, and this is why I believe they post less, they feel more. It is people like you that need to group and mobilise in numbers to give back some sanity to this world.

Thanks again for your response.

[Kikapu]

My immediate family have bought no GC land, for example the land I built my home on is TC title deeds. But Im sure my extended family have, as the generations grow and the developers build on GC land then nearly all TC families will have a link with GC land this will continue to increase as we do not find a solution, this is only natural.

VP,

Excuse me for pushing this issue, but with you, I feel that I need to, because your answers are not always precise, as they should be in this case. It seems that, all the GC land that were given to the TC's or to the settlers, whether it was in an "exchange" for TC land in the South, or any GC land that was directly bought, all had a TC title deeds. In other words, any TC title deeds today, may in fact be a GC land. Unless one has a pre 74 TC titles, yours may well be a GC land. You should know, if the price you paid for the land was much lower than, average (real) TC land.

I understand the expansion point you are making by the way. No doubt, some GC land will be used for housing people. The fact that there are thousands of settlers there, when they should not have been, it is a self inflicted wound, but be that may, if any one has built on GC land, will have to pay the original owners, if and when a solution is found.

When I ask the question of buying GC land, I'm really referring to buying large amounts, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200+ Donums or so, so that there is a huge rewards to be made, by forcing a partition. Those build on a Donum or less, was not what I was really asking.

[Kikapu]

What the VP's and Zan's are upset about, is not the fact it is one sided story ( actually an experience in the South), which is not a story with anything political, it puts them to shame, on how they can't lie about what will happen to the TC's, if they lived with the GC's.

If you think that by spending two weeks on holiday down south & knocking of TC's at every oportunity you have proven to anyone,nothing will happen to TC's if we lived under GC administration you are fooling yourself...I would have thought you had more intelligence!!!
Your experience is no different than a "summer love" or "holiday fling" where reality hits the day holiday ends..

Who is knocking any TC down. You had the Partitionist argue my experience in the South as being one sided. If I travelled to the North, it still would have been one sided. How can any experience in anything be otherwise. I was not writing a book on the Cyprus issues, for needing information from both sides, as not to be one sided.. That's the only thing I wrote about, my experience as a traveller or did you and others read something else, that I wrote, regarding putting the TC's down. Each page is numbered, so please, give me a page, where I said anything against the TC's. The Partitionist don't even believe what I wrote, to be true. So I guess they believe, it is not possible for a TC, to be well treated in the South. I would encourage you to go also, and tell us, how it was for you, because I'm only speaking for myself, that's all.

One can have a bad time anywhere that they travel to, which has nothing to do with politics, but are you not pleased, that, after me being gone for such a long time, I felt at home, by being in Cyprus. Unlike the Partitionist, I consider all of Cyprus to be my home, and not just the North. All that had happened was, I did not get to see all of my country, because the North wants to have different rules for me, then the rest of my country. When those problems are solved by the "TRNC", I would be there in a flash.

[DT.]

He did not visit the occupied part of Cyprus because the British and the American foreign offices advised him that as a British national as well as an American national he could not rely on their respective embassies , which do not exist in the occupied part , to offer him sanctuary should the need arose. As far as your vitriolic comments "and never think about TCs as being his own people."" Let me refresh your memory that his OWN people are the Cypriot people just as they are my people , T/C and G/Cs alike. You consider your self , as you have on many occasions stated , a Turk , that sees Cyprus as another foreign country . Well mate you are wrong. Kikapu has got more Cypriotness in his little finger than you have in your entire body.

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My good friend Miltiades is absolutely correct, in what he says. If the Partitionist and the Propagandist had an once of integrity, they would not have challenged him, but since they have, I will have to respond.

Since most of you have British Passports, look at page 3, article 6 on Dual Nationalities. " British National who are also Nationals of another country cannot be protected by Her Majesty's Representatives against the authorities of that country. If, under the laws of that country, they are liable for any obligation ( such as Military Service), the fact that they are British nationals, does not exempt them from it".

For American Citizens, it's even worse.
Pages 4 & 5,

Article 8. Loss of U:S Citizenship: "Under certain circumstances, you may lose your US citizenship by (3) serving in the armed forces of a foreign state".

Dual Citizens.
Article 9. Very much same as the British Passport, with warning about being "conscription for military service for it's citizens, while in that countries jurisdiction".

We all know that the "TRNC" is not a country, but I did not want to deal with it.

You are still ignoring the fact that you may visit the TRNC for upto 90days a year without having to do miltary service. In time due to your age you will no longer have to do any miltary service and allowing for the fact you will never come to live in the TRNC whats your problem? You may visit without any problems but you know what its better that you never see the north as you will find and promote all its faults to gain points from your GC bum chums.

Why is then that my nephew ( turkish cypriot) was held in northern cyprus and refused permission to fly home to the UK because they said he had to do his national service? He missed his plane and had to provide faxed information to inform them he was still at school in the UK (he had just had his 18th birthday while over in Cyprus? It took over a week to sort that out and his passport was withheld so that he could not leave? This was last year by the way

Obviously he tried to flaunt the laws of the TRNC and was inconvenienced for a few days but did he have to do miltary service once he produced the required documents? NO.

The lad has lived in the UK since he was 4 years old. He has dual nationality. He did not deliberately flaunt any laws of the TRNC. He happened to reach his 18th birthday whilst in the north. YOU said he was allowed 90 days. Obviously that is not the case!!

INCONVENIENCED!!!! He had to pay for further accommodation and another flight home. HE IS EIGHTEEN!!

One in thousands, was it resolved amicably? you have to abide by the laws of that country ignorance is not an excuse.

what laws, what country?