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[Kikapu]

Obviously he tried to flaunt the laws of the TRNC and was inconvenienced for a few days but did he have to do miltary service once he produced the required documents? NO.

This is not the kind of system I would trust to put my welfare, in the hands of a de facto government. You obviously not a believer of proper "Rule of Law", where the rules do not change, depending the time of the day, or who is on duty, or how much they can be bribed with.

I chose not to take a chance.

Only a week of inconvenience you say.

How long is it usually VP, 4 weeks or longer.??[/quote]

[Viewpoint]

So how much land have you or your family have stolen VP. Lets see how brave you all are. Your Partitionist truth is out. You're not even a Cypriot, so stop lecturing other, what they are. If you have stolen GC land, HARAM olsun.

Why are you not answering this very simple question VP. You are a proud Partitionist, so show us how brave you are, by telling us, how much stolen GC land you and your family have bought, if any.

If none, then just say so.

My immediate family have bought no GC land, for example the land I built my home on is TC title deeds. But Im sure my extended family have, as the generations grow and the developers build on GC land then nearly all TC families will have a link with GC land this will continue to increase as we do not find a solution, this is only natural.

[Viewpoint]

Obviously he tried to flaunt the laws of the TRNC and was inconvenienced for a few days but did he have to do miltary service once he produced the required documents? NO.

This is a totally irrelevant red herring. K perceived he may have been in danger. He therefore simply - and wisely - avoided the risk. It doesn't matter 2 hoots whether his perception was well- or ill-founded.

What was the end result? A one sided and biased viewpoint.

[Viewpoint]

Obviously he tried to flaunt the laws of the TRNC and was inconvenienced for a few days but did he have to do miltary service once he produced the required documents? NO.

This is not the kind of system I would trust to put my welfare, in the hands of a de facto government. You obviously not a believer of proper "Rule of Law", where the rules do not change, depending the time of the day, or who is on duty, or how much they can be bribed with.

I chose not to take a chance.

Only a week of inconvenience you say.

How long is it usually VP, 4 weeks or longer.??

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As I have said before thousands of people have no problems and he laws function very well. Then according to you, you should not visit countries where laws are bent and bribery may occur that would make your world very small and your viewpoint even smaller, which is obvious from your little trip to the GC south.

[sweetie pie]

He did not visit the occupied part of Cyprus because the British and the American foreign offices advised him that as a British national as well as an American national he could not rely on their respective embassies , which do not exist in the occupied part , to offer him sanctuary should the need arose. As far as your vitriolic comments "and never think about TCs as being his own people."" Let me refresh your memory that his OWN people are the Cypriot people just as they are my people , T/C and G/Cs alike. You consider your self , as you have on many occasions stated , a Turk , that sees Cyprus as another foreign country . Well mate you are wrong. Kikapu has got more Cypriotness in his little finger than you have in your entire body.

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My good friend Miltiades is absolutely correct, in what he says. If the Partitionist and the Propagandist had an once of integrity, they would not have challenged him, but since they have, I will have to respond.

Since most of you have British Passports, look at page 3, article 6 on Dual Nationalities. " British National who are also Nationals of another country cannot be protected by Her Majesty's Representatives against the authorities of that country. If, under the laws of that country, they are liable for any obligation ( such as Military Service), the fact that they are British nationals, does not exempt them from it".

For American Citizens, it's even worse.
Pages 4 & 5,

Article 8. Loss of U:S Citizenship: "Under certain circumstances, you may lose your US citizenship by (3) serving in the armed forces of a foreign state".

Dual Citizens.
Article 9. Very much same as the British Passport, with warning about being "conscription for military service for it's citizens, while in that countries jurisdiction".

We all know that the "TRNC" is not a country, but I did not want to deal with it.

You are still ignoring the fact that you may visit the TRNC for upto 90days a year without having to do miltary service. In time due to your age you will no longer have to do any miltary service and allowing for the fact you will never come to live in the TRNC whats your problem? You may visit without any problems but you know what its better that you never see the north as you will find and promote all its faults to gain points from your GC bum chums.

Why is then that my nephew ( turkish cypriot) was held in northern cyprus and refused permission to fly home to the UK because they said he had to do his national service? He missed his plane and had to provide faxed information to inform them he was still at school in the UK (he had just had his 18th birthday while over in Cyprus? It took over a week to sort that out and his passport was withheld so that he could not leave? This was last year by the way

Obviously he tried to flaunt the laws of the TRNC and was inconvenienced for a few days but did he have to do miltary service once he produced the required documents? NO.

The lad has lived in the UK since he was 4 years old. He has dual nationality. He did not deliberately flaunt any laws of the TRNC. He happened to reach his 18th birthday whilst in the north. YOU said he was allowed 90 days. Obviously that is not the case!!

INCONVENIENCED!!!! He had to pay for further accommodation and another flight home. HE IS EIGHTEEN!!

[iceman]

What the VP's and Zan's are upset about, is not the fact it is one sided story ( actually an experience in the South), which is not a story with anything political, it puts them to shame, on how they can't lie about what will happen to the TC's, if they lived with the GC's.

If you think that by spending two weeks on holiday down south & knocking of TC's at every oportunity you have proven to anyone,nothing will happen to TC's if we lived under GC administration you are fooling yourself...I would have thought you had more intelligence!!!
Your experience is no different than a "summer love" or "holiday fling" where reality hits the day holiday ends..

[sweetie pie]

Being interested in the Cyprus problem and living in the ROC I have asked umpteen Cypriots who speak Greek what they feel about Cypriots who speak Turkish. I have never met one who has said anything derogatory about their fellow Cypriots. Several have called them brothers. Most say they always have and always will get on well with them. Some have them as best friends even today. What they say they do have a problem with is the Turks. What inflamed them recently was when the Turkish military said that the Cypriot representative in the North should prove his' turkishness' Which of course they took to mean that it should come before their Cypriotness!

I am independent, I have no axe to grind, they tell it to me as they feel it.

[Viewpoint]

He did not visit the occupied part of Cyprus because the British and the American foreign offices advised him that as a British national as well as an American national he could not rely on their respective embassies , which do not exist in the occupied part , to offer him sanctuary should the need arose. As far as your vitriolic comments "and never think about TCs as being his own people."" Let me refresh your memory that his OWN people are the Cypriot people just as they are my people , T/C and G/Cs alike. You consider your self , as you have on many occasions stated , a Turk , that sees Cyprus as another foreign country . Well mate you are wrong. Kikapu has got more Cypriotness in his little finger than you have in your entire body.

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My good friend Miltiades is absolutely correct, in what he says. If the Partitionist and the Propagandist had an once of integrity, they would not have challenged him, but since they have, I will have to respond.

Since most of you have British Passports, look at page 3, article 6 on Dual Nationalities. " British National who are also Nationals of another country cannot be protected by Her Majesty's Representatives against the authorities of that country. If, under the laws of that country, they are liable for any obligation ( such as Military Service), the fact that they are British nationals, does not exempt them from it".

For American Citizens, it's even worse.
Pages 4 & 5,

Article 8. Loss of U:S Citizenship: "Under certain circumstances, you may lose your US citizenship by (3) serving in the armed forces of a foreign state".

Dual Citizens.
Article 9. Very much same as the British Passport, with warning about being "conscription for military service for it's citizens, while in that countries jurisdiction".

We all know that the "TRNC" is not a country, but I did not want to deal with it.

You are still ignoring the fact that you may visit the TRNC for upto 90days a year without having to do miltary service. In time due to your age you will no longer have to do any miltary service and allowing for the fact you will never come to live in the TRNC whats your problem? You may visit without any problems but you know what its better that you never see the north as you will find and promote all its faults to gain points from your GC bum chums.

Why is then that my nephew ( turkish cypriot) was held in northern cyprus and refused permission to fly home to the UK because they said he had to do his national service? He missed his plane and had to provide faxed information to inform them he was still at school in the UK (he had just had his 18th birthday while over in Cyprus? It took over a week to sort that out and his passport was withheld so that he could not leave? This was last year by the way

Obviously he tried to flaunt the laws of the TRNC and was inconvenienced for a few days but did he have to do miltary service once he produced the required documents? NO.

The lad has lived in the UK since he was 4 years old. He has dual nationality. He did not deliberately flaunt any laws of the TRNC. He happened to reach his 18th birthday whilst in the north. YOU said he was allowed 90 days. Obviously that is not the case!!

INCONVENIENCED!!!! He had to pay for further accommodation and another flight home. HE IS EIGHTEEN!!

One in thousands, was it resolved amicably? you have to abide by the laws of that country ignorance is not an excuse.

[Viewpoint]

What the VP's and Zan's are upset about, is not the fact it is one sided story ( actually an experience in the South), which is not a story with anything political, it puts them to shame, on how they can't lie about what will happen to the TC's, if they lived with the GC's.

If you think that by spending two weeks on holiday down south & knocking of TC's at every oportunity you have proven to anyone,nothing will happen to TC's if we lived under GC administration you are fooling yourself...I would have thought you had more intelligence!!!
Your experience is no different than a "summer love" or "holiday fling" where reality hits the day holiday ends..

At last someone with sense, well done.

[devil]

What was the end result? A one sided and biased viewpoint.

Wow! Which pot is calling the kettle black? If anyone is biased here, it is yourself.

And while I'm about it, you cannot flaunt a law. To flaunt means to show off with ostentation. Like you flaunt your ignorance or a peacock flaunts his fan. I suspect you may mean to flout, such as the way that many Cypriots flout speed limits (amongst 9,999 other laws!!!).

You, and your like, spoil so many threads on this forum with ignorance, bias, xenophobia, racism, lies and so on, that it makes reasonable discussion impossible.

I should like to ask you one simple question: why don't you get lost?