Piratis lets deal with your ridiculous and comical post,
Viewpoint, thanks for letting me know right from the beginning that you have no arguments.
So Viewpint, what would exactly change if Kikapu was visiting the occupied areas?
A more balance and less GC biased and orientated viewpoint.
He is a TC and during his life he had a lot of contact with TCs already, so I don't think he doesn't know the TC viewpoint. So why don't you tell me in what way his viewpoint would change? If he formed an opinion about GCs then how exactly this opinion would change by visiting the occupied areas??
No one is saying all GCs are evil, if that what you have understood by taking par tin this forum then you havent learnt much.
Really? So why do you want to impose an apartheid kind of separation of TCs and GCs (on the expense of the human rights of 100s of thousands of people) and not to follow the example of the so many other democratic multi-ethnic countries that exist? Come on Viewpoint, maybe you don't say "GCs are evil" but thats the main message within all your lame excuses that you give to support the partition of Cyprus.
So you believe that visiting the north where people of TC origin reside due to past errors and unresolved issues listening and interacting to their side of the story is supporting illegality? So anyone who even talks to a TC is doing exactly that, you are very comical.
What is comical is that you have no arguments to refute the truths that I said, and you are therefore making up things that I never said in order to attach those. Actually what you do has a name, it is called the
Straw Man Fallacy. I am sure Kikapu still has some concerns about the way unification will happen, but unlike you he is not trying to exaggerate those concerns by a factor of 100, since what he wants is a true solution to our problem, and not to gain something on the loss of his compatriots.
He has no concerns what so ever he has submitted to GC domination and rule, funnily enough from thousands of miles away and thinks that we should do also. Well forgive me for being more concerned as any changes will effect me directly and therefore could turn my world upside down which Im sure Kikapolous would be also concerned about from his home somewhere else on the globe.
Yes, you are right on this. Kikapu has not taken any GC land, so a return to legality will certainly not affect him negatively in the way it will affect you.
The truth Viewpoint is that even a person that has suffered himself from the intercommunal conflict can realize that today that past is used merely as an excuse for land gains.
Because lets face it Viewpoint, the one and only thing you care about is how to achieve partition with TCs gaining as much land on GCs loss as possible. Do you think there is any member or reader of this forum that can not realize this? I have proved this fact in this thread
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10794 where I show that even if an 18%-82% partition was offered to you (so you wouldn't have to live with the "evil" GCs, or having GCs to "dominate" you etc) you still wouldn't accept since you believe the tanks of Turkey can gain for you more than that.
You have asked me this in the past and if you recall I said I would accept the 18% recognized TRNC not in the EU but my concerns were how woudl you ensure that GC woudl give up their rights in this TC state? my arguement was why not allow GCs to return if they wish and then establish the % then creating a TC state in the EU.
Viewpoint, there is a poll
here and no TC replied "yes" to it. Or maybe you were one of those that voted "No. I only accept Cyprus to be a single state"
So why are you mad at Kikapu? Because he is not a thief like you? Because he doesn't want to gain on the loss of others?
Whos mad? all Im saying is to have a balanced view just visitng either the south or the north will not allow you to put forward informative and believable arguements. His tale is one of a holiday maker in a foreign land where he wants to believe he is one of the locals.
Viewpoint, I will ask you
again what would kikapu learn by visiting the occupied areas to make him change his mind? By visiting the southern part of Cyprus he learned that Greek Cypriots are not the monsters some people wanted him to believe they are, and that TCs and GCs can live together again without racist divisions.
Now tell me what new he would learn if he visited the occupied areas?
Can you give an answer to this? Or you just found this point, that Kikapu didn't visit the north, as a good way to attack him? (since you have nothing else to say)
And what would change if he visited the occupied areas?
A balanced view derived from mixing and listening to both communites in their current habitat, but of course this woudl not serve your goal that you have dominated the world stage without allowing TCs to put accross their opinions and Kikapolous hasplayed right into yuor hands.
A more balanced and first hand view derived from mixing with both communities, I know you believe the world should only listen to your side and the past 40 years have spoilt you rotten for
Again the same question as above: How would the "balance" in Kikapus view change? You replied to my post and with the same kind of arguments over and over, but you didn't answer this simple question. I hope now you will.
Or maybe you would convert him to a partitionist by showing to him how nice it is that you can keep under occupation land that does not belong to you, maybe by offering him some GC land for free or at ridiculously low price to buy his conscience?
I wont even bother answering this has the above comments are so low that it reflects your own venom more than anything else
I think the account from Kikapu's relative who was speaking "off the record" (or so he thought) prove that what I say is the truth for many (most?) TCs in the occupied areas:
Turkey and Talat tell the world what they want to hear, but have no intentions for re-uniting. He said, we only voted for the Annan Plan not for Peace. We got much more land in the North than in the South, so we don't want to re-unite.
You know, I know and everybody knows that the number 1 issue is land, with you (the partitionists) wanting to gain as much land as possible on the loss of GCs. Just like Talat you wouldn't admit this in a public forum, so I don't expect you to do so. At the same time don't expect that anybody else is buying your lame excuses.
Cypriots are just like all other human beings. We could perfectly live in a democratic multi-ethnic country like the so many other. At the same time, greed is part of human nature as well. This is the key that Turkey uses to maintain the TC support for the occupation. Everything else is minor compared to the land gains, and it is exaggerated by the Turkish propaganda by a factor of 100, to be used first as an excuse to the outside word, and second as an excuse to the conscience of those TCs that benefit from partition on the loss of GCs.
