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[Kikapu]

Clutching to his foreskin more like. He must have seen it in a film and thinks it’s an Americanism. More a case of Judaism. A Jewish put down. The schmuck is what they call the bit of skin after a circumcision.

Hollywood is mostly Jewish...........It is American as Apple Pie and Hot Dogs.

[Pyrpolizer]

And there was me thinking it's been a long time since we haven't heard of Kikapu. Poor man he must have got stranded in the occupied, doing military service, instead of holidays I thought...

Sorry Kikapu I was away from the forum the last few weeks. I am absolutely delighted reading your 2 topics in this subforum tonight.

Nice to have your cool breeze back my friend.

WELCOME

[LENA]

And there was me thinking it's been a long time since we haven't heard of Kikapu. Poor man he must have got stranded in the occupied, doing military service, instead of holidays I thought...

Sorry Kikapu I was away from the forum the last few weeks. I am absolutely delighted reading your 2 topics in this subforum tonight.

Nice to have your cool breeze back my friend.

WELCOME

Where was you Pyro mou?

[Viewpoint]

From the link provided in order to back up the claim that Britain has an Embassy in :

The “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus”

Although Britain does not recognise the “TRNC”, the Government acknowledges the interests and aspirations of the Turkish Cypriots. Our High Commission in Nicosia maintains working level contacts with Turkish Cypriot representatives.

At last, you forgot to add they have offices and personnel working in the TRNC.

There is NO BRITISH embassy in the occupied by Turkey part of of Cyprus NEITHER ARE THERE ANY OTHER EMBASSIES .
This part of Cyprus is not recognised by any nation on earth as anything but a sovereign part of Cyprus under Turkish occupation , Not my words but those of the International community's .

Having problems swallowing the fact that there is at minimum British, USA and EU representation in the TRNC, they are here all you have to do is open your eyes but that would be asking to much.

[Viewpoint]

I went direct to the ASAL branch and asked first hand, they said 90 days no problem, can visit the TRNC without having to do military service. I have a large portion of my family living in the UK they all visit without any problems, why are you so special? Show you are bullshitting and you never really intended to visit the TRNC because you are a GC.

With regards to being annoyed about you telling you story no what zan and I are trying to say is you have only seen and listened to side of the story which makes your accounts very one sided. Plus we have never stated that you would have a bad either side of the divide why cant you get that into your skull

Yes I'm special. Did you tell them, that I was 52 years old, or did you forget that very important piece of information. Regardless, we have asked, directly to ASAL by my brother in law from Turkey, and was told, once after 49, there was no escaping of either paying or 3 months military. Same was told to another brother in law, who also called his family to look into this question for me. I was prepared to pay half and do 1 month at another visit, after obtaining an exit visa for the recent trip, until my brother called me to say, he had gone to the "TRNC" office in London, and was told, that I could be forced to stay and do military service right there and then, depending who was on duty, for that day. There was also a bill in the "parliament" to stop such requirements for those living abroad, but had not passed yet. Perhaps you can use your energy to get that bill passed, so that thousands of foreign born Cypriots can come and visit any part of Cyprus, without the fear of having to serve in the military, at some point in their lives, or become "deserters", if they do not come back, after promising to do so.

Answer this then I have an uncle whos 62 residing in the UK, he comes to the TRNC every year and does not have any problem he obtains his exit visa and has never been asked to pay or do miltary service. You are not unique and are using this as an excuse to not set foot in the TRNC, just goes to prove you are a wolf in sheeps clothing. So you are doomed to only one side of the story and a warped impresson of the Cyprus issue.

[Piratis]

So Viewpint, what would exactly change if Kikapu was visiting the occupied areas?

What is important about Kikapu's visit is that he experienced from first hand that GCs are not evil as you are trying to present them, but just normal Cypriots like he is. So Kikapu, being an honest person, naturally decided that there is no reason for him to support illegalities, when by returning to legality all of his compatriots (both TCs and GCs) can enjoy all of their rights and the whole of their homeland with no problem.

I am sure Kikapu still has some concerns about the way unification will happen, but unlike you he is not trying to exaggerate those concerns by a factor of 100, since what he wants is a true solution to our problem, and not to gain something on the loss of his compatriots.

Because lets face it Viewpoint, the one and only thing you care about is how to achieve partition with TCs gaining as much land on GCs loss as possible. Do you think there is any member or reader of this forum that can not realize this? I have proved this fact in this thread http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10794 where I show that even if an 18%-82% partition was offered to you (so you wouldn't have to live with the "evil" GCs, or having GCs to "dominate" you etc) you still wouldn't accept since you believe the tanks of Turkey can gain for you more than that.

So why are you mad at Kikapu? Because he is not a thief like you? Because he doesn't want to gain on the loss of others?

And what would change if he visited the occupied areas?

Would he find out that TCs are not evil? Nobody ever claimed that, so he didn't need to go there to find out.
Would he find out that he can live among TCs with no problem? I am sure he never had a doubt about this either.
Would he see that TCs would welcome him and be friendly with him as well? Again, there was no question about this either.

So what would change? You would take him and give him a good brainwashing to change the opinion he formed about GCs and make him to support partition?
How would you do that? By giving him the 63-74 story? That wouldn't work on him though, as he personally lived as a victim during that era (unlike the extremists like you, who have probably been part of the aggressors).
Or maybe you would convert him to a partitionist by showing to him how nice it is that you can keep under occupation land that does not belong to you, maybe by offering him some GC land for free or at ridiculously low price to buy his conscience?

[miltiades]

May I also say that I would have not the slightest safety or otherwise concern in visiting the occupied areas. I have no doubt what so ever that the T/Cs , that I know so well , would be anything but decent hospitable civilized people. I haven't visited on principle but in order to meet a friend I would put my principles on the back burner temporarily.

[iceman]

Yes I'm special. Did you tell them, that I was 52 years old, or did you forget that very important piece of information. Regardless, we have asked, directly to ASAL by my brother in law from Turkey, and was told, once after 49, there was no escaping of either paying or 3 months military. Same was told to another brother in law, who also called his family to look into this question for me. I was prepared to pay half and do 1 month at another visit, after obtaining an exit visa for the recent trip, until my brother called me to say, he had gone to the "TRNC" office in London, and was told, that I could be forced to stay and do military service right there and then, depending who was on duty, for that day. There was also a bill in the "parliament" to stop such requirements for those living abroad, but had not passed yet. Perhaps you can use your energy to get that bill passed, so that thousands of foreign born Cypriots can come and visit any part of Cyprus, without the fear of having to serve in the military, at some point in their lives, or become "deserters", if they do not come back, after promising to do so.

Unless you decide to come and settle in Cyprus,You are not required to do Military service or pay any money...Men living in foreign countries can stay up to 90 days in total in one year without any problem...I also have many family members living abroad and they all visit Cyprus at least once a year...
Have you thought of the possibility of your family trying to keep you away for some reason?It is not uncommon situation if you have a dispute over money or property and a very good way of scaring you away..

[zan]

[Kikapu]

Answer this then I have an uncle whos 62 residing in the UK, he comes to the TRNC every year and does not have any problem he obtains his exit visa and has never been asked to pay or do miltary service. You are not unique and are using this as an excuse to not set foot in the TRNC, just goes to prove you are a wolf in sheeps clothing. So you are doomed to only one side of the story and a warped impresson of the Cyprus issue.

Looks like Piratis beat me to most of my answers to you, so I won't repeat them, since he was very correct, in the points he made.

Now the other issue.

That's good to know VP that your 62 year old uncle does not need to pay or serve. I don't know how he did it, because by latest, he should have done it, at age 49. http://www.guvkk.net/asal/askeralma_ENG.htm

It's in English as well as Turkish.

Then you answer these qustions to me.

Why were people were made to promise, to come back and do their military service, in order to receive their exit permits.

Why would you need to have an exit permit, if certain conditions were not fulfilled.

Why the need to report to ASAL in the first place.

Why not just issue a stamped and dated entry on a card, and turn it in, upon leaving the "TRNC", so that one does not stay over 90 days.

My brother had to promise to come back and serve, about 10 years ago, he never went back. I'm sure he will be sent to a "kangaroo court" for his punishment, if he ever returns again.

An finally, your "Partner in Crime" ( Zan) brother was told, that he will need to serve, even if he was 70.

One other thing. How an Earth do you expect me to trust anything what the "TRNC" says, when their office in London says totally opposite to what you are saying, and totally different than what my 22nd Century brother in law in Turkey was told by ASAL, only 4 months ago. Perhaps if you a registered Partitionist, there are privileges, but I would have a hard time, passing for one.

Bottom line is, that I won't allow myself to be in a situation, where the "Rule of Law" is selective at the curtesy of the person, who has it at the time. I'm not into playing Russian roulett.

Why doesn't ASAL write clearly on their website what you have stated above, so that we can all read it. Then I may consider coming to the "TRNC".