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[zan]

After the coup of 74, what are the chances that the coupists actually won. Is the leadership of the RoC really the Greek junta in disguise and we have been sold a lie all along and that is why we cannot find a way through this whole thing. Are the real Cypriots in the south being held hostage by this regime.

[Piratis]

Unlike in the occupied areas, where the Turkish army not only dictates to your leadership what to do and what to say, but also they have imported 10s of thousands of settlers so they can determine the results of your votings, in the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus we have democracy of EU standards.

The leaders of the coup and the junta of Athens were jailed. The junta was a black dot in the history of Greece. On the other hand in Turkey the army rule is the norm since Turkey was established, and it will continue to be like that for many more years it seems.

[zan]

Not talking about the army Piratis but of the real power behind the coup. The top EOKA man occupies the top position in the RoC and the Greeks are well known in the art of vote manipulation. Look at the Annan plan.

[Piratis]

"The top EOKA man"? Papadopoulos simply participated in the original liberation fight against the colonialists, which was supported by the 95%+ of Greek Cypriots. If you call anybody that participated or supported the liberation straggle of 55-59 an "EOKA man" then we are all EOKA men and women.

Papadopoulos is elected with our votes, and that has nothing to do with the junta which was a military dictatorship.

[lovernomore]

"The top EOKA man"? Papadopoulos simply participated in the original liberation fight against the colonialists, which was supported by the 95%+ of Greek Cypriots. If you call anybody that participated or supported the liberation straggle of 55-59 an "EOKA man" then we are all EOKA men and women.

Papadopoulos is elected with our votes, and that has nothing to do with the junta which was a military dictatorship.

Even my boss Andy (61 year old GC from Paphos) says this was not a straggle for liberation, indipendance from British but a straggle for Enosis. The GC wanted always Enosis and it is this thta put them in this position.

I believe my boss he is a very honest man and very fair and I see how he is with his TC partner and TC workers.

[Piratis]

Liberation at that time meant enosis, since that is what the great majority of the population of Cyprus wanted, which is what exactly happened with most other Greek islands.

Here: http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm go read the declaration for decolonization and you will see that " integration into an independent State" is one of the "three legitimate options" a territory can democratically choose for being decolonized.

Just because enosis was demonized by your propaganda so it could be used as an excuse for the illegal war for partition, this doesn't mean our demand was unjust or illegal. Just like countries can join EU with 50%+, the colonialists should have allowed Cypriots to choose if they wanted to unite with Greece in a democratic way since the 20s or at least during the 50s.

[free_cyprus]

cyprus fate was sealed the day everyone signed the zurich agreement what is wrong with you people........................ the whole thing was aplay on an internation stage to devide the island of cyprus up and they done it and they all gained from it except cypriots.............they left us pointing our fingers at greeks speaking and turkish speakinf and blaming them for all the bad things that happened in cyprus ...........................and you lot wonder why we cannot find a solution..........................DO YOU PEOPLE REALLY THINK WE HAVE INDEPENDENCE IN CYPRUS IF YOU THINK WE HAVE THEN WE AS CYPRIOTS ARE MORE IDIOTS THEN I FIRST IMAGINED

[lovernomore]

Liberation at that time meant enosis, since that is what the great majority of the population of Cyprus wanted, which is what exactly happened with most other Greek islands.

Here: http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm go read the declaration for decolonization and you will see that " integration into an independent State" is one of the "three legitimate options" a territory can democratically choose for being decolonized.

Just because enosis was demonized by your propaganda so it could be used as an excuse for the illegal war for partition, this doesn't mean our demand was unjust or illegal. Just like countries can join EU with 50%+, the colonialists should have allowed Cypriots to choose if they wanted to unite with Greece in a democratic way since the 20s or at least during the 50s.

So what about the constitution? what about the TC. dont you think the TC had a right to object and resist?

I think you played tricks in the 60s just lke you played tricks with the EU and referandum. I been here five minuts and already I am begining to see a better and clearer picture.

[shahmaran]

Amen to that Lovernomore, hopefully everyone will see the real scum behind these so called "civilised Europeans" who so eagerly label us as barbarians and thieves and murderers, they still treat us like the 600 year old "guests" of this island who is refusing to leave...

[Piratis]

Nobody asked you to leave, what it is asked from you is to give back our properties which you illegally occupy and stay in your properties, not in ours. As long as you insist illegally occupying what belongs to us, then of course that makes you criminal thieves. If you steal you are a thief, how else could it be?