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[Piratis]

Here we go with the "GC domination" again. Did you forget here we are discussing about partition where TCs would have a separate 18% of land without any GCs?

The numbers are very clear, TCs are the 18%. Even your friends in the USA do not dispute this. So surely you demand more because thats all you ever learned, how to grab land. What you didn't learn is how to progress. Thats why Turkey is a 3rd world country and you a bunch of greedy losers.

The ethnic cleansing and the displacement of tens of thousands of TCs are never allowed for in any of your equations so why the hell should we listen to a false profit such as your self. 18% is not a true figure and you know it.

Numbers are for my government of the TRNC/KKTC to discuss and not up to me. With this sort of attitude that you and yours exhibit if you want my final answer on this issue then I personally would not give you any more than the few unoccupied ghost towns that are left. That is all you deserve. The reality of today’s numbers are that we hold 37% of the island and there are 40,000 Turkish troops on the island that are protecting our rights against a criminal element in the RoC. Chew on those numbers and carry on with your intransigence and stop the dreaming.

Well, giving me us back just some "ghost towns" is not enough. So rot in your pseudo until you change your mind. Don't come here crying about "isolation" etc though. Thats what you criminals deserve at the very least for stealing our land.

[zan]

Here we go with the "GC domination" again. Did you forget here we are discussing about partition where TCs would have a separate 18% of land without any GCs?

The numbers are very clear, TCs are the 18%. Even your friends in the USA do not dispute this. So surely you demand more because thats all you ever learned, how to grab land. What you didn't learn is how to progress. Thats why Turkey is a 3rd world country and you a bunch of greedy losers.

The ethnic cleansing and the displacement of tens of thousands of TCs are never allowed for in any of your equations so why the hell should we listen to a false profit such as your self. 18% is not a true figure and you know it.

Numbers are for my government of the TRNC/KKTC to discuss and not up to me. With this sort of attitude that you and yours exhibit if you want my final answer on this issue then I personally would not give you any more than the few unoccupied ghost towns that are left. That is all you deserve. The reality of today’s numbers are that we hold 37% of the island and there are 40,000 Turkish troops on the island that are protecting our rights against a criminal element in the RoC. Chew on those numbers and carry on with your intransigence and stop the dreaming.

Well, giving me us back just some "ghost towns" is not enough. So rot in your pseudo until you change your mind. Don't come here crying about "isolation" etc though. Thats what you criminals deserve at the very least for stealing our land.

No problem. We gave up waiting for any concessions from you along with the Annan plan OXI. You live with your criminal activities and we will live with ours. We will talk to the rest of the world and you can rot in your hell hole.

[zan]

Murataga, once again you consumed most of your post in personal attacks against me, and the one and only thing you said about the topic is that TCs should have way more than what proportionately belongs to them because in Egypt, which is mostly desert, people are concentrated in the 4% of the land. Wow, great argument, why you didn't use the Moon as an example?

My personal view about the Turks is shaped by their actions. In the same way you hate us to the degree that you justify our ethnic cleansing and you say that there is nothing unethical or illegal about it(!!!), I believe I am perfectly justified to hate those that invaded my country and illegally occupy it and are doing everything they can to violate our human rights and grab as much land from us as possible. You can consume as much time arguing about my perfectly justified feelings, since you apparently have no real arguments to deny the essence of my message in this thread.

Peace can be achieved in Cyprus only under the establishment of a bi-communal and bi-zonal federation where neither of the communities are allowed explicitly or implicitly their extend their will or sovereignty over the other.

Since you want to be separated from the GCs as much as possible and you want 2 separate states with 2 separate sovereignties (which amounts to partition anyways) then why are you trying to hide your partition aim behind the "bbf" label? Because except from partition you also want an EU membership at the same time, or because you think that by labeling it "bbf" you will manage to grab more land from us? Or is it maybe because you recognize your own incompetence and you want to be able to suck money from us, which is apparently the only relationship between the two states that you wouldn't object?

The fact my friend is that even if you could have everything you demand and all your "concerns" satisfied, without GCs to "dominate" you, with your own separate space and sovereignty, with as much Turkish troops for your "protection" as you want, with as many settlers as you want etc etc, you would still reject this if the land distribution was a proportional one, since all of the above are nothing more than your lame excuses and the one and only thing you really care about is how to grab as much land from us as possible.

And we have exactly the same right to hate you for the same reasons. Polish your EOKA medal Piratis, I am sure your leaders are keeping theirs close to their hearts.

[Piratis]

I was not even born back then you fool. The time of EOKA you had TMT, and the crimes were mutual. Today however, as with most of the rest of the history, you alone are the one who commit crimes against innocent people and insist on illegalities. Your one and only aim is to grab as much land from us as possible. Be sure we will never fall in that trap, and you will continue facing the consequences of your illegal actions for as long as it takes until our land is liberated, or come back to your senses and negotiate a fair proportional solution.

[zan]

I was not even born back then you fool. The time of EOKA you had TMT, and the crimes were mutual. Today however, as with most of the rest of the history, you alone are the one who commit crimes against innocent people and insist on illegalities. Your one and only aim is to grab as much land from us as possible. Be sure we will never fall in that trap, and you will continue facing the consequences of your illegal actions for as long as it takes until our land is liberated, or come back to your senses and negotiate a fair proportional solution.

You readily quote dates from thousands of years ago and then you come up with statements like this and then call me a fool. You are just playing childish games Piratis and many people have stopped taking you seriously long ago. Your constant hard work is something to be commended though, regardless of its ethics.

[Piratis]

I was not even born back then you fool. The time of EOKA you had TMT, and the crimes were mutual. Today however, as with most of the rest of the history, you alone are the one who commit crimes against innocent people and insist on illegalities. Your one and only aim is to grab as much land from us as possible. Be sure we will never fall in that trap, and you will continue facing the consequences of your illegal actions for as long as it takes until our land is liberated, or come back to your senses and negotiate a fair proportional solution.

You readily quote dates from thousands of years ago and then you come up with statements like this and then call me a fool. You are just playing childish games Piratis and many people have stopped taking you seriously long ago. Your constant hard work is something to be commended though, regardless of its ethics.

I only refer to history when you are trying to distort it. Unlike you, who is trying to use history as an excuse for crimes and illegalities today, what I want which is human rights and democracy doesn't need to be excused.

I know for a fact that people take me seriously, as I also know how much you hate it when your lame excuses are uncovered and you are exposed with no way to avoid the truth: That all you care about is how to use the military power of Turkey to gain as much land on our loss as possible.

[zan]

Same old, same old

[Jerry]

Back to the numbers game, like it or not we are a community who demands equal community right = 2 equal partners north and south. You lost the % split back in 1974, now you have to deal with 2 states.

Might is right, eh VP!

[Jerry]

Up to 160,000 Greek Cypriots went to the south when fighting started. Some 50,000 Turkish Cypriots later(1975) moved to the north

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history ... /1974.html

This figure ignores the thousands of UK Cypriots (my father and three uncles included) who lost second/retirement homes in the north and remained in the UK, they were never refugees but they did lose their property.

[free_cyprus]

i would not vote for anyone or anything to do with cyprus unless greece and turkey were not unvolved................. these two major players have been the misery of cyprus for the past fifty years