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[-mikkie2-]

Metecyp,

I was not trying to defend this guy.

I am merely saying that you cannot make assumptions as to why this guy did what he did. And what brother said was quite plain speculation and nothing more and it was turned into a political statement. To me that is wrong.

And using the examples of the acts of Turkish soldiers was to try to keep this into perspective. Is there anything wrong in that?

[Piratis]

Whenever we talk about something that one side did wrong, people feel the need to defend those actions by pointing out the wrongs of the other side.

Look whos talking!!!

You use the events of 63-68 to excuse 30 years of occupation, and if that was not enough you use the same events to excuse your unfair demands today and you want to convict GCs to be second category citizens with their rights permanently derogated.

Why is it so hard to admit that something is wrong without trying to give excuses for it?

[brother]

I think mikkie you need to read all my posts on this thread again before you comment any further.

Same goes for you piratis.

[-mikkie2-]

So in other words the idiot does not like the idea of unification and was happy with partition, hence probably his doing this was a way to antagonise the turks to create tension between the communities.

These are your words brother, and that is what I was commenting on.

I never suggested that this guy should not be punished. Due process should ensue so that these things don't happen again, but to make comments like the one you made above is rather silly in my view.

[brother]

mikkie i made many more comments after that, and also as much as mine was an assumption so was yours, also other gc forum members agree with me.
By in no means do i try to be silly, i am only saying lets not accept any excuses from either side for incidents like this, let us punish them to the fullest extent of the law so others will see we are serious.
In no means are my comments designed to antagonise you or anyone else but if you have anymore info on this situation please tell so we may stop assuming and start to debate it for all its facts.

[metecyp]

I am merely saying that you cannot make assumptions as to why this guy did what he did. And what brother said was quite plain speculation and nothing more and it was turned into a political statement. To me that is wrong.

I agree with what you said.

And using the examples of the acts of Turkish soldiers was to try to keep this into perspective. Is there anything wrong in that?

This is the part that I have a problem with. Why do you need to put things into perspective? Something is wrong and it's wrong no matter how "evil" Turkish soldiers are. It's plain and simple. That's what I meant and you can still think that you have to put things in perspective but I don't think it's necessary. Again, something is wrong, it's wrong.

You use the events of 63-68 to excuse 30 years of occupation, and if that was not enough you use the same events to excuse your unfair demands today and you want to convict GCs to be second category citizens with their rights permanently derogated.

I shouldn't waste my time trying to explain myself to you because we'll never agree anyway but let me correct some of the things you said. I never defended occupation. I believe it's wrong and the sooner we agree on a solution, the sooner the occupation ends.

Secondly, asking some safeguards for TCs in light of the past and the present is NOT trying to make GCs second class citizens. I don't believe that these safeguards are wrong or unfair and the whole world including EU thinks like I do. So, I'm not trying to give excuses for anything. Whenever Turkey or the TC side does something wrong, I always admit it without trying to give excuses.

[brother]

What a wonderful day it will be if piratis could admit to some of the south sides wrongs and stop there without having to turn and say'but the turks done this....'

Come on piratis do it, admit no ones perfect.

[iskismet]

I keep hearing that no one has been killed since the exchange of population in '75 but it has just been mentioned that GCs have been killed by TCs (I know about the flag one) on a regular basis.

Is this true

[Saint Jimmy]

I keep hearing that no one has been killed since the exchange of population in '75 but it has just been mentioned that GCs have been killed by TCs (I know about the flag one) on a regular basis.

Is this true

Yes, a number of Greek Cypriot soldiers have been shot dead on the buffer zone. Also, the flag one (Solomos Solomou) and Tasos Isaak were not soldiers, but unarmed civilians. The first one tried to get the flag off its pole and was shot dead, whereas the second was beaten to death in the buffer zone.

[metecyp]

I should also add that a Turkish soldier was also shot in the buffer zone. All these are of course horrible incidents and I hope they'll never repeat again.