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[free_cyprus]

heres a question for all you people is cyprus in euro or the middle east as is isreal

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,

I don' t actually remember begining my approach as you said.

You did not explicitly begin your approach in the way I said, but this doesn’t mean that your motive to have been claiming what you did, was not the one I described.

You do have a problem on the issue of morals. You do perceive politics are connected with ethics. It is your problem to solve it. The rest of the world -meaning the serius states- sovled it long ago.

Where did you get this from?

The jock is that you are not really the obstacle of EU given the last developements.

Non solution of the Cyprus issue is an obstacle, a major one, but this doesn’t mean that it is the only obstacle to Turkey’s EU accession. Who said the opposite?

Μην αγοράσεις κανένα προιόν σκέψης μου. Γνωρίζω πράγματι τόσο λίγα. Μόνο που τα ολίγα τούτα είναι πλείονα των δικών σου.

Μια και τα ολίγα που γνωρίζεις είναι πλείονα των δικών μου, όπως λες, καλύτερα μάθε τουλάχιστον τούτο, ότι «ΧΕΙΡΟΝ ΤΟΥ ΑΜΑΘΟΥΣ, ΗΜΙΜΑΘΕΙΣ ΕΣΤΙΝ!»

[lupusdiavoli]

Ι told you not to buy. So don' t get upset. We cannot find a common ground? That' s fine. You disagree with me? That's fine too. We contemplate things in a different way hence the incompatibility. Keep your conclusions if they fit you.

Gnoseology is interesting but not actually of the present. I have no strong desire to follow such circle of arguments.

Nevertheless χάριν της φιλομαθείας σου allow me to point out that «ΧΕΙΡΟΝ ΤΟΥ ΑΜΑΘΟΥΣ, ΗΜΙΜΑΘΕΙΣ ΕΣΤΙΝ!» ... Αφής αναφέρεσαι σε ενικό υποκείμενο "του αμαθούς" δέον να διατηρήσεις τον ενικό στην συνέχεια δηλαδή, "ημιμαθ-ή-ς έστιν". Αλλιώς προτιμότερο να αποτύπωνες το ρήμα στην πτώση του πληθυντικού προκειμένου να συμφωνεί.

Sorry, such things make you sick! Anyway such syntactical errors are quite common for ...........

[BirKibrisli]

Lupusdiavoli and Kifeas...

You are beginning to sound like members of a secret society who know things the rest of us cannot possible have access to...

Do you mind sharing the Greek bits with those of us who cannot read it,so we can all be suitably enlightened or impressed... ???

[Kifeas]

Ι told you not to buy. So don' t get upset. We cannot find a common ground? That' s fine. You disagree with me? That's fine too. We contemplate things in a different way hence the incompatibility. Keep your conclusions if they fit you.

Gnoseology is interesting but not actually of the present. I have no strong desire to follow such circle of arguments.

Nevertheless χάριν της φιλομαθείας σου allow me to point out that «ΧΕΙΡΟΝ ΤΟΥ ΑΜΑΘΟΥΣ, ΗΜΙΜΑΘΕΙΣ ΕΣΤΙΝ!» ... Αφής αναφέρεσαι σε ενικό υποκείμενο "του αμαθούς" δέον να διατηρήσεις τον ενικό στην συνέχεια δηλαδή, "ημιμαθ-ή-ς έστιν". Αλλιώς προτιμότερο να αποτύπωνες το ρήμα στην πτώση του πληθυντικού προκειμένου να συμφωνεί.

Sorry, such things make you sick! Anyway such syntactical errors are quite common for ...........

Lupusdiavoli, thanks for teaching me Greek! Of course, it never occurred to you that it was not a syntactical error but a mere spelling one, like the so many spelling ones you commit in each paragraph of your posts.

“Για του λόγου το αληθές,” take a look here,

Yes we do need to rely on history to solve this. A useful example would be the pro modern period of Europe up to the WW II which –the latter- decisively put an end to the strategic pendency (??? Do you mean to say tendency, pending, or dependency?) in Europe. Ironically the result was not in the favour of those powers dominating for years the conflict pendulum ie. GB, France, Germany. France and Germany became allies not because of the civilized way but because they simply have nothing to gain from each other. The trophy went to USA. But on a local level as the one between Turkey and Greece thing are otherwise.

and,

It is a different story when the subjects are states and their interests. There is no honor there.
Your culture has never let you understand the need for compromise? I should say the way some like to interpretate (I suppose you want to say interpret) it. It is not brave to reach solutions through compromises. It is simply the reality when you are on the weak side. What is brave is to admit this as a fact instead of high hopes.

and,

I have no desire at all to see Turkey becoming a EU member. Hypocric(s)y on the other hand is the attitude of EU officials who supposively (supposedly …I suppose) like to see that in the future, the same goes for your side in the sense that the majority doesn't really accept Turkey being "European" but for obvious reasons of tactics such policy was employed . One based on the high hope to see Turkey civilised through the process. I found it mos(t) amusing to be honest.

I have no desire to make you believe that I know much. My self-image has no need for that. Call it self-confidence.

You do have a problem on the issue of morals. You do perceive politics are connected with ethics. It is your problem to solve it. The rest of the world -meaning the seri(o)us states- sovl(lv)ed it long ago.

The jock is that you are not really the obstacle of EU given the last develop(-e)ments. There are other problems related to the problems EU itself and its lost -for the time being- focus on what kind of Union shall become, if ever... For the moment is just a version of economic entity with no force, no teeth, following US and crying from time to time for harmonisation and the rest. Harmonisation exists but on a financial level in favour of the great economic company-structures. This is the real motivating value and not your human rights.

[Kifeas]

Lupusdiavoli and Kifeas...

You are beginning to sound like members of a secret society who know things the rest of us cannot possible have access to...

Do you mind sharing the Greek bits with those of us who cannot read it,so we can all be suitably enlightened or impressed... ???

Sorry Brother, but that is how the Delphi oracles used to speak in ancient Greece!

"ΗΞΕΙΣ ΑΦΙΞΕΙΣ ΟΥΚ ΕΝ ΠΟΛΕΜΩ ΘΝΙΞΕΙΣ"

“YOU DEPART YOU ARRIVE NOT IN THE FIGHT YOU DIE”

You need to know how to interpret them (…the oracles!)

[lupusdiavoli]

Birkibrisli,

OK. You are right.

Kifeas. You are so vexed "brother" and we are about to lose focus of the issue in that way. I accept the fact that you dislike me, to say the least. I don't have the same feelings against you. We have a pure disagreement. You made yourself clear that you have no intention to "bend". Fine. Do as you like and pay the cost. Time will verify the correctness of the arguments set forth.

[miltiades]

turkish speaking and greek speaking people of cyprus are to bleme to we must take some of the resposibility for becoming agents of turkey and greece.................... not only that we signed away any rights as cypriots when they agreed to the zurich agreement in 1959........................cyprus was devided then not in 1974 but many people in here think it was the greek junta that gave turkey the excuse its rubbish they all worked together to ahcieve the end result and they done it..................... four members of nato turkey, greece, britain , and america...........all to their own advantage

Free_Cyprus
This is the one thing that I think we have all agreed on and you keep going on about it over and over again. I am not having a go at you and have resisted the urge to comment but you are like a dog that keeps nipping at our heels.

I wonder if the "Greek speaking " and "Turkish speaking " ................
and the English speaking and the Russian speaking and the French speaking would shut up and listen to the ................voice of reason.........
the Gobledywaboldy speaking.............. and lets include the vaf vaf speaking bloody dog who keeps ........ nipping at our heels or is it sniffing at our Greek speaking , Turkish speaking balls..........

[Kifeas]

Birkibrisli,

OK. You are right.

Kifeas. You are so vexed "brother" and we are about to lose focus of the issue in that way. I accept the fact that you dislike me, to say the least. I don't have the same feelings against you. We have a pure disagreement. You made yourself clear that you have no intention to "bend". Fine. Do as you like and pay the cost. Time will verify the correctness of the arguments set forth.

Of course I dislike you, to say the least! Do you care if I do …being such a cynical amoralist?

Of course you may have also realized by now that cynicism is a trade I also master, equally well, in spite of the fact that I am not a North American or an Anglo-Saxon!

You come here and you try to pass a (whatever) point, by suggesting things that do not exist in reality and their only purpose would be to instill demoralizing and inferiority sentiments to the Greek Cypriots, such as that we have to accept “defeat” and capitulate because we “lost” the “war” in 1974, and that human rights do not exist in a world of politics, and you expect anything different from any self-respecting Greek Cypriot? You see, the only “Greek Cypriot” friend you have made is the Anglo-Saxon bred and tailored admirer, Bananiot!


And because you are «ημιμαθής,» allow me to explain to you some facts! No defeat occurs if the outcome is not concluded and one of the sides accepts it. In 1974, a war between Cyprus and Turkey has started! We did not provoke this war, neither had we invited it! Turkey invaded us for mere land grabbing purposes and for the sake of serving its neo-ottoman, megalomaniac, illegitimate and ill-perceived geo-strategic interests, and this is evident now with Turkey’s claims and attitude regarding the oil reserves south of Cyprus. It needed a pre-text, and with the help your country’s agents (CIA) it had found it! This war is not over yet, to have to accept a defeat and thus to also be compelled to capitulate! What we have, since 1974, is officially branded and noted (by the UN) as a cease fire! The “Green line” splitting Cyprus in two, is not a boarder line between two countries, but a cease fire line! Ask the UN and they will explain this to you! This war continues even to this date, but (for the moment) only with diplomatic, political and legal means! Unfortunately we have to struggle and fight against superior forces, since Turkey has behind her the backing of your cynical and amoralist country! That is why we dislike you, to say the least!

The easy solution would have been to capitulate, as you suggest! Unfortunately, this is not permitted to us by our 3,500 years of long historical existence in the whole of this country! I am not expecting nations like yours, who only have a limited history, to understand where we come from. I am not naïve to expect such a thing! We are confident that in the same way we survived for centuries under so many occupiers, and in the end we survived, we stayed, but they left; that we will also now emerge victorious in the end! The only way Turkey would have had a chance to have won this war that it started against us, is to have managed our complete physical extermination. From the moment it had not succeeded this outcome, it had already lost the war. Turkey lost the war in 1974, because we managed to survive! If Turkey did not achieve our complete physical extermination in 1974, there is no way it will achieve it now, or from now on!

The reason Turkey had lost the war in 1974, was because we were clever enough to have retreated so that we survive! And as you know, retreating doesn’t mean defeat!

[BirKibrisli]

Lupusdiavoli and Kifeas...

You are beginning to sound like members of a secret society who know things the rest of us cannot possible have access to...

Do you mind sharing the Greek bits with those of us who cannot read it,so we can all be suitably enlightened or impressed... ???

Sorry Brother, but that is how the Delphi oracles used to speak in ancient Greece!

"ΗΞΕΙΣ ΑΦΙΞΕΙΣ ΟΥΚ ΕΝ ΠΟΛΕΜΩ ΘΝΙΞΕΙΣ"

“YOU DEPART YOU ARRIVE NOT IN THE FIGHT YOU DIE”

You need to know how to interpret them (…the oracles!)

Oh...The Delphi Oracle...Here is one which is pretty easy to understand:

There are two roads, most distant from each other: the one leading to the honorable house of freedom, the other the house of slavery, which mortals must shun. It is possible to travel the one through manliness and lovely accord; so lead your people to this path. The other they reach through hateful strife and cowardly destruction; so shun it most of all

But some would have problems interpreting this as well,dear Kifeas...