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[Viewpoint]

What the hell are you talking about, no one is getting treated like dogs!

Stop talking out of your arse again!

You're wasting everyone's time now over events that are well known to everyone else and off-topic in here...

http://www.kurdistan.org/Trial/schulter.html

Yeah explain that to the 35,000 dead Turks, and stop trying to make a point with crappy propaganda sites!

They dont count as they are Turks, dont you undersand how GCs feel against Turks, anyone who is against Turks is their bosoom buddy.

[Bananiot]

Turkish_boy, your mind has become very poisoned. It is a pity. The presence of nationalist Greek Cypriots in this forum is not an excuse.

[T_C]

Turkish_boy, your mind has become very poisoned. It is a pity. The presence of nationalist Greek Cypriots in this forum is not an excuse.

I have yet to meet a Kurd who I would actually get a long with. A bit hard since they don't even hesitate to tell me how much they hate Turks from the get go. Maybe Greek people get along with them better since they have things in common...

Sorry Bananiot but I would of loved for you to have seen the Kurds we had in Cyprus!

[Get Real!]

Those of you who support offering land to Turkish Cypriots (effectively Turkey) have a look at this partition experiment...

http://www.atcanews.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=312

Be sure to read through both pages of the thread.

[lupusdiavoli]

I cannot but agree with many of your arguments Babaniot. I do believe that the current policy being followed by the G/C side is a study case for failure.
Your arguments are well balanced indeed. Not always though. You do not know for sure for example whether “..Cyprus would have been an independent, unified country now… if it were not for the enosis dream”. See India. Or Crete which resembles Cyprus case.

The balance is produced however by saying that “…Greek Cypriots can be justified for this aspiration…” Is this an admission out of heart? May be judging from the following “We pursued our dream”.

Now the next “…ignored the geostrategic interests of other players, such as Turkey, the USA, Britain and even Greece…”

I thought that the reason, according to you, was “the nationalist aspirations”. But tell me do u really believe that geo-strategy changes if you eliminate nationalism?

Regarding TC it is true that “Many think that we (GC) do not want them as equal partners”. Well actually this is valid. A growing majority of GC cannot accept partnership. From what I know at least, more and more are driven towards partition. Hard to admit publicly but whispers are loud enough.

Yes Twanisation is very possible for the north and the time factor is in its favour.
You describe the events objectively I can say.

So what is left?
Please follow this equation –yours actually: following a dream & heart plus nationalism leads to mistakes.

Now let me transform slightly the equation: following a dream & heart plus statism leads to mistakes too.

You simply replaced the old dream of enosis, someone could say, by another dream. Enosis again, of the island this time.

In both cases geosrategic interests are out of the picture. If geo-strategy is the source of the problem how can you solve the Cyprus issue unless you are able to solve primarily the geo-strategic equation?

Most of the GC cannot accept BBF anyway, they learnt nothing by their own mistakes and they cannot even understand that BBF itself is the hard price of defeat. And further is the hard price of their geo-strategic weakness.

[Piratis]

Some quick answers:

Proportional power sharing with TCs, definetely yes.
A power sharing were the 18% minority would be equated to the 82% majority, hell no, as thats simply undemocratic.

We accept BBF as long as the land distribution is 18%-82% and it is a true federation as it exists in other countries (e.g. USA).
We do not accept whatever partition proposal that is labeled as "BBF" that would be dysfunctional and problematic and end up in an official partition with TCs owing 29% of our island.

Those that talk about EOKA should also remember TMT.

The reason that Cyprus is divided today is because Turkey had the power to invade and the Americans gave them the excuse by sending the Junta to Cyprus. The coup was the excuse for the invasion, and not whatever happened several years earlier.

[T_C]

Could someone give me a visual of what 18% of Cyprus would be like?

If not then someone tell me what would happen to all the TC's currently living outside the 18%? Would they have to pack up and move to within the TC state?

[Simon]

Well a large number of those outside the 18% will probably be settlers anyway. Why not move to the TC state, after all it is TCs that want partition isn't it? Don't tell me TCs would actually want to live in the GC state?

[T_C]

1) I have NO problem living with GCs so long as they dont give me grief.

2)Cyprus is already tiny, 18% to me seems the equivalent of living on a rock.

[Piratis]

Could someone give me a visual of what 18% of Cyprus would be like?

It is half of what the occupied areas are. I hope you will not say that 18% is too small, because that would mean that the 18% of TCs are too few.

If not then someone tell me what would happen to all the TC's currently living outside the 18%? Would they have to pack up and move to within the TC state?

Theoretically speaking always about this scenario:

In that case it will depend on the arrangements between the two states. E.g. there could be an agreement that 50.000 TCs can stay in the GC state as a minority and 50.000 GCs can stay in the TC state as a minority.
In this way the 18%-82% ratio will still be maintained.

Of course the best would be if everybody could live in his own home and property but unfortunately TCs reject this option.