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[Simon]

I think it is probably because many people in this Forum have already debated these issues time and time again in the past. I am sure eventually though most people will comment on your post. I have just posted a comment there myself.

[Bananiot]

This thread demonstrates quite clearly why BBF is the only realistic solution for all real Cypriots. Outside BBF there is nothing but chaos and its up to us to agree the finer details of BBF. We only have to shed our sick nationalism and chauvinism and things will appear much easier. After all in many parts of the world there is hunger, poverty, war, strife, disease etc. Surely we can all be magnanimous and find a common language towards BBF.

[lupusdiavoli]

Babanioft I don' t understand why BBF is the "only realistic solution". Realism is defined by what? The present situation is "Outside BBF" and I cannot see chaos. Is nationalism the reason behind the Cyprus issue? Hunger, poverty, war, strife, disease etc will always be around. So?

[Get Real!]

If Turkey loves her Turkish Cypriots so much let her give them all the land they want on HER turf not ours, and while she’s at it someone remind her to also carve up a sizable chunk for her 22 million Kurds still being treated like dogs in Turkey.

Turkey must demonstrate to the rest of the world how the carving up of a country is done using her own territory so that the rest of us may learn.

Cyprus owes nothing to nobody except to her citizens that abide by her laws and in this way show their love and respect for the island. Those that do not abide by the laws of Cyprus are nothing but Cyprus’ enemies.

United we stand for a free contiguous Cyprus.

[shahmaran]

What the hell are you talking about, no one is getting treated like dogs!

Stop talking out of your arse again!

[Get Real!]

What the hell are you talking about, no one is getting treated like dogs!

Stop talking out of your arse again!

You're wasting everyone's time now over events that are well known to everyone else and off-topic in here...

http://www.kurdistan.org/Trial/schulter.html

[Bananiot]

Well, lupusdiavoli, we can achieve only what is feasible. We can moan and groan all day long and ask for a unitary state and the Turkish Cypriots for two separate states but this will get us no where. BBF offers the only way around the impasse but one great hurdle that needs to be overcome first are the nationalist aspirations that have haunted many members of both communities and are responsible for our predicament.

If it were not for the enosis dream, Cyprus would have been an independent, unified country now, with a much better constitution than the one offered to us in 1959 as a result of the failure of the armed struggle. In politics, there is always a price to be paid for bad decisions, mistakes, criminal mistakes and even mistakes made in good heart. I believe BBF will be the smallest price to pay for the mistakes we made since 1955. I am not saying that the enosis dream of the Greek Cypriots was totally unfounded. On the contrary, Greek Cypriots can be justified for this aspiration. However, there is a danger when following only what the heart dictates. We pursued our dream as though we were the only inhabitants of this island, totally ignoring the fears and sensitivities of the other community. We completely ignored the geostrategic interests of other players, such as Turkey, the USA, Britain and even Greece.

We played a game and we lost and together, it seems, we have lost the opportunity to own a unified country. The Turkish Cypriots aspire, it seems from the results of the UN brokered poll, for two separate states. This was not so only 3-4 years ago, when the Turkish Cypriots came to the streets in the thousands to demand from Denktash to step down. Remember, Denktash was the champion of the policy for two separate states existing side by side as two good neighbours. What has changed since, in such a relatively short time?

I am inclined to think that many good Turkish Cypriots have become disillusioned with us Greek Cypriots. Many think that we do not want them as equal partners. Our government has been sending the wrong signals to them and their level of trust towards us has declined dramatically. Thus, again, we are repeating the same mistakes of the past and we are sending them packing into the warm embrace of mother Turkey and the nationalists of the type of Denktash who are seating on the wings, with renewed zeal, and have Talat on their site.

Can the elements within the Turkish Cypriot community and Turkey that aspire for two states ever achieve this goal. Hopefully not, but Twanisation is very possible for the north. In fact we are seeing this transformation happening right now. Hoon said only yesterday that direct flights to Ercan (Timbou) may be possible in the future. In fact, many companies are silently doing it as we talk. Their planes land directly at Timbou after first passing over the Turkish FIR without actually landing first at a Turksih airport. Then, the position of the Turkish Cypriots has become very strong at the UN and the EE and one can also witness the construction boom that takes place in the north as something that is there to last.

My god, lupusdiavoli, we need to go for BBF for bust.

[shahmaran]

What the hell are you talking about, no one is getting treated like dogs!

Stop talking out of your arse again!

You're wasting everyone's time now over events that are well known to everyone else and off-topic in here...

http://www.kurdistan.org/Trial/schulter.html

Yeah explain that to the 35,000 dead Turks, and stop trying to make a point with crappy propaganda sites!

[Viewpoint]

Great Post Bananiot, it makes me feel that there are a few GCs out there who do understand the truth about developments in Cyprus's past and present, thank you.

[T_C]

Yeah right! It wouldn't suit them to say anything else mate, they want a chunk out of Anatolia, they would cut their own arms off if it would get them anywhere..

Plus at one point there was quite a load of them in our side, ugh, and what a dreadfull bunch of people they were.