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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Murataga » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:20 am

TUrkey will not pay.

When a non-muslim people are conquered they enter the dhimma contract. They are allowed to exist as long as they respect muslim rule, their inferior status and do not try to change this status. When they break the dhimma muslims feel it is just just to wage jihad against them again, but massacre them.

So Turks will never think invading Cyprus was wrong or recognize anything. They do not really respect international law or human rights. They will only pay a symbolic and small sum if anything. They will never express true remorse.


You live in archaic history. Turkey did not invade Cyprus and never for a day claimed since July 20 of 1974 that the North is their`s. Turkey made up for the military power we lacked as TCs in our resistance to the Hellenization and ENOSIS of Cyprus. Learn the history of Cyprus first before preaching nonsense. What will the GCs pay for dishonoring their signature in 1960 and for killing/sieging/embargoing their fellow TCs so Cyprus`s indpenedence could be handed over to Greece?
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Postby pitsilos » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:48 am

stop foaming at the mouth mutaga :lol:
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:50 am

Simon doesnt seem to be thinking for both communities, he is just after whatever he can grab from the deal, my friend youre approach is totally wrong if you want to bring peace and unity to this island...
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:52 am

LENA wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
LENA wrote:
shahmaran wrote:xaxaxaxaxa! :twisted:


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Will you go to bed and stop following my post...Jesus...are you in love with me or what?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)



You wish lady!! :roll:


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yea right ... what ever you say!!

But I was more hopping that if I kiss you you might turn to be a prince...well now I will never know!!! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:


Well one can only dream and hope my dear Lena,

only dream and hope.....



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Postby humanist » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:19 am

Simon, I disagree with you. I personally do not believe that it is about the land but justice and precedence. I find it unacceptable for any nation to invade another and to take part of its territory declaring it as an independent state or simply holding it as the north is being helf. There is other issues involved yes human rights and fairness. Whilst I accept that some turkish speaking cypriots experieneced violence and discrimination in the 60's I do not agree that the current situation is acceptable nor should it become acceptable.

Clearly in Cyprus there exists more than one ethnic/ linguistic group and people with justifiable and rightful ownership of land, the Cyprus issue ought to be solved on this basis, that whatever intercommunal conflict exists needs to be dealth with within the framework of one country.
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Postby LENA » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:42 pm

Simon wrote:It is not about 'selling us out' Lena, but the reality on the ground. Almost every Poll I read indicates that the majority of TCs prefer a two-state solution; and they will only entertain a BBF if it is more like a confederation (i.e. Annan Plan). What is the point in that? GCs have already rejected this. If you are going to have a confederation; i.e. Greek Cypriot state and Turkish Cypriot state with a weak central government; you might as well just go the whole way and have partition, which is what it will end up as anyway.

I guess what I am saying, is that it is about time we woke up to the reality. TCs do not want the kind of reunification we do. So where from here? Well I believe we have 4 options:

1) Wait endlessly for the 'balance of power' to change and take our land back by force.

2) Wait endlessly for TCs to change their minds and decide they want to live in a united Cyprus after all (don't hold your breath). If, while waiting, the 'TRNC' is recognised, hope for any compromise is gone for good.

3) Accept an Annan-style Plan.

4) Accept formal partition, with TCs making territorial concessions.

TCs have made it clear (along with the settlers of course) that they will not accept reunification that goes beyond that of the Annan Plan. So when are GCs going to wake up to the fact that they are trying to re-marry a partner that divorced us and has no intention of returning? Therefore, I simply ask (and I am not saying this is my preferred option by any means, but simply responding to the reality on the ground) that is our best hope, to try to negotiate as much land back as possible, and as much compensation as possible for our displaced persons?


What I see in your post …and I am sorry if it will sound a bit like I am insulting you …. But you did sell us out…us and your country Simon. You talk about Cyprus like a piece of land that you negotiate how much you will get from that or how much you will pay for that. Try to negotiate as much land back as possible….? Try to negotiate with who? Get land back? Simon my country is from Ap. Andrea to Akama…from Kerimia to Limassol…I am not negotiating about land…

I agree with Humanist…Cyprus is not about land…is about people, human rights, all your 4 options up there lead to one conclusion … that you made your mind to sell your property and you only wait for the price.

You can call me naïve…as other has done already, dreamer or any but until I lost every hope, until there will be none left that want unification…I will stick on my believes. I will fight for the best of my country and not the best price for my self.

The survey show some hopes…and I will stick with them hopping that the percentages in favour of the unification will increase in the next 3 years.
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Postby LENA » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:49 pm

Murataga wrote:
TUrkey will not pay.

When a non-muslim people are conquered they enter the dhimma contract. They are allowed to exist as long as they respect muslim rule, their inferior status and do not try to change this status. When they break the dhimma muslims feel it is just just to wage jihad against them again, but massacre them.

So Turks will never think invading Cyprus was wrong or recognize anything. They do not really respect international law or human rights. They will only pay a symbolic and small sum if anything. They will never express true remorse.


You live in archaic history. Turkey did not invade Cyprus andnever for a day claimed since July 20 of 1974 that the North is their`s. Turkey made up for the military power we lacked as TCs in our resistance to the Hellenization and ENOSIS of Cyprus. Learn the history of Cyprus first before preaching nonsense. What will the GCs pay for dishonoring their signature in 1960 and for killing/sieging/embargoing their fellow TCs so Cyprus`s indpenedence could be handed over to Greece?



Anything else for you my dear murataga? Any sauce??? [/u]
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Postby Simon » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:50 pm

Shah, you are just an idiot. I do not think for both communities? oh brother..... :roll: I'm not even going to justify that with a response. Just don't comment on my posts, you too stupid for me to be bothered with.

Humanist, You do not think justice is about our land that was stolen? Go and tell that to the 200,000 displaced persons. Looking for precedence, take a look at Israel and Palestine. I find it unacceptable to, who doesn't? However, this is all sweeping statements and does not address my comments at all. What are you going to do, force them to unify? What of my previous 4 options will you choose?

I'm replying to the reality, TCs do not want unification, so what are you/we going to do?
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Postby LENA » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:53 pm

shahmaran wrote:
LENA wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
LENA wrote:
shahmaran wrote:xaxaxaxaxa! :twisted:


.............


Will you go to bed and stop following my post...Jesus...are you in love with me or what?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)



You wish lady!! :roll:


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yea right ... what ever you say!!

But I was more hopping that if I kiss you you might turn to be a prince...well now I will never know!!! :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:


Well one can only dream and hope my dear Lena,

only dream and hope.....



:lol: :lol: :lol:


yes true Shah...I was dreaming that you have a good side of a prince somewhere hidden but unfortunately you are just a frog....But I will keep your advice and hope you MIGHT have a good side!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Simon » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:17 pm

Lena,

[quote]What I see in your post …and I am sorry if it will sound a bit like I am insulting you …. But you did sell us out…us and your country Simon. You talk about Cyprus like a piece of land that you negotiate how much you will get from that or how much you will pay for that. Try to negotiate as much land back as possible….? Try to negotiate with who? Get land back? Simon my country is from Ap. Andrea to Akama…from Kerimia to Limassol…I am not negotiating about land… [/quote]

What I see in your post Lena, is the same ideal situation that many talk about. Cyprus is magically going to become one country again, but you are dreaming! You will be waiting forever. Even our leaders have said yes to a BBF, what do you think that is, it will still be stealth partition anyway, with TCs dominating the north and GCs the south. Explain how I am selling us out? Explain how you will make Cyprus one? People like you enjoy talking about ideals, but never on substance. I am being realistic. Are you going to force TCs to unify? You talk as if it is my choice; and ignore the fact that TCs have to agree with your ideal view, AND THEY DON'T. Show me one Poll, where TCs prefer a one-state solution above the rest, and I will be very happy.

[quote]I agree with Humanist…Cyprus is not about land…is about people, human rights, all your 4 options up there lead to one conclusion … that you made your mind to sell your property and you only wait for the price. [/quote]

I am sorry to sound patronising, but this makes me laugh. What do you think the people care about: their land and houses. What do you think the main human rights breaches are about: GCs being removed from their land and houses. Of course it is about land and we want it all back! But eventually, realism must kick in. My 4 options do not lead to one conclusion, you are simply wrong. One of my options was wait for TCs to change their mind and unite with us, (although I did say don't hold your breath because I cannot see it happening); that was a very different conclusion to selling our property, so please refrain from making misleading statements, when trying to malign me.

[quote]You can call me naïve…as other has done already, dreamer or any but until I lost every hope, until there will be none left that want unification…I will stick on my believes. I will fight for the best of my country and not the best price for my self. [/quote]

This is the whole point though Lena, a minority of TCs want unification. Tell me what is going to change? You have heard Zan, VP etc, it does not matter what happens, they will always favour partition, because they see themselves as Turks, well, well before Cypriots. In the North, the majority are settlers, are you going to force them all to leave? Will Turkey agree? How can we stop them voting on a solution? You are right, I do think we are being naive, because we keep reiterating what we want the solution to be, but not recognising there are two parties at the table, and we have to get the other's agreement. 'The other' being now Turks as much as TCs, because there are so many settlers. I am asking what can we do to change this? And here is your response:

[quote]I will stick with them hopping that the percentages in favour of the unification will increase in the next 3 years.[/quote]

Wait another 3 years for another survey, hoping for a difference. :roll: In the meantime, pray 'TRNC' is forever unrecognised. :roll:
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