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[shahmaran]

Of course it is, however it doesn't change the fact that you and your new friend are 2 proper racist pieces of s***s!

But just for the sake of argument, what would YOU call the massacres in the 2 villages?

And please save your energy if you are going to reply "inter-communal conflict" because that simply dilutes the level of cruelty within the seriously unnecessary killings committed there...

And i don't want to hear statistics either, i just want a simple answer!

[Nikephoros]

The fact that so many Turkish Cypriots were rounded up only to be negotiated back behind the Turkish military lines proves in what kind of garbage bin to put all writings stating that there was an attempted or actual genocide going around in Cyprus.

Unfortunately for Turks there exist specialized genocide scholars who have developed an etiology that historic genocides use. Also unfortunately for these same Turks most these scholars accept the Armenian genocide happened and not the concocted Turkish Cypriot genocide or attempted genocide. So keep cooking the historical record to see if it is tasty.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

But just for the sake of argument, what would YOU call the massacres in the 2 villages?

A stupid retaliation of massacres in Greek Cypriot villages by Turkish troops and Turkish Cypriot militia.

[Nikephoros]

Massacres in two villages are not a genocide then, they are massacres.

So you are trying to say, shahmaran, you agree that there was no Turkish Cypriot attempted genocide or occuring genocide?

[askimwos]

But just for the sake of argument, what would YOU call the massacres in the 2 villages?

Attrocities, monstrocities but certainly not ethnic cleansing. It takes a hell of a lot more to call something ethnic cleansing shah..

[zan]

shahmaran, actually I am not a loser. Believe I am no leftist Greek Cypriot. I will next time I go to the library scan relevant sources from actual genocide scholars and put in them in your face that for a genocide to occur you obviously have to round up the population you want to genocide, lie to them, then liquidate them.

But in 1974 the opposite happened. SHOCK! HORROR!

Get a life caluminating Turks and stop putting your dirt on the history of every nation neighboring you.

The genocides were happening well before then when the GCs had only a TC civilian people to fight against. I also don't think that they were trying to advertise it too much. The events that you are talking about in 74...........Turkey moving against a beaten Greek army..............Lets just say that they would have had to have been totally void of any brain cells to have killed these people or they would have had to have had balls the size of the moon. Even they knew that such a mass murder would have seen them pushed completely off the island. You can take all the events you want but if you cannot interpret what they mean and why they happened you will always be a lost soul.

[shahmaran]

I'm talking about the TC villages snake....

This is genocide my friend, its aimed to wipe out a certain ethnicity from a certain area by another ethnic group, its got nothing to do with numbers but its the motive, and we have discussed this many times over and over again here, we even brought in dictionary definitions of the terms, there is no real justification in military terms for wiping out 2 villages full of mainly elderly, women and children, is there? Only 1 idiot here had the nerve to call it "strategical killings due to the invasion" but had no real argument to support his sick theory, so lets hear it, how will you explain it?

And just to make things clear, I am talking about the killings in Atlilar, Sandallar and Murataga, and if you are still confused, i can very well post the pictures of the mass graves, or you can just Google them...

[Nikephoros]

Zan, do I look like some leftist Greek Cypriot trying to make brothers with Turks on the altar of crucified history?

The National Guard only attacked the treasonous Turks of Cyprus after the Turkish invasion was underway. So even the pretext about protecting Turkish Cypriots is a lie. Because they were much better protected before the invasion, in their enclaves safely and openly committing treason to their Greek Cypriot neighbors and alleged compatriots.

[zan]

Zan, do I look like some leftist Greek Cypriot trying to make brothers with Turks on the altar of crucified history?

The National Guard only attacked the treasonous Turks of Cyprus after the Turkish invasion was underway. So even the pretext about protecting Turkish Cypriots is a lie. Because they were much better protected before the invasion, in their enclaves safely and openly committing treason to their Greek Cypriot neighbors and alleged compatriots.

After????

Cyprus
Intercommunal Violence, 1963-67
Three years of peace followed Cypriot independence in 1960. Beneath the peace, however, lay the resentment of some Greek Cypriots at the prevention of enosis and a growing conflict between Greek and Turkish Cypriots over the bicommunal provisions of the constitution. The Cypriot army, which was to consist of 1,200 Greek Cypriots and 800 Turkish Cypriots, never materialized because of differences over the six-to-four formula for integrating the force. EOKA had officially disbanded and surrendered its weapons in 1959, and Grivas had returned to Greece. In fact, however, many former EOKA members had retained their weapons, and some joined groups of armed irregulars. The Turkish Cypriot community responded to the growth of these groups by reviving the TMT in early 1962. These forces received arms and assistance from the Greek and Turkish contingents assigned to the island.

In late November 1963, the president, Archbishop Makarios, introduced a thirteen-point proposal to amend the constitution in a way that would ensure the dominance of Greek Cypriots (see Republic of Cyprus , ch. 1). In the tense atmosphere that ensued, a street brawl broke out on December 21 in Nicosia, between Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriot police. This fight was followed by major attacks by Greek Cypriot irregulars in Nicosia and Larnaca. Looting and destruction of Turkish villages forced many Turkish Cypriots to withdraw into defensible enclaves guarded by the TMT paramilitary. Fearful that Turkey might carry out its threat to invade, Makarios agreed to British intervention from its bases on the island. On December 27 British troops assumed positions between opposing irregular units, and the fighting, which had claimed 100 lives on each side during the previous week, subsided temporarily. The cease-fire held in Nicosia, but by mid-February 1964 Greek Cypriot attacks at Limassol brought a renewed threat of Turkish landings. Britain appealed to the UN Security Council, and on March 4, 1964, the UN approved a resolution to establish an international peace-keeping force for duty in Cyprus. Contingents from Canada, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, and Sweden joined the British soldiers already in place; together they made up the 6,500-member United Nations Peace-keeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP), which was still present on the island, though at much reduced strength, a quarter of a century later (see United Nations Peace-keeping Force in Cyprus , this ch.).

In June 1964, the National Guard was formed by the Greek Cypriot government, which also instituted male conscription. The National Guard absorbed the various private armies into a single national military force loyal to the government and served as a deterrent to a Turkish invasion. Greek Army soldiers were clandestinely transferred to the guard on a large scale; by midsummer the National Guard consisted of an estimated 24,000 officers and men, about half from the Greek Army. Grivas, thought to be the only man who could enforce discipline over the disparate armed Greek Cypriot factions, returned from Athens to command the National Guard.

Meanwhile, the Turkish Cypriot community, in its newly created enclaves, organized militarily under the TMT, supported by conscription of Turkish Cypriot youths. Turkish Army troops trained the Turkish Cypriot forces, totaling an estimated 10,000 fighters, and directed the defense of the enclaves. Outbreaks of fighting continued, although the presence of UNFICYP prevented them from erupting into major hostilities. In August 1964, the National Guard carried out a coordinated sea and land assault against Kokkina on the northwest coast, in an effort to cut off the major Turkish Cypriot supply line to the mainland. Heavy attacks by Turkish jet fighter-bombers, operating beyond the range of the Greek Air Force, halted the Greek Cypriot offensive. Several years of peace followed, while the two communities improved their military readiness.

In November 1967, units of the National Guard, at the instigation of Grivas, launched a massive artillery assault on two Turkish Cypriot villages following a dispute over police patrols. The crisis was defused when United States mediation brought an agreement that endured for the next seven years: all foreign troops in excess of those permitted by the Treaty of Alliance were to be removed from Cyprus, and the National Guard was to be dismantled in exchange for an immediate Turkish demobilization. Grivas was recalled to Athens, along with about 10,000 of the Greek troops assigned to the National Guard. The National Guard, however, was not dissolved.

Data as of January 1991


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[Piratis]

After????

In 1974 it was after the invasion had started.

The intercommunal conflict was over by 1968. Extremists of both sides were responsible for the crimes during that conflict and about an equal number of GCs and TCs was killed, some 100s from each side.


Then in 1974 after the invasion had started and 1000s of GCs were killed and many more driven out of their homes, a couple of TC villages were attacked by paramilitaries. So nobody denies that some 100s of TCs were massacred in those villages in 1974, but you can not deny either that those actions happened after the Turkish invasion had started and 1000s of Greek Cypriots were massacred.