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[BirKibrisli]

It is such a pity that GCs have seen fit to elect Papadopoulos as the official Cyprus president at this crucial time for Cyprus...I have said in the past that I think there is a very good case to bring a charge of treason against Tpapa for his role in undermining the Republic of Cyprus Constitution in 1963/64...He was a minister at the time sworn to upheld the Cyprus Constitution,and he was actively working to abolish it behind scenes...That is treason in anybody's language...

[Get Real!]

Bir, if you must bring up treason then you might want to start with the TC community which sided with the British against the GC struggle for independence during 1955..59. That is treason of the highest order so don't start me up...

[observer]

Get Real!

Bir, if you must bring up treason then you might want to start with the TC community which sided with the British against the GC struggle for independence during 1955..59. That is treason of the highest order so don't start me up...

I've long thought it shameful that the GC political leadership have, for their own short-term political gain, rechristened the EOKA fighters as "fighters for independence". They were not, they were fighters for enosis, union with Greece. I think they were wrong headed, but many fought and died bravely for a cause that they believed in and would spit on the current GC leadership for using their names to support something that they would have fought against.

[Get Real!]

Get Real!

Bir, if you must bring up treason then you might want to start with the TC community which sided with the British against the GC struggle for independence during 1955..59. That is treason of the highest order so don't start me up...

I've long thought it shameful that the GC political leadership have, for their own short-term political gain, rechristened the EOKA fighters as "fighters for independence". They were not, they were fighters for enosis, union with Greece. I think they were wrong headed, but many fought and died bravely for a cause that they believed in and would spit on the current GC leadership for using their names to support something that they would have fought against.

I cannot for the life of me understand why so many of you have so much difficulty differentiating between:

1955-59 - EOKA "A" - Struggle for independence from British colonization.

1971-74 - EOKA "B" - Struggle for union with Greece (ENOSIS).

How many times must we repeat this?

[iceman]

I cannot for the life of me understand why so many of you have so much difficulty differentiating between:

1955-59 - EOKA "A" - Struggle for independence from British colonization.

1971-74 - EOKA "B" - Struggle for union with Greece (ENOSIS).

How many times must we repeat this?

Are you saying your dream of union with Greece (ENOSIS) is as young as 1971?

[observer]

Get Real

I cannot for the life of me understand why so many of you have so much difficulty differentiating between:

1955-59 - EOKA "A" - Struggle for independence from British colonization.

1971-74 - EOKA "B" - Struggle for union with Greece (ENOSIS).

How many times must we repeat this?

You can not have been in Cyprus in the 1950s or know much about the events that really happened. EOKA (who never called themselves EOKA "A") fought for union with Greece, Greek flags fluttered in every village, enosis was painted everywhere, and every public statement that Makarios and Grivas made was about enosis. I even recall it being written about quite widely in the newspapers.

If GC history books, from where I assume you got your information, say that the EOKA fighters were fighting for anything other than enosis then they are telling lies as any cursory reading of newspapers and speeches of the time will tell you. If this is a typical GC understanding of their history on such a basic point then no wonder we can agree on so little.

[Get Real!]

I cannot for the life of me understand why so many of you have so much difficulty differentiating between:

1955-59 - EOKA "A" - Struggle for independence from British colonization.

1971-74 - EOKA "B" - Struggle for union with Greece (ENOSIS).

How many times must we repeat this?

Are you saying your dream of union with Greece (ENOSIS) is as young as 1971?

For starters it was never MY dream. EOKA "B" officially begins with Griva's last arrival in Cyprus I think sometime in 1971 and he just croaked about a year later... of course that didn't stop the organization from continuing and eventually overthrowing Makarios in 74.

As for when and who had the first unofficial ENOSIS nostalgia we'll never know although demonstrations in the early 30's is probably the first "recorded" case towards that.

[Get Real!]

Get Real

I cannot for the life of me understand why so many of you have so much difficulty differentiating between:

1955-59 - EOKA "A" - Struggle for independence from British colonization.

1971-74 - EOKA "B" - Struggle for union with Greece (ENOSIS).

How many times must we repeat this?

You can not have been in Cyprus in the 1950s or know much about the events that really happened. EOKA (who never called themselves EOKA "A") fought for union with Greece, Greek flags fluttered in every village, enosis was painted everywhere, and every public statement that Makarios and Grivas made was about enosis. I even recall it being written about quite widely in the newspapers.

If GC history books, from where I assume you got your information, say that the EOKA fighters were fighting for anything other than enosis then they are telling lies as any cursory reading of newspapers and speeches of the time will tell you. If this is a typical GC understanding of their history on such a basic point then no wonder we can agree on so little.

Who was Cyprus annexed to from 1923 to 1960? Britain!

Who was in charge of Cyprus during those years? Britain!

Who called the shots in Cyprus during those years? Britain!

Whose government was installed during those years? Britain's!

Whom did Cyprus have to attain independence from? Britain!

Whom did EOKA have to fight to attain independence for Cyprus?

BRITAIN!

Thank you.

[observer]

Get Real - or should I say Get The Point

Much of what you say is true except that the GC community of the time wanted enosis (there was a referendum organized by the Orthodox Church in 1958/9 where %99 of GCs voted for enosis) and all of the EOKA fighters were fighting for enosis, not independence. A compromise was reached that resulted in TCs and GCs sharing power which the GCs immediately started undermining.

Enough - read original documents. Why should I teach a GC his own history.

[Get Real!]

Get Real - or should I say Get The Point

Much of what you say is true except that the GC community of the time wanted enosis (there was a referendum organized by the Orthodox Church in 1958/9 where %99 of GCs voted for enosis) and all of the EOKA fighters were fighting for enosis, not independence. A compromise was reached that resulted in TCs and GCs sharing power which the GCs immediately started undermining.

Enough - read original documents. Why should I teach a GC his own history.

If I had a dollar everytime someone offered to teach me I'd be a very rich man...

1. The referendum you refer to actually took place in 1950 and the result was in fact 96% in favor.

2. The "compromise" you refer to is probably the 1960 agreements that would've NEVER taken place had EOKA not forced the British to give up control of the entire island and "offer" independence.

3. As for who undermined the 1960 agreements let's hear it from the expert... the Secretary-General of the United Nations in 1965:

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots" (S/6426).

There is NOTHING you can teach this particular GC... I assure you.