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[zan]

A friends of mine gave me a book to read. Its a novel about a couple and the story goes through from 1945 to 1980 in Cyprus and Australia...She finished it in 1 day...I have it for a week and I love it but I am slow because every 2-3 pages I have to stop and wipe my tears. She is Greek and she knows the history and stuff but she never live close....I born and grow up there, in Cyprus, I have family members in Australia...and the book is great but the pain inside even if I havent been through all of them really hurts.

What is the name of that book,please Lena? And who wrote it?
I'd very much like to get my hands on a copy.I hope it is available here in Australia....Thanks.

Ps...What Zan and Shah fail to take into account is this:When it comes to matters relating to recognition and sanctions etc everything is political.Nothing is allowed to get in the way of playing the political game.You can't have "No recognition" policy,and have an exception when it comes to "humanitarian issues"...Like you can't be a little bit pregnant!

And every time you show great understanding and sympathy for why the GCs do what they do but cannot afford the same for your TC cousins.

36 Countries said boll**ks to their political fantasies and maybe even are thinking of saying the same to more of their policies. We can only wait and see. Time is running out for them unless they see that there are people that are listening to the truth and the lies they have been spreading is wearing thin. I am sure that you will keep right on helping them though.

[BirKibrisli]

Thank you birtanem!

you are most welcome,cigerparem!..

[BirKibrisli]

And sorry about OZ...It's short/slang for Australia

And there's me thinking you were talking about the land of Oz Bir, you know where the great wizard lives, and where there's a long yellow brick road..

Although I wonder why they call Australia Oz? Unless it literally is the Land of Oz with a freakishly long yellow brick road, Wicked witches and a lost girl walking around with a dog, a Tin Man, a scarecrow and a lion that has defied evolution and walks on his hind legs?? Because if that’s the case I’m booking a ticket to Australia right now!

(I think I'm still stuck in Wizard of Oz Mode when it comes to this forum...I have Kikapu to thank for that I believe.. )

Australia is the land where a great Wizard lives,and has a long yellow brick road...Let me know when you are coming,Natty,I'll pick you up from the airport. Together with the scarecrow,the lion and the Tin man...

[BirKibrisli]

A friends of mine gave me a book to read. Its a novel about a couple and the story goes through from 1945 to 1980 in Cyprus and Australia...She finished it in 1 day...I have it for a week and I love it but I am slow because every 2-3 pages I have to stop and wipe my tears. She is Greek and she knows the history and stuff but she never live close....I born and grow up there, in Cyprus, I have family members in Australia...and the book is great but the pain inside even if I havent been through all of them really hurts.

What is the name of that book,please Lena? And who wrote it?
I'd very much like to get my hands on a copy.I hope it is available here in Australia....Thanks.

Ps...What Zan and Shah fail to take into account is this:When it comes to matters relating to recognition and sanctions etc everything is political.Nothing is allowed to get in the way of playing the political game.You can't have "No recognition" policy,and have an exception when it comes to "humanitarian issues"...Like you can't be a little bit pregnant!

And every time you show great understanding and sympathy for why the GCs do what they do but cannot afford the same for your TC cousins.

36 Countries said boll**ks to their political fantasies and maybe even are thinking of saying the same to more of their policies. We can only wait and see. Time is running out for them unless they see that there are people that are listening to the truth and the lies they have been spreading is wearing thin. I am sure that you will keep right on helping them though.

No amount of sympathy on my part towards my TC cousins and their policies will help solve Cyprob,dear Zan...The problem will be solved when the majority of TCs think like I do and empathise with their GC brothers and sisters,and when the majority of GCs think like Bananiot and emphasise with their TC brothers and sisters...Think about it,and do not make the mistake of putting all your eggs in the 36 or more foreign countries' basket...We'll never make an omlette that way...

[miltiades]

A friends of mine gave me a book to read. Its a novel about a couple and the story goes through from 1945 to 1980 in Cyprus and Australia...She finished it in 1 day...I have it for a week and I love it but I am slow because every 2-3 pages I have to stop and wipe my tears. She is Greek and she knows the history and stuff but she never live close....I born and grow up there, in Cyprus, I have family members in Australia...and the book is great but the pain inside even if I havent been through all of them really hurts.

What is the name of that book,please Lena? And who wrote it?
I'd very much like to get my hands on a copy.I hope it is available here in Australia....Thanks.

Ps...What Zan and Shah fail to take into account is this:When it comes to matters relating to recognition and sanctions etc everything is political.Nothing is allowed to get in the way of playing the political game.You can't have "No recognition" policy,and have an exception when it comes to "humanitarian issues"...Like you can't be a little bit pregnant!

And every time you show great understanding and sympathy for why the GCs do what they do but cannot afford the same for your TC cousins.

36 Countries said boll**ks to their political fantasies and maybe even are thinking of saying the same to more of their policies. We can only wait and see. Time is running out for them unless they see that there are people that are listening to the truth and the lies they have been spreading is wearing thin. I am sure that you will keep right on helping them though.

No amount of sympathy on my part towards my TC cousins and their policies will help solve Cyprob,dear Zan...The problem will be solved when the majority of TCs think like I do and empathise with their GC brothers and sisters,and when the majority of GCs think like Bananiot and emphasise with their TC brothers and sisters...Think about it,and do not make the mistake of putting all your eggs in the 36 or more foreign countries' basket...We'll never make an omlette that way...

Zan you should listen to what Bir says , he just as much a T/C as you are only he is more Cypriot than you . If all Cypriots shared the views of Bir and of many of us then we could look forward to a bright future for our new generation of Cypriots.

[zan]

A friends of mine gave me a book to read. Its a novel about a couple and the story goes through from 1945 to 1980 in Cyprus and Australia...She finished it in 1 day...I have it for a week and I love it but I am slow because every 2-3 pages I have to stop and wipe my tears. She is Greek and she knows the history and stuff but she never live close....I born and grow up there, in Cyprus, I have family members in Australia...and the book is great but the pain inside even if I havent been through all of them really hurts.

What is the name of that book,please Lena? And who wrote it?
I'd very much like to get my hands on a copy.I hope it is available here in Australia....Thanks.

Ps...What Zan and Shah fail to take into account is this:When it comes to matters relating to recognition and sanctions etc everything is political.Nothing is allowed to get in the way of playing the political game.You can't have "No recognition" policy,and have an exception when it comes to "humanitarian issues"...Like you can't be a little bit pregnant!

And every time you show great understanding and sympathy for why the GCs do what they do but cannot afford the same for your TC cousins.

36 Countries said boll**ks to their political fantasies and maybe even are thinking of saying the same to more of their policies. We can only wait and see. Time is running out for them unless they see that there are people that are listening to the truth and the lies they have been spreading is wearing thin. I am sure that you will keep right on helping them though.

No amount of sympathy on my part towards my TC cousins and their policies will help solve Cyprob,dear Zan...The problem will be solved when the majority of TCs think like I do and empathise with their GC brothers and sisters,and when the majority of GCs think like Bananiot and emphasise with their TC brothers and sisters...Think about it,and do not make the mistake of putting all your eggs in the 36 or more foreign countries' basket...We'll never make an omlette that way...

And @ Miltiades

I do listen to what Bir says and I appreciate that that is the way the problem of unification will be solved but the question is, is it possible. Bannaniot is much more a realist than Bir can ever be. I see him attack both sides in a more balanced way not the way you do it Bir. You see the RoC as the perfect place for us when it clearly is not and your comments are always for the RoC and never for the TRNC/KKTC. You have made a few generous concessions to our suffering and corrected the way the lies have been banded around by GCs but the only anger you show is to us. You talk to the others as friends and us your enemy. Well don't be surprised when that anger is reciprocated and you are treated as an enemy of the Turkish Cypriot people. The wrongs and the faults of the illegal RoC are there for all to see and you do nothing to correct that so how on earth do you think that your inaction is going to change the minds of the TCs to think like you in order to achieve the unity that you oh so desire.

[BirKibrisli]

I do listen to what Bir says and I appreciate that that is the way the problem of unification will be solved but the question is, is it possible. Bannaniot is much more a realist than Bir can ever be. I see him attack both sides in a more balanced way not the way you do it Bir. You see the RoC as the perfect place for us when it clearly is not and your comments are always for the RoC and never for the TRNC/KKTC. You have made a few generous concessions to our suffering and corrected the way the lies have been banded around by GCs but the only anger you show is to us. You talk to the others as friends and us your enemy. Well don't be surprised when that anger is reciprocated and you are treated as an enemy of the Turkish Cypriot people. The wrongs and the faults of the illegal RoC are there for all to see and you do nothing to correct that so how on earth do you think that your inaction is going to change the minds of the TCs to think like you in order to achieve the unity that you oh so desire.

I think I am more of a realist than you give me credit for,Zan...
I never said "the ROC is the perfect place for us".Don't spend time looking for it,you won't find it anywhere. I am probably the only person on this forum (the other probability is Bananiot,but I haven't read everything he has written) who thinks Papadopoulos can fairly and legally be accused of an act of treason against Cyprus,for his activities pro Enosis between 1960-63.How can I think RoC is the perfect place for TCs with him as President?

And I cannot recall many places where I showed anger towards the TCs.
I have shown anger towards Turkey (for turning an internationally legal intervention in 74 into an illegal occupation,and making it worse by illegally transporting more than one hundred thousand settlers and hence taking away what little political power or say the TC community had in Cyprus).And I have shown anger towards the TMT for turning into a terrorist organisation often targetting the TC community,and perhaps some anger towards the war profiteers who turned other peeople's misery into profit for themselves,but I am not angry towards the TC community overall,for the same reason that I am not angry towards the overall GC community: Both communities are the victims in this bloody conflict,the only winners are the foreign powers who still hold us all captive to their heinous interests...

Having lived 18 years in Cyprus,during her most troubled times,and nearly 39 years in exile in Australia,and having had the opportunity to work with mainland Turks,visit Turkey often,and marry a Turkish lady,I have come to the conclusion that we are much more like the GCs than our Turkish cousins.The Turks are our cousins perhaps,but the GCs are our brothers and sisters,our own flesh and blood,the people whose gene pool we share. And having considered everything I have also come to the conclusion that there is only one sure and logical way to achieve a just and lasting solution to Cyprob:by shedding our unthinking nationalism,chauvinism,and all sorts of prejudices,and embracing each other as Cypriots in a unitary democratic state of Cyprus..and sod the rest.I am not saying it is easy,and both sides have to come to the party,and it will take more years than I would like to think about,but the alternative is an endless cold war followed by hot conflict and more pain and suffering for our people,the Cypriots...If you want to hang me and quarter me for these beliefs,please be my guest.But all I am doing is doing my little part in the process of building understanding and respect and eventual reconciliation (I hope).You can't get people to understand you,respect you and perhaps empathise with you,Zan, if you spit in their face...

[zan]

I do listen to what Bir says and I appreciate that that is the way the problem of unification will be solved but the question is, is it possible. Bannaniot is much more a realist than Bir can ever be. I see him attack both sides in a more balanced way not the way you do it Bir. You see the RoC as the perfect place for us when it clearly is not and your comments are always for the RoC and never for the TRNC/KKTC. You have made a few generous concessions to our suffering and corrected the way the lies have been banded around by GCs but the only anger you show is to us. You talk to the others as friends and us your enemy. Well don't be surprised when that anger is reciprocated and you are treated as an enemy of the Turkish Cypriot people. The wrongs and the faults of the illegal RoC are there for all to see and you do nothing to correct that so how on earth do you think that your inaction is going to change the minds of the TCs to think like you in order to achieve the unity that you oh so desire.

I think I am more of a realist than you give me credit for,Zan...
I never said "the ROC is the perfect place for us".Don't spend time looking for it,you won't find it anywhere. I am probably the only person on this forum (the other probability is Bananiot,but I haven't read everything he has written) who thinks Papadopoulos can fairly and legally be accused of an act of treason against Cyprus,for his activities pro Enosis between 1960-63.How can I think RoC is the perfect place for TCs with him as President?

And I cannot recall many places where I showed anger towards the TCs.
I have shown anger towards Turkey (for turning an internationally legal intervention in 74 into an illegal occupation,and making it worse by illegally transporting more than one hundred thousand settlers and hence taking away what little political power or say the TC community had in Cyprus).And I have shown anger towards the TMT for turning into a terrorist organisation often targetting the TC community,and perhaps some anger towards the war profiteers who turned other peeople's misery into profit for themselves,but I am not angry towards the TC community overall,for the same reason that I am not angry towards the overall GC community: Both communities are the victims in this bloody conflict,the only winners are the foreign powers who still hold us all captive to their heinous interests...

Having lived 18 years in Cyprus,during her most troubled times,and nearly 39 years in exile in Australia,and having had the opportunity to work with mainland Turks,visit Turkey often,and marry a Turkish lady,I have come to the conclusion that we are much more like the GCs than our Turkish cousins.The Turks are our cousins perhaps,but the GCs are our brothers and sisters,our own flesh and blood,the people whose gene pool we share. And having considered everything I have also come to the conclusion that there is only one sure and logical way to achieve a just and lasting solution to Cyprob:by shedding our unthinking nationalism,chauvinism,and all sorts of prejudices,and embracing each other as Cypriots in a unitary democratic state of Cyprus..and sod the rest.I am not saying it is easy,and both sides have to come to the party,and it will take more years than I would like to think about,but the alternative is an endless cold war followed by hot conflict and more pain and suffering for our people,the Cypriots...If you want to hang me and quarter me for these beliefs,please be my guest.But all I am doing is doing my little part in the process of building understanding and respect and eventual reconciliation (I hope).You can't get people to understand you,respect you and perhaps empathise with you,Zan, if you spit in their face...

Turning the other cheek has not moved us any nearer your goals either Bir. As conclusions go, I have come to the conclusion that those GCs that hold no animosity against me do not need the other cheek, whilst those that are constantly slapping me in the face need sterner actions to get them to stop doing it.

The point I was trying to make about your posts is that you very generously gave the GCs the excuse they need and called their actions political but all the actions that you quote above from the Turkish side are not. Why is that?

[BirKibrisli]

I do listen to what Bir says and I appreciate that that is the way the problem of unification will be solved but the question is, is it possible. Bannaniot is much more a realist than Bir can ever be. I see him attack both sides in a more balanced way not the way you do it Bir. You see the RoC as the perfect place for us when it clearly is not and your comments are always for the RoC and never for the TRNC/KKTC. You have made a few generous concessions to our suffering and corrected the way the lies have been banded around by GCs but the only anger you show is to us. You talk to the others as friends and us your enemy. Well don't be surprised when that anger is reciprocated and you are treated as an enemy of the Turkish Cypriot people. The wrongs and the faults of the illegal RoC are there for all to see and you do nothing to correct that so how on earth do you think that your inaction is going to change the minds of the TCs to think like you in order to achieve the unity that you oh so desire.

I think I am more of a realist than you give me credit for,Zan...
I never said "the ROC is the perfect place for us".Don't spend time looking for it,you won't find it anywhere. I am probably the only person on this forum (the other probability is Bananiot,but I haven't read everything he has written) who thinks Papadopoulos can fairly and legally be accused of an act of treason against Cyprus,for his activities pro Enosis between 1960-63.How can I think RoC is the perfect place for TCs with him as President?

And I cannot recall many places where I showed anger towards the TCs.
I have shown anger towards Turkey (for turning an internationally legal intervention in 74 into an illegal occupation,and making it worse by illegally transporting more than one hundred thousand settlers and hence taking away what little political power or say the TC community had in Cyprus).And I have shown anger towards the TMT for turning into a terrorist organisation often targetting the TC community,and perhaps some anger towards the war profiteers who turned other peeople's misery into profit for themselves,but I am not angry towards the TC community overall,for the same reason that I am not angry towards the overall GC community: Both communities are the victims in this bloody conflict,the only winners are the foreign powers who still hold us all captive to their heinous interests...

Having lived 18 years in Cyprus,during her most troubled times,and nearly 39 years in exile in Australia,and having had the opportunity to work with mainland Turks,visit Turkey often,and marry a Turkish lady,I have come to the conclusion that we are much more like the GCs than our Turkish cousins.The Turks are our cousins perhaps,but the GCs are our brothers and sisters,our own flesh and blood,the people whose gene pool we share. And having considered everything I have also come to the conclusion that there is only one sure and logical way to achieve a just and lasting solution to Cyprob:by shedding our unthinking nationalism,chauvinism,and all sorts of prejudices,and embracing each other as Cypriots in a unitary democratic state of Cyprus..and sod the rest.I am not saying it is easy,and both sides have to come to the party,and it will take more years than I would like to think about,but the alternative is an endless cold war followed by hot conflict and more pain and suffering for our people,the Cypriots...If you want to hang me and quarter me for these beliefs,please be my guest.But all I am doing is doing my little part in the process of building understanding and respect and eventual reconciliation (I hope).You can't get people to understand you,respect you and perhaps empathise with you,Zan, if you spit in their face...

Turning the other cheek has not moved us any nearer your goals either Bir. As conclusions go, I have come to the conclusion that those GCs that hold no animosity against me do not need the other cheek, whilst those that are constantly slapping me in the face need sterner actions to get them to stop doing it.

The point I was trying to make about your posts is that you very generously gave the GCs the excuse they need and called their actions political but all the actions that you quote above from the Turkish side are not. Why is that?

Our difference is that you don't make a distinction between acts by Turkey and acts by TCs.Notice that I didn't say acts by the TRNC,because very little is decided by politicians in the North.Most decisions are taken in Ankara.If you deny this,well you are in denial and you should be the last person to accuse me of not facing reality.I lament the Turkification of the TCs while you applaud it.I think it is criminal to subjugate a whole community and assimilate them the way Turkey is doing to TCs.I have always been on the side of the underdog...and Cypriots are the underdogs in this fight.You have chosen to throw your support behind those who want to enslave you and look down on you and consider you second rate Turks.I have chosen to throw my support behind the forces of hope and reconciliation. I refuse to subscribe to the politics of fear and intimidation.The politics of blind nationalism and unthinking Turkish chauvinism. And I believe we can only be truly liberated as Cypriots.United we stand,divided,well,divided both communities will disappear eventually in a big ocean of global power interests...I have seen the light,Zan...You and most TCs are fumbling around in your dark corners afraid of your own shadows.I refuse to die every day.I want to live freely as a Cypriot with my head high in my own country one day.Not exist as second rate citizens in the shadows of guns,tanks and soldiers...

[Get Real!]

Bir, do you speak Greek at all?