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[Nikephoros]

Miltiades, you are 100 percent 100 proof ignorant. What you say is conjecture and not fact.

The probability of Turkish Cypriots being open and proud traitors to the Cyprus Republic is so high that you have to individually name and state the few that did not actively participate in the mass Turkish Cypriot treason against the Cyprus government. So to change anything to better suit these Turkish Cypriots is just nonsense.

[askimwos]

Nikiforos and Co, Cyprus is an independent country and is oximoron to have the same national anthem as Greece. The only weapon left in the armoury of the Cypriot people is the worldwide recognition of the RoC. The fact is that the use of the Greek national anthem just offers another argument to the Turkish side and to all those that may support their views for whatever reasons.

Some time ago while visiting the little Europe park in Brussels with some European friends (French, Italians, Swedish, British, etc) I had to spend more than an hour trying to explain why the RoC national anthem was the same one to that of Greece. Believe me, no matter how hard I have tried to explain that Cyprus never had the chance to select a national anthem the message could not get through. In my own opinion, such a message cannot get through to an outsider. Try expaining this to any European, the answer you will get is simply "It surely cannot be that difficult to choose/compose a Cypriot national anthem that will reflect the multicultural identity of Cyprus". And tell you what, they are right. The RoC national anthem as it stands now causes a lot of problems to the RoC and solves nothing.

So to the people that are quick to label those that ask for a unique Cypriot national anthem, even a transitional one, as traitors or "non-patriotic", I say what is more "patriotic", strengthening the international status of the RoC by removing something that is controversial and oximoron or by remaining barrigated in the 1960 and 1970's policies?

Same thing goes for Tpap. I understand that he is both the RoC president and the GC community leader. Wouldn't it be wiser to seperate the two? Why not appointing another person to act as the GC community leader and leave Tpap concentrate on what he was elected for - being the president of the RoC. There are some practicality problems don't you think? It is not easy to clarify every time which of the two statuses one uses during a speech or public statement.

[zan]

Nikiforos and Co, Cyprus is an independent country and is oximoron to have the same national anthem as Greece. The only weapon left in the armoury of the Cypriot people is the worldwide recognition of the RoC. The fact is that the use of the Greek national anthem just offers another argument to the Turkish side and to all those that may support their views for whatever reasons.

Some time ago while visiting the little Europe park in Brussels with some European friends (French, Italians, Swedish, British, etc) I had to spend more than an hour trying to explain why the RoC national anthem was the same one to that of Greece. Believe me, no matter how hard I have tried to explain that Cyprus never had the chance to select a national anthem the message could not get through. In my own opinion, such a message cannot get through to an outsider. Try expaining this to any European, the answer you will get is simply "It surely cannot be that difficult to choose/compose a Cypriot national anthem that will reflect the multicultural identity of Cyprus". And tell you what, they are right. The RoC national anthem as it stands now causes a lot of problems to the RoC and solves nothing.

So to the people that are quick to label those that ask for a unique Cypriot national anthem, even a transitional one, as traitors or "non-patriotic", I say what is more "patriotic", strengthening the international status of the RoC by removing something that is controversial and oximoron or by remaining barrigated in the 1960 and 1970's policies?

Same thing goes for Tpap. I understand that he is both the RoC president and the GC community leader. Wouldn't it be wiser to seperate the two? Why not appointing another person to act as the GC community leader and leave Tpap concentrate on what he was elected for - being the president of the RoC. There are some practicality problems don't you think? It is not easy to clarify every time which of the two statuses one uses during a speech or public statement.

Like it.

[miltiades]

Miltiades, you are 100 percent 100 proof ignorant. What you say is conjecture and not fact.

The probability of Turkish Cypriots being open and proud traitors to the Cyprus Republic is so high that you have to individually name and state the few that did not actively participate in the mass Turkish Cypriot treason against the Cyprus government. So to change anything to better suit these Turkish Cypriots is just nonsense.

Which part of my post did you interpret as supposition . Was it perhaps the FACT that Greece orchestrated and executed the military coup in Cyprus and in the process gave Turkey the green light to invade ? The T/Cs were treated as second class citizens through out the 60s . FACT. The T/Cs want nothing to do with The RoC because dick heads like you consider Cyprus to be totally Greek and retain all the paraphernalia that spells out the message to the wider world that Cyprus is Greek. Well the future Cypriots will put the blame entirely on the shoulders of the likes of you .The stark choice staring us in the face is simple. You either accept in words , as well as actions that Cyprus is an independent nation with its own identity , national anthem , national flag representing all communities , or you let Turkey , not that you can stop her , annexe Cyprus. Make up your mind . Will you accept Southern Cyprus under the influence of Greece or will you put into place deeds that will unite Cyprus as one nation made up of Cypriots , some G/Cs , T/Cs Armenians , British etc etc. We have to send the correct message to the international community that as we claim to be the sole legal entity in Cyprus then we must represent all of our people , we must not our selves be seen to be acting in a partitionist fashion.

[Nikephoros]

WTF are you babbling about.

The mainland Greeks as individuals did certainly not ever massively betray the Cyprus Republic. But just about every T/C who you NeoCypriot fools are concocting a fake history to accomodate did. Anything else is bs.

[zan]

[miltiades]

Then you have not met any T/Cs , your knowledge of them is limited to what the schools , churches , history books taught you. I have met hundreds and the moment they realize , just as you do , that they are sincere and share your concerns and dreams , suddenly those preconceived notions tend to evaporate. As you are a relatively new member may I just inform you that I opposed the Anan Plan , I supported EOKA in the 50s , I participated as a young teenager in the numerous pro Enosis demonstrations , and I have never hated the T/Cs not even Denktash . I believe that the only viable and long lasting solution to our problems is to embrace the Cypriot identity , get rid of the Greek anthem and the flag ( I do consider my self a Greek Cypriot ) and send a message to the wider community and most importantly the T/C community that we are all one nation of Cypriots. How the hell can we go on pretending that we represent all of the people of Cyprus and yet at the drop of the hat we are hoisting the Greek flag and playing the Palamas masterpiece. Do you think that the only T/C participating as we are told , in the Cyprus Olympic team will be happy and comfortable standing to attention when the Greek anthem is played .It is a a travesty of justice and of common sense. I would not stand to attention in honour of the Turkish anthem why expect a T/C to do so with the Greek anthem.
One more thing , I have said many times that I have not visited the occupied part of Cyprus as a matter of principle, have also stated that in order to meet a friend I will put my principles aside and make the trip , IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I RECOGNISE THE "TRNC" but it means that to achieve the utmost at times is required of you to show flexibility and good will intentions , let us hope our politicians exercise a little diplomacy.

Just in case you are wondering if reciprocation would be forthcoming from the T/Cs I think it will .