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[Murataga]

@Piratis-

So it is universal minus the whole world. Something like that?

What I support for Cyprus is no different that what it exists in all other democratic countries in the world. I didn't write what the human rights are (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html) and I didn't write what democracy is (http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/w ... hatdm2.htm) and I didn't difine the international laws that say that the only legal state in Cyprus is Republic of Cyprus and that the so called "trnc" is illegal.

So stop hiding behind your finger. We know very well who you are and what you support. So don't try to bullshit us that there is a human rights version that can allow you to perform ethnic cleansing and occupy our lands. Such things exist only in your twisted mind.

What you support for Cyprus is theft, crime and illegality and means very little to us for you are nothing but a two-faced Turk hater who owns the following statements:

For Turks bloodthirsty barbarians that butchered other nations to steal their lands

Unfortunately the Turks have not improved much since the middle ages

The solution for Cyprus can be either if Turks finally get civilized

The Turks are trying to wipe us out since they set their foot in Cyprus

If Turks were not what they are, and if the only thing that they knew was not killing and stealing the land of others....

What is pathetic is when the Turks, the worst kind of serial killers,,,

The brutality of Turks is well known to everybody in the region

It is not we, the TCs who brought violence and bloodshed to the RoC. We did not embark on a lunatic adventure to secure, not independence for Cyprus, but its subjection to another state. We did not accept the independence agreements in 1960 with the intention of dishonoring them as soon as we could. We did not prepare and try to impose a clandestine plan to overthrow the Republic and to abrogate the treaties on which it was based. We did not attack and try to annihilate by force the other Cypriot people. We did not persecute them for years afterwards with savage inhumanity and heartless repression when they refused to succumb. We did not secretly bring into the island thousands of foreign troops in an attempt to create a fait accompli of its annexation to another State. And, in the end, it was not we who either provoked or launched the bloody coup d`etat in 1974 which compelled Turkey to intervene in Cyprus to stop the bloodshed and protect the Cypriots from a regime of terror headed by a homicidal maniac. If it is a compensation that is being asked from us for securing ourselves in a zone from all this, than the people who have committed these atrocities and illegalities shall be prepared to provide us with one aswell.

Unfortunately, there is a human rights version that allows you to not only get away with all this but also give you trucks load of financial aid and recognition for doing so. So don`t talk to me about your version of the human rights and democracy.

[free_cyprus]

Murataga
you talk a lot of shit you know that what the feck was tmt all about and your chouting about eoka they are both bad as each other soo the bigger picture and stop talking rubbish

[Piratis]

It is not we, the TCs who brought violence and bloodshed to the RoC.

They are. In fact the killed as many GCs as the other way around. Or our blood doesn't count?

We did not embark on a lunatic adventure to secure, not independence for Cyprus, but its subjection to another state.

You did. You butchered 30.000 Greek Cypriots and then kept Cyprus under Ottoman rule for over 3 centuries. Then in 1974 you again colaborated with a foreign country to illegally occupy the north part of our country.

We did not accept the independence agreements in 1960 with the intention of dishonoring them as soon as we could.

You did. At no point you accepted independence. You imported weapons from Turkey as early as 1962 and immitedly started your efforts to destabilize the country in order to achieve your partition aim.

We did not prepare and try to impose a clandestine plan to overthrow the Republic and to abrogate the treaties on which it was based

Not only you planed it, but you have executed your plan as well.

We did not attack and try to annihilate by force the other Cypriot people.

No, just some 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots you butchered but I guess those do not count in the people category for you.

We did not persecute them for years afterwards with savage inhumanity and heartless repression when they refused to succumb.

You did, not for years but for centuries. And every time we tried to revolt you killed 1000s. And then you ethnically cleansed 200.000 people from their homes and you inist on such crimes as we speak.

We did not secretly bring into the island thousands of foreign troops in an attempt to create a fait accompli of its annexation to another State.

Is this guy for real? You brought 10s of thousands of troops in order to partition Cyprus.

And, in the end, it was not we who either provoked or launched the bloody coup d`etat in 1974 which compelled Turkey to intervene in Cyprus to stop the bloodshed and protect the Cypriots from a regime of terror headed by a homicidal maniac. If it is a compensation that is being asked from us for securing ourselves in a zone from all this, than the people who have committed these atrocities and illegalities shall be prepared to provide us with one aswell.

What was bloody was your invasion. you killed 6000 people, not counting the missing. Not a single TC was harmed by the coup until the invasion had started.

Unfortunately, there is a human rights version that allows you to not only get away with all this but also give you trucks load of financial aid and recognition for doing so. So don`t talk to me about your version of the human rights and democracy.

To get away with "all these"? For every Turk we killed you killed 100 GCs. for every year we harmed you, you harmed us for a century. So it is really a case of look who is taking.

And what I said above about the Turks are all true. And you are right, I hate those that illegally occupy my country. Any problem with that?

[Murataga]

You are detached from the realities and stopped making sense. Let me know when you have an arguement (or need some more spanking ).

[zan]

What happened to you is due to your insistence on illegalities. You can't just go and ethnically cleanse 200.000 people and then pretend that everything is fine. What century do you think we live in? The 15th?

If we follow that Piratis logic then what you got is because of your insistance on illegallities of persecution and murder so we can call it a day and get on with our lives in seperate states then. Of course not....What was I thinking. You guys can do nothing wrong.

[humanist]

VP wrote

I do not claim to represent all Cypriots, you do thats the difference.

Sotos VP is right. The RoC is constantly saying that is representative of the whole Island and of Turkish Speaking Cypriots. Therefore we need to act accordingly and the anthem is not. Even I as a greek speaking cypriot find it insulting as I do not identfy as a greek but as a cypriot who speaks greek.

Frankly, I think that if we cannot change the anthem over night then how on earth will we manage to solve the Cyprus issue. That should have been changed before we went to referendum. And as much as i like the Cyprus flag it is time for that to go if it means a solution to the problem.

I also do not know much of papadopoulos' history, but if that is a stumbling block for turkish speaking cypriots in entering discussions for a bb federation and a viable long standing solution then perhaps it is time that Papadopoulos resigned. A resignation may infact show a sacrifice for a united Cyprus. Just a thought.

[Simon]

What is with all this Greek speaking Cypriot bullshit; our links to being Greek are far more than just the language. Yet again short-sighted, narrow minded members believe that the cause of all problems is that we idenitfy as GCs and TCs, when are we going to learn?

The anthem, flag etc are not issues at the moment. What we need now is a viable solution on the table for reunification. In this solution, the anthem, flags etc can be discussed, but it is frankly futile discussing them beforehand. As if TCs really care what anthem we sing at the moment; they have their own anthem and don't see RoC as their country; so how is changing our anthem going to change that? It is not, only a viable solution can do that. Anthems, flags etc are just side issues. The REAL issues are to do with property, settlers, proportional power-sharing, what kind of BBF we are going to have; true Federation, or Annan style Confederation etc? These are the real issues that need resolving, and should come well before worrying about anthems.

Consider this, even if we did change our anthem; we are only going to have to change it again when a solution is agreed upon anyway, as we are with the flag, which was designed by a TC anyway. So what is the point?

By the way, Papadopoulos is our legally elected leader. Why should he resign? If TCs are so concerned, come back to the RoC and vote him out.

[Nikephoros]

of all Cypriots.

Cyprus needs to act quickly for a new national anthem that embraces all Cypriots and to also let go of the notion of Helenism. The Beijing Olympics could be a good timeline. What are holding back Mr Papadopoulos?

Why?

Take a random mainland Greek as a sample. If you trace their family history do you think you will find evidence their individual and specific family has betrayed the Cyprus Republic and Greek Cypriots?

Now take a random Turkish Cypriot. Do you think there is a high probability that they have betrayed the Cyprus Republic starting from the 1960s to enter enclaves? Do you think there is a good chance their family joined one of the traitorous Turkish Cypriot militas that were meant to provide support for a Turkish military invasion?

You leftists and self proclaimed humanists never cease with your merry making and myth making. Myth-mayhem-merry makers!

The Greek anthem should stay, no accomodation for traitors and hypocrites!

[miltiades]

and what will you change if we change the anthem? You will end the occupation? I don't think so!!

I do not claim to represent all Cypriots, you do thats the difference.

You are correct Sir . For the RoC should represent in actions just as it does in words all Cypriots and the Greek national anthem has no place in Cyprus. The T/C athlete would be put in an unattainable position having to participate as a Cypriot and yet having to endure the intensely provocative anthem.

It is time for the people to demand their national anthem , to stop pretending that the RoC is for all Cypriots while the Greek anthem is the order of the day.

[miltiades]

of all Cypriots.

Cyprus needs to act quickly for a new national anthem that embraces all Cypriots and to also let go of the notion of Helenism. The Beijing Olympics could be a good timeline. What are holding back Mr Papadopoulos?

Why?

Take a random mainland Greek as a sample. If you trace their family history do you think you will find evidence their individual and specific family has betrayed the Cyprus Republic and Greek Cypriots?

Now take a random Turkish Cypriot. Do you think there is a high probability that they have betrayed the Cyprus Republic starting from the 1960s to enter enclaves? Do you think there is a good chance their family joined one of the traitorous Turkish Cypriot militas that were meant to provide support for a Turkish military invasion?

You leftists and self proclaimed humanists never cease with your merry making and myth making. Myth-mayhem-merry makers!

The Greek anthem should stay, no accomodation for traitors and hypocrites!

And you are WRONG Sir. Greece is solely responsible for the 1974 catastrophe .The Greeks of Greece will rejoice and celebrate when the Cypriot donkeys as they often refer to us , are no longer connected with them. The Greeks of Greece should have been the ones demanding ENOSIS with Cyprus back in the 50s and not the Cypriots. They have nothing to teach us and we have nothing to gain by hanging on to their foustanelas. The endured years of dictatorship and yet resistance was negligible , they were too busy demonstrating about events in far away insignificant to Greece nations. And before you deride my comments by calling me a leftist and a traitor let me give you some more ammunition. I'm closer to my T/C compatriots than I'm to the Greeks , for they just as we , were the victims of nationalistic indoctrinating brainwashing.
I'm a proud Cypriot Greek , big difference to the Greeks of Greece. The T/C ARE ALSO PROUD TURKISH CYPRIOTS , BIG DIFFERENCE TO THE MAINLAND TURKS.