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[Piratis]

Bananiot, TCs voted yes because the Annan plan gave them the 99% of what they wanted. Greek Cypriots voted no because it legalized partition and the violation of our human rights.

Denctash supported "no" because thats what he was used to do all these years. Ask for more and more and more. I am sure he eats in that way also. He is a super greedy pig. For him the 99% was not enough. For him even if the 100% of his demands are satisfied, he would simply make some more demands.

The Annan plan didn't solve any of the problems of GCs. On the contrary it created more. This plan was not made to solve our problem, it was made to solve the problem of Turkey since Cyprus would be an obstacle to the Turkish EU accesion. Do you really think it was a coincidence they tried to take our rights away just days before we entered the EU?

[Murataga]

Bananiot, TCs voted yes because the Annan plan gave them the 99% of what they wanted. Greek Cypriots voted no because it legalized partition and the violation of our human rights.

A typical comment by this individual: WRONG. TCs voted yes because they thaught their isolation would end. GCs voted no because they new at the time of the voting they were already going to be a member of the EU with or without the TCs. So why give in when you can take more with a stronger hand, i.e. the EU membership? It is as simple as that.

[Piratis]

We'd probably be thinking of ways to go to the UN to condemn Turkey for not honouring her signature and not withdrawing to the agreed levels yet (just like the 8th July signature), only we wouldn't be accepted in the UN because we would be a GC statelet.....the Republic was dissolved a few years ago.

The Annan plan was 9000 pages of useless details. The Annan plan was in fact very simple: Partition.

Since partition is impossible as it stands today, the aim was to create 2 separate loosely associated independent states and a super dysfunctional central goverment with basically no authority. The only relationship between the two states would be the money flowing from south to north. In the end, the GCs having singed away all their rights, and seeing their economy and their lives collapsing, they would have gone themselves and asked for partition.

At the most the Turks would have returned Varoshia. Nothing more. But instead of having a problem of illegal occupation, we would have a problem of territory dispute between two equal states.

Fortunately we were not so stupid to fall in that trap. The Cyprus problem will be solved when the balance of power will change. That could be in 10 or 50 or 100 years.

Anybody that thinks that we can gain anything while we are the weak side he is kidding himself. Any kind of plan created with the current balance of power will be one that will make it better for the Turks and worst for us.

[Piratis]

Bananiot, TCs voted yes because the Annan plan gave them the 99% of what they wanted. Greek Cypriots voted no because it legalized partition and the violation of our human rights.

A typical comment by this individual: WRONG. TCs voted yes because they thaught their isolation would end. GCs voted no because they new at the time of the voting they were already going to be a member of the EU with or without the TCs. So why give in when you can take more with a stronger hand, i.e. the EU membership? It is as simple as that.

Not just their isolation would end, but also most of the occupied areas that they illegally stole from us would be legally their own. Plus they would be from one day to the next members of EU, and they would get tons of money in financial support, not to mention tons of money from the GC taxpayers who would then have to support not only TCs but the Settlers as well.

And what GCs would get? Maybe 7% of the land?

So yes, why give up our human and legal rights to gain more problems than we have already? And why not to use our EU membership to try to gain our rights when you are using a 40.000 occupation force in an effort to force us into capitulation and gain on our loss what is not your right.

[Bananiot]

Okay, suppose the balance of power changes for the worse for the Greek Cypriot side. Should we all move to Albania or somewhere? And what if Turkey takes the Piratis statement for serious, that is, we are waiting on the wings for the balance of power (sic) to change and then attack to liberate our territory? Should Turkey opt for a pre emptive attack, before the balance changes?

Piratis and the rest of the bunch, do you realise that you are asking Turkey for a pre emptive attack? Why should Turkey wait for us to get strong and mighty. She should attack and finish the job right now, according to the Piratis philosophy.

[Piratis]

If the Turks want to invade again it is very easy for them to find some lame excuse to do it. They don't need me for that. However it would be much easier for them to find that excuse if we had accepted the Annan plan that would inevitably cause friction and conflict between the two communities.

[Bananiot]

No it is not easy for Turkey to invade. It has never been easy. Turkey invaded in 1974 under the conditions that existed then. Now, Turkey does not need to invade again. She is already in Cyprus and you voted for 40 000 Turkish troops to remain in Cyprus for ever, along with 180 000 settlers, a number that grows by the day. Now, you are waiting for the balance of power to change in 10, 50, 100 years. In the meantime, you think Turkey will seat and wait for us to throw her out. This is an amazing argument. Is there a party in Cyprus that supports these tactics. Just wondering, can you enlighten us Piratis?

[DT.]

No it is not easy for Turkey to invade. It has never been easy. Turkey invaded in 1974 under the conditions that existed then. Now, Turkey does not need to invade again. She is already in Cyprus and you voted for 40 000 Turkish troops to remain in Cyprus for ever, along with 180 000 settlers, a number that grows by the day. Now, you are waiting for the balance of power to change in 10, 50, 100 years. In the meantime, you think Turkey will seat and wait for us to throw her out. This is an amazing argument. Is there a party in Cyprus that supports these tactics. Just wondering, can you enlighten us Piratis?

I do not believe in the shift of the balance of power theory as such but i do strongly reject the annan plan. I could not find one point in the entire plan where the TC's and Turkey actually gave up in compromise. Why would I vote for something that would make my present life and that of my childrens, worse?

[Kifeas]

Okay, suppose the balance of power changes for the worse for the Greek Cypriot side. Should we all move to Albania or somewhere? And what if Turkey takes the Piratis statement for serious, that is, we are waiting on the wings for the balance of power (sic) to change and then attack to liberate our territory? Should Turkey opt for a pre emptive attack, before the balance changes?

Piratis and the rest of the bunch, do you realise that you are asking Turkey for a pre emptive attack? Why should Turkey wait for us to get strong and mighty. She should attack and finish the job right now, according to the Piratis philosophy.

Yes we do invite Turkey to try for a "pre-emptive" attack!

[zan]

If the Turks want to invade again it is very easy for them to find some lame excuse to do it. They don't need me for that. However it would be much easier for them to find that excuse if we had accepted the Annan plan that would inevitably cause friction and conflict between the two communities.

The only friction would be caused by people like your self that only wants to win in a situation that was caused by many factors in the past. The progress you have made without the so-called interference of the TC community is not enough. We have been held back for nearly half a century while you have put billions into your pockets and you still want more. With the Annan plan more progress would have been made if TPap and the RoC were not promised EU membership without a solution. As Bannaniot said you thought that all your troubles would be over from within this organization but your hands were tied instead. TPap made a massive mistake in not negotiating a better fairer deal if that is what you wanted and is now paying the price. He now tries to solve the problem by getting the refugees off his back by taking all the land that is available, which is mainly TC land and redistributing to these people. His biggest bugbear is the refugees and he has not been able to off load them onto the EU or us. The loss of 200,000 votes has got him pissing his pants because the only options he has left are partition and a loose two-state system. For him partition would easily be the best option but he cannot be seen to go in that direction so we, the TCs will have to bare the burden for his cockups.