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[Bananiot]

Denktash is on the rampage in the north. Together with army officers and his son Serdar, he is plotting the downfall of Talat. An extremist, like Denktash, is bound to use exaggeration in order to advance his thoughts and wishes. Just like our own Denktash. who scared the hell out of Greek Cypriots in order to get his loud "no" and his beloved partition, rather than have the "mongolic Turks" share the country with us.

[Kifeas]

Denktash is on the rampage in the north. Together with army officers and his son Serdar, he is plotting the downfall of Talat. An extremist, like Denktash, is bound to use exaggeration in order to advance his thoughts and wishes. Just like our own Denktash. who scared the hell out of Greek Cypriots in order to get his loud "no" and his beloved partition, rather than have the "mongolic Turks" share the country with us.

Oh ...I see!

Denktash is "an extremist that is bound to the use of exaggerations," and deception I should add. And since you admit the fact of the matter, why isn't it equally an exaggeration and a deceptive remark, his comment that "as long as Papadopoulos is the leader of the Greek Cypriots the Turkish Cypriots have nothing to fear?" Why in the same way that he tries to exaggerate, as you rightfully admit, and deceive the TCs by telling them that the Annan plan would have placed them in the GCs' pocket; he doesn't equally exaggerate and tries to deceive the GCs into electing someone softer, in Papadopoulos place, by saying that "as long as Papadopoulos is the leader of the Greek Cypriots the Turkish Cypriots have nothing to fear?"

Poor Bananiot, so often your arguments are so empty and flat, that only people with very low IQ must be taking you seriously.

[Piratis]

It is therefore no coincidence that the documents submitted by the president’s aide Tasos Tzionis for discussion by the working groups, as envisaged by the July 8 agreement, included 93 chapters, some of which were broken down into sub-chapters as well. The more these chapters – and the more complicated – the more time-consuming will be the negotiations.

But who needs to negotiate they things that are important for Greek Cypriots when we can just accept what the Turks demand and close the Cyprus problem as fast as possible with our capitulation? Right Mr. Charalambous?

Common sense dictates that, because most Turkish Cypriot property is in the south, the issue of properties could only be resolved in an overall settlement. No sensible person could expect the construction of houses in the north to stop until we find the desire to solve the Cyprus problem. The Turkish Cypriots are going to carry on building and using Greek Cypriot properties for as long as the island remains divided.

Common sense dictates that since most TC property is in the south then they shouldn't be occupying our homes and properties in the north illegally (which are twice as much from what they left behind), but they should give back what does not belong to them and take back what is theirs. Thats what common sense dictates, not that they can exploit and keep our lands and properties as hostage and trying to blackmail us to accept legalization of their crimes and illegalities against us.

Your problem is your president.

No surprise that he adopts the latest Turkish excuse. Our problem are the Turks who occupy our lands for the last 33 years, not our president that was elected 4 years ago. As if 5, 10, 15 or 30 years ago we didn't have a problem and the problem appeared only when Papadopoulos was elected.

We have every right to demand our human, legal and democratic rights and we have elected somebody that will do what we want: Fight for our rights. Apparently the Turks and their friends would prefer a Cypriot president that would just sign away our rights. Forget about it Mr. Charalambous.

Our problem is that our 200.000 refugees can not return to their homes and properties and that our country is partly occupied by a foreign army. Until our problem is solved, then be sure that the Cyprus problem will not be closed and our enemies will continue having problems as well. So stop wishing for a quick closure of the Cyprus problem that will solve the problems of the Turks and legalize the violations of our rights. It will simply not happen.

Since the balance of power today favors Turkey it means that a fair solution today can not be found. I know that, Papadopoulos knows that, anybody with common sense knows that.

Papadopoulos knows very well what he is doing. He knows very well that there is absolutely no intention from the Turkish side to accept a solution that will truly unify our island and therefore he acts accordingly.

[humanist]

Piratis, that is a great post. Yes common sense would be for an immediate exchange of property, Turkish speakers claim their land in the south and Greek speakers theirs in the north.

Your point about the Turkish Occupation also very right and correct. Papdopoulos has been in office for only 4 years, who can be blamed for the past 27 years....... ofcourse if you are a Turkish Speaking Cypriot the Greek Cypriots. Some would even say that all Greek Cypriots are barbaric. Not accounting the fact that some of us have left our country because of the unfairness of the current division of our Island.

Your comments about having the right to fight for our human, legal and democratic rights, also very correct adn I support your comment 100%.

Your last comment about Papadopoulos also, knowing that Turkey will not accept a solution based on a UNIFIED Cyprus is uterly correct also.

In the meantime the every day joes on both sides are paying the price and I am temepted to say that it is at their own volition. Because if the two communties united truly in their efforts for a united Cyprus the US,Britain,EU and UN would have to then listen. Perhaps we spent enough time blaming the politicians when we need to infact take more positive and active role in solving the Cyprus Problem. Both communities both peoples. I know it hard thing to do with Greek speaking Cypriots all aspiring to make their next million, forgeting about the Cyprus thing and Turkish speaking Cypriots trying to overcome their poverty, equally forgeting about the Cyprus issue.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis, that is a great post. Yes common sense would be for an immediate exchange of property, Turkish speakers claim their land in the south and Greek speakers theirs in the north.

Your point about the Turkish Occupation also very right and correct. Papdopoulos has been in office for only 4 years, who can be blamed for the past 27 years....... ofcourse if you are a Turkish Speaking Cypriot the Greek Cypriots. Some would even say that all Greek Cypriots are barbaric. Not accounting the fact that some of us have left our country because of the unfairness of the current division of our Island.

Your comments about having the right to fight for our human, legal and democratic rights, also very correct adn I support your comment 100%.

Your last comment about Papadopoulos also, knowing that Turkey will not accept a solution based on a UNIFIED Cyprus is uterly correct also.

In the meantime the every day joes on both sides are paying the price and I am temepted to say that it is at their own volition. Because if the two communties united truly in their efforts for a united Cyprus the US,Britain,EU and UN would have to then listen. Perhaps we spent enough time blaming the politicians when we need to infact take more positive and active role in solving the Cyprus Problem. Both communities both peoples. I know it hard thing to do with Greek speaking Cypriots all aspiring to make their next million, forgeting about the Cyprus thing and Turkish speaking Cypriots trying to overcome their poverty, equally forgeting about the Cyprus issue.

Are you Piratis PR man? he chirps on about equality and hos rights but ask him how he intends to share power with the TCs?

[Piratis]

Are you Piratis PR man? he chirps on about equality and hos rights but ask him how he intends to share power with the TCs?

In the same way that it is shared in all other democratic countries among their citizens (which can be from various ethnic backgrounds).

I am not the one who is trying to blackmail you to accept something that exists nowhere else in the world and would be against your human rights. This is what you are trying to do against us. Actually I have told you to choose from the system of any other EU country, or even Turkey if you want, which has a 20% Kurdish minority (TCs are the 18%). How is power shared between Kurds and Turks in Turkey, if thats acceptable for you then we can have that in Cyprus as well, or choose from what they have in another EU country if you wish.

Also if you prefer the 1960 agreements, no problem either.

What you can not do it force on us something which is against our human and legal rights. We are not asking you to compromise your human, legal or democratic rights, and you shouldn't be demanding that from us either.

[zan]

Piratis, that is a great post. Yes common sense would be for an immediate exchange of property, Turkish speakers claim their land in the south and Greek speakers theirs in the north.

Your point about the Turkish Occupation also very right and correct. Papdopoulos has been in office for only 4 years, who can be blamed for the past 27 years....... ofcourse if you are a Turkish Speaking Cypriot the Greek Cypriots. Some would even say that all Greek Cypriots are barbaric. Not accounting the fact that some of us have left our country because of the unfairness of the current division of our Island.

Your comments about having the right to fight for our human, legal and democratic rights, also very correct adn I support your comment 100%.

Your last comment about Papadopoulos also, knowing that Turkey will not accept a solution based on a UNIFIED Cyprus is uterly correct also.

In the meantime the every day joes on both sides are paying the price and I am temepted to say that it is at their own volition. Because if the two communties united truly in their efforts for a united Cyprus the US,Britain,EU and UN would have to then listen. Perhaps we spent enough time blaming the politicians when we need to infact take more positive and active role in solving the Cyprus Problem. Both communities both peoples. I know it hard thing to do with Greek speaking Cypriots all aspiring to make their next million, forgeting about the Cyprus thing and Turkish speaking Cypriots trying to overcome their poverty, equally forgeting about the Cyprus issue.

Direct action from the public is really an easy thing to do.........VOTE. We voted Denktas out because we thought that he was an obsticle in the way of unification. You voted in.....................an EOKA man that has proved his intransigence over and over again.

[Piratis]

Papadopoulos defends our human and legal rights. Would you accept a solution that will not be against our human and legal rights Zan? Or thats why you want a different president, one that he will be willing to capitulate and legalize the human rights violations against us?

[zan]

Papadopoulos defends our human and legal rights. Would you accept a solution that will not be against our human and legal rights Zan? Or thats why you want a different president, one that he will be willing to capitulate and legalize the human rights violations against us?

Maybe one that will work as a Cypriot rather than a Greek. Is that not something that works for you either?

[Piratis]

Papadopoulos didn't ask for anything that would harm the human or other rights of any Cypriot. As a Cypriot President he oughts to defend the sovereignty of this country and human and legal rights of its people.

By the way, we were not the ones that wanted separate elections you did. Personally I would be more than glad to modify the 1960 constitution and have the Cypriot president elected by all Cypriots as one body. In that way you can come and vote against him. If the TCs don't want him he wouldn't be able to be re-elected since last time he won with just a bit more than 50%, and TCs are the 18%.